Episode 29 - Now on YouTube

Jaime: 0:00

The hosts of Two Bored Apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice. On this week's episode of Two Bored Apes, we talked about the Solana Etherium bridge hack. We talk about larva labs questionable decision making. We talked about the just released artblocks curator project screens, the upcoming one called Parabellum. And we talked about lots of news in the Bored Ape Yatch Club, and then right gives us a good update on where Zen Academy is heading

Intro: 0:32

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Roy: 0:51

Hi, Jamie. Hello. Well,

Jaime: 0:53

Welcome to episode 29.

Roy: 0:55

Thank you.

Jaime: 0:56

Oh, two bored apes. This is interesting.

Roy: 1:02

I got one of them right here.

Jaime: 1:05

Right. I have some in my closet. I thought it might be a little corny if we were both doing it. I got a daredevil hoodie on. Oh, a little bit of my own artwork underneath. But that's okay. We don't we don't need to get into that. This is very strange. I've never done this with a webcam before.

Roy: 1:26

It is strange. I got my coffee. It's gonna put some pepper in it.

Jaime: 1:30

I've got my tea. That's ridiculous. I'm gonna put honey in it because I'm normal.

Roy: 1:34

It's pretty good.

Jaime: 1:36

Stop saying I need you to stop.

Roy: 1:39

You got to mix it in because that I just got a whole super pepper. I can't

Jaime: 1:43

it can't actually be better than coffee without pepper though.

Roy: 1:47

It's, it's, well it depends on the quality of the coffee. So if I'm making like you know proper coffee, grinding the beans doing a pour over and something...

Jaime: 1:56

back tasting cup of coffee, putting some pepper in it

Roy: 1:58

right? If it's coffee, then pepper is a good solution. So I'm actually gonna

Jaime: 2:03

I'm tempted to contradict myself right now. But I couldn't conceive of the concept where if you added the black pepper straight into the grinds, I'm improved through it. Like maybe there we

Roy: 2:13

go. That's what I'm gonna try next.

Jaime: 2:17

Let's talk about the news of week... news of the week. I'm gonna pick my tea bag up and down a little bit right now and then throw it out. So you, you started...

Roy: 2:30

We've got a few things. The first I guess, one of the it's been a bunch of big news, but one of the big things is the the hack that happened on the Solana Ethereum Bridge.

Jaime: 2:39

Yeah, that was huge. Is that the biggest defi hack ever? I don't. I guess I don't really I don't know either though. It's got to be up there for sure. He's got to be. Yeah,

Roy: 2:50

I'm gonna say no, I want to I feel like

Jaime: 2:52

MountGox was just like a sort of a rug rather than a hack, I guess?

Roy: 2:58

I think so. Yeah. There was like an almost hack In December, someone found an exploit in the polygon network. And they basically effectively could have literally drained every single MATIC token, however many they wanted. And that's, you know, several billion dollars, but they got the bug bounty instead.

Jaime: 3:19

There were a white hat.

Roy: 3:20

But yeah, this Solana bridge hack...

Jaime: 3:23

Is this the right concept, right, white hack versus black hack versus grey hack, right.

Roy: 3:26

Yeah. I don't necessarily want a gray hack is but a white hack is

Jaime: 3:30

exactly what you think it is based on what Black is.

Roy: 3:33

Yeah. I mean, so white hacker is a hacker who finds exploits in...

Jaime: 3:37

white hat.

Roy: 3:39

White hat. Yeah. He Yeah. Who finds exploits in in whatever defi protocols or smart contracts

Jaime: 3:49

this existed long before the blockchain, right? Yes. But yeah.

Roy: 3:54

Instead of like, exploiting and taking advantage and getting a whole bunch of money or information datas, or they tell the people involved and get a reward, black hats, the same things that they exploited. And I guess gray hats are the ones we like, say, hey, we found this exploit give us money, or something?

Jaime: 4:13

No, I think that would be generally more like a black hat hacker. I think it's just one where they kind of follow their own moral compass. Like, for instance, what I would consider one maybe would be somebody like what hype did with the me bits thing where he just got the alien one. It's not really like he's not stealing money from people. He's sort of exploiting a stake to get something that one of us is going to get anyway. I don't know. It's just It's somewhere in between, basically. And and one person's gray hat is you know, to another person, that's why Right, right, it's black, but

Roy: 4:52

yeah, um, so that was big. That was like 80,000 ether. I'm pretty sure I think I saw something I was like, Okay. 120,000 ether, right? So much, so much. Yeah, I don't know too much more about it. Aside from that,

Jaime: 5:07

I actually read some pretty good tweet threads about how it worked. That were quite interesting. So basically, as I understand it right now, they didn't steal. So that was on the polygon network. They basically came up with a face.

Roy: 5:30

It was Solana Network...

Jaime: 5:32

Yes. What did I say? Polygon? Oh, yeah, It's Solana, they basically faked the signature that would allow them to mint more of the, you know, wrapped ether on polygon. So they basically tricked it into creating out of thin air, all of this ether, which they would then take across the bridge back over to Real Ethereum, or something, something to that effect.

Roy: 5:57

Yeah. Pretty wild stuff. And just to show you how new and risky all this is, like,

Jaime: 6:04

right, and it was, it was, I mean, as most of this stuff is, it was basically just there was like a little bit of laziness in the, in the code for the bridge, I wish I could remember a little bit better, but basically, the way that they would verify whether or not it was a legitimate signature or not, was using, like, basically just an out of date, patch, or something to that effect. That just allowed them to bypass it. But I'm always so impressed by people that can do this stuff, and and just the thoroughness of their understanding of all this. It's fucking amazing to me,

Roy: 6:43

it's so far beyond our level of understanding. Yeah. Hey, we started off talking about defi. That's something new, I think,

Jaime: 6:51

That's very rare

Roy: 6:53

we start with a random stuff and then get to NFT's. And then there's no defi, but

Jaime: 6:56

we totally ignore defi. But here we are. Yeah.

Roy: 6:59

Um, next thing on the list? I mean, we dealt with that. That seemed like, yeah, yeah,

Jaime: 7:04

there was a, there was a big hack. And then we'll just talk about it for another second. I think it was like $260 million. And the bridge themself offered them 10 million retrospective to like, give it back. Doesn't seem like that's going to work. And then also the bridge said, somehow, they're going to make everything hold by just like adding another 350,000 eth to them. I don't know where that's coming from

Roy: 7:29

doesn't seem reasonable. Yeah. I don't know how that works, either.

Jaime: 7:32

I don't either. But I guess we'll have to wait and see. It's also interesting to conceive of, and I don't pay enough attention, to defi and Solana at all, to know the answer, but like, what was happening with all of the pools and farms and all that stuff over there. Because at that point, they had all of this wrapped ether over there. That was essentially worthless, because the actual ether that was supposed to be backing it, and this is just gone now. So I would assume some people got wrecked, and some people got rich by taking advantage of that. But yeah, maybe everybody kind of just pretended like it was still back. And it didn't change things too much. Yeah, my diner mug.

Roy: 8:14

Oh, yeah. It's a Gilmore Girls reference. I like it. It kind of looks. No, nevermind. Okay. All right. Next on the list. We have Larva Labs. You wrote this list, Larva Labs are douches?

Jaime: 8:28

Yeah, that's what I wrote. But it's just to talk about the v1 versus v2 thing. Now what was the first time you even heard about V1 punks cuz I didn't even realize that such a thing existed until I don't know, two weeks ago or whatever when they started kind of

Roy: 8:44

Oh, yeah, that was about when I heard about it too recently

Jaime: 8:46

and stuff or talking about dumping them and then dumping them I think

Roy: 8:50

I think I'd like vaguely heard about the many months ago because I know that like the punks went on the ERC 721 contract and I had to wrap them right. Yeah,

Jaime: 9:01

but ERC 721 didn't exist when punks came out. No. But so should we tell people what we're even talking about? Because we're being?

Roy: 9:09

Sure, yeah, I just drop my pen. I'm gonna pick it up while

Jaime: 9:12

I'll talk about Alright, so the cryptopunks that we all you talk. know and love or hate or somewhere in between. But the cryptopunks that we know of are actually version two of cryptopunks, because when lava labs made them the first time they deployed the contract to the network. To make cryptopunks. There was some sort of error in the contract. And so they basically just made a version to that fix that exploit and then AirDrop, the v2 punks that we would just think of as punks to all of the v1 holders. And that was basically the end of it. But you know, now sort of this blockchain archaeology thing has become sort of popular, and people kind of dug up the concept of the V1s, throw them in one of these new rappers and then people kind of started using them, trading them, buying them, selling them, whatever and Larva Labs themselves still owned a bunch of them. Yeah. And so when it started, yes, that's where it started getting a little bit dicey. Because what ended up happening is they sold these to the tune of 210 ether. Maybe it was something like that, right? Yeah. But now we're going to try and take legal action to prevent them from being called cryptopunks from being allowed to be traded on opensea, all that good stuff. But then also patted themselves on the back for donating that 210 ether to charity, while also admitting that they definitely should not have done what they did.

Roy: 10:39

Yeah, I think they said, they're going to sell the V1, and then use any money raised to buy V2s in the marketplace. And then they've said right, now that was the initial thing. And then they also added recently, did they're still planning to do that, and they're just gonna donate an additional 210 eth surcharge that

Jaime: 11:00

was from what they had already sold is my understanding the 210 is the procedure is what they've already dumped. Yeah. And that's what they're writing.

Roy: 11:09

No, that's what they using and have been using to buy the cryptopunks. And they're just out of their own pocket adding an additional 210.

Jaime: 11:15

Okay, yeah. And have they spent the 210 on punks yet? The v2 punks?

Roy: 11:19

They bought one punk at 80 or 90 eth and

Jaime: 11:23

tweeted that they have bought one and but it was more just like, Oh, what do they have in mind? It was like maybe it kind of presumption is what I read into the person's tweet that had seen that purchase. But

Roy: 11:35

yeah, it just seems like another misstep mistake, just error on the behalf of Larva Labs in a string of many, many. And it's just sort of like community sentiment seems to be shifting against cryptopunks and Larva Labs.

Jaime: 11:50

Were losing like good collectors. I mean, we talked about 4156 leaving 10 episodes back or something like that. Yeah, I saw another one that people really respect going. I'm trying I'm out, basically.

Roy: 12:02

Yeah, it's the losing a lot of the cool support. And then like one lift von Mises seems to be a very staunch defender. But yeah, we need to get a

Jaime: 12:14

couple more for sure. But it just it feels more and more like it's just purely people with bags of it that are and by the way, this is funny now you just got finally bought your first one. Yeah, a week and a half ago or something and

Roy: 12:28

something like that. Finally, I was like, I'm gonna pull the trigger. I've been on for ages I held off all the while, you know, punks are dropping as we're going up in price. And yeah, you know, and then I, you know, go back six months ago, and I always thought if ever a time comes when apes flip punks, I'm gonna sell one of my three eights and buy a punk. Just it just never felt right. And then, yeah, a couple of weeks ago, it just sort of seemed like punks was picking up momentum again. And I was like, alright, you know, I've got a lot more eth now I can justify buying one I think is good long term investment. There are these rumors floating around that Larva Labs are gonna like relinquish the copyright hold over the punks and give their rights back.

Jaime: 13:09

Less and less like That's true. Or if it if it does happen, it will not be something that they do. You know, out of the kindness of their hearts, it'll be because the market is just fucking demanding it.

Roy: 13:21

Yeah, I think. Yeah, they're really losing support. Yeah, that's, that's the v2 and the v1 punks. They hit a floor of like, 16 eath. Last I checked

Jaime: 13:36

16. Yeah. Oh, wow. I actually had no frame of reference whatsoever for how high they got. But that's higher than I would have assumed.

Roy: 13:45

Yeah, that was 6 eth. Like, a week ago, and then I checked like a couple days off of that, and they're up at 16.

Jaime: 13:50

I wonder what they were like 20 weeks ago, like just was zero basically. Or

Roy: 13:55

do you think they didn't even exist? 20 weeks ago? I think it's a relatively new

Jaime: 13:58

draft before it even was to

Roy: 14:00

that's a fix a patch or bug and then wrap them and then yeah, so it's a relatively new thing.

Jaime: 14:08

I'm trying to put more money into my team, but it's not really you know, what I was just laughing at this is talking about random stuff again. Yeah. The background of me versus the background of you. You have nothing going on? Yeah, this is a house.

Roy: 14:27

I've been toying. Let me see if I can put a how's this look? Loading loading loading,

Jaime: 14:35

you're gonna put your Oh, there you go. That's kind

Roy: 14:41

of fun, actually. Yeah. Doesn't look so bad. I'm gonna

Jaime: 14:45

get him in there.

Roy: 14:48

We'll see him we got my ape there. We've got a smile. Penguin. IG penguin doodles. A doc. Cool Cat

Jaime: 14:56

Cat. Gutter cat. I was gonna say that too. Got a cat

Roy: 15:00

Gutter cat. Um, and then this owl who's sort of coming becoming more the mascot of ZenAcademy or something? I can't I can't wait for the end of this show where I get to talk about ZenAcademy, because I'm really excited about a lot of things that are happening there. But usually wait. That's it for Larva Labs, I think. Yeah. The next thing we have is like the meta just of all these anime projects sort of popping off?

Jaime: 15:32

And what's the word Meta mean into people that don't understand that concept?

Roy: 15:36

Yeah, meta is sort of so it comes from the metagame is sort of like a concept from video games where say, there'll be a competitive video game. And certain characters or strategies will become very popular because they're strong and powerful. And like players will figure that out. And sort of like, because this strong, powerful strategy has been discovered more people will be using that. And so like that strategy is in meta, but then people will like figure out, okay, so if a lot of people

Jaime: 16:04

have to figure out what's the counter to that

Roy: 16:10

Yeah.

Jaime: 16:10

So we had talked about Kobe substack that he wrote, where he basically was comparing the entirety of the crypto market to this sort of meta that we have in sort of these competitive games, and talking about just what what is in the meta of the crypto market, what's really not, and what's going to be really hot in the future or whatever. And so within the context of the NFT market, it seems like these sort of anime style profile pictures are very popular right now as the main one and the first one.

Roy: 16:43

Yeah. Azuki. And then we've seen lives of Asuna. And what's the other one zip? Zip CS? I can never remember exactly how to pronounce it. Let me look it up right now. But yeah, they've been popping up. ZipCS supernormal. Yeah, just it's sort of like interesting timing, because it's like we I mean, we spoke several episodes ago about how it seemed like the Asian market was entering NFT's more. And obviously, there's a huge market for like anime manga from Japan, and just Asian markets and sort of like this. And obviously, like, a lot of things.

Jaime: 17:20

Yeah, animes has been huge here for a long time.

Roy: 17:23

So it's sort of been just finding projects that just appeal to both markets and sensibilities, and it seems like these Azuki style projects have really captured the zeitgeist. I do find it so interesting how there just seems to be in like in the month of January, a bunch of really high quality anime projects that popping off and it's like obviously we've seen like dozens of copycats, but yeah, is it the case that there were always a bunch and now these are the ones that are super popular because of that or just some crazy coincidence that Azuki

Jaime: 17:56

could look on the blockchain and see see what existed initially

Roy: 17:59

I guess one example one that was around for a while but didn't pop off until this month is capsule house which I'm still kicking myself for not getting because yeah, we don't need to

Jaime: 18:09

get it wasn't just sitting doing nothing though. You know? Right. So your project you're talking about

Roy: 18:16

yes. Yeah, it meant to do like point eight or something and then it rocketed? Is that a point true for a while then up to like point seven but then then that like September October, November, December bear market like November December, it dropped down to point one or so. And so it was doing nothing for quite a while I'm pretty sure. And then now

Jaime: 18:34

I guess, you know, because I still have a bunch of divine zodiacs that are at point o one or less I still think of point one is like it's not nothing you know? Yeah, but But compared to how much other stuff are popping off that

Roy: 18:50

light? Like right this is an artist whose work on super rare sells for like 100 Plus eth in summonses. I'm pretty sure this was

Jaime: 18:57

super rare account yesterday thing that was kind of yeah fun. Yeah. And if I was better at screen sharing maybe I would show you but I don't want to bring more competition to try and buy the same piece that I'm going after so

Roy: 19:11

yeah I'm excited to jump into the artblocks section later cuz I want to screen share while I'm

Jaime: 19:18

ready to talk about ZenAcademy are excited to talk about artblocks but what about what we're actually talking

Roy: 19:24

alright enemy projects.

Jaime: 19:27

I think mostly covered is just though Azuki is Huge!

Roy: 19:30

huge!

Jaime: 19:31

The art is great oh, I It's another one of those projects where it was like six hours before I even fucking was aware of it. So I haven't actually paid much attention to it other than like to see who on my Twitter timeline has them and is excited about them. And just kind of browse the art a little bit myself just to kind of see and I do think it's attractive art. But beyond that, I don't know anything about like the roadmap the team I actually I do. The team is like LA based But yeah man I guess I don't really know but but there's a

Roy: 20:03

the artists are from Overwatch. Yeah, it's legit team there's not like a ton I spoke about this with Carly on overpriced JPEGs podcast cuz she was looking into it as well and she like looked into the team and it's not easy to find out like I don't know how fully doxxed they are and all that kind of stuff they talk about their experience ex Google and stuff like that but aside from the oddest who is who worked on Overwatch for a lot of the assets and stuff there. Yeah, it I know or believe it has a really strong team because I've chatted with them and spoken to them. But it's not like easily apparent for someone wanting to look into the project and checking the website, just how how strong it is. But yeah, it's just captured plenty of neurons as a mutual friends would say. And yeah, it's really it's really killing it. It's literally been top of like the open sea volume and looksrare well, not looks right. Looks. Good watch was trading me bids and Tara forms but yeah, top of the open sea volume for like 10 days or something? Yeah,

Jaime: 21:05

it. I can't remember any sort of the exact specific stats that I'm trying to mention. But like the fact that it rocketed to top 10 All Time volume of any project and past like CloneX, maybe even very quickly in very impressive numbers. Certainly, what not what the size of the collection is exactly 10,000, or I think so.

Roy: 21:23

Yeah. I can look it up again, I think it's I think it's 10k. Exactly.

Jaime: 21:30

Now, I'm sort of curious, just in a general sense, we've talked about this kind of thing before, but like, the way that these profile picture communities are able to coalesce around each other makes the markets for them so fertile and able to rocket so much in a way that it just doesn't really make sense for, like, the land that isn't being used right now. The gaming assets that aren't being used right now. And just flat out art to ever be able to appreciate to that extent. And it seems to me, the art ought to just stay like that forever. But maybe I could see where once we're really in these VR lands more, and we're actually playing these games more, they'll be able to have that same community. Like excitement that that makes the markets for them just as crazy. And quick, as we've been able to really see some of these profile picture communities just go like zero to$50,000 floors in no time.

Roy: 22:41

Yeah. Yeah, I think that sort of when we are in like the metaverse is more, yeah, it'll just be more real, it'll like spread like wildfire really like you, you're walking around in Sandbox at like a party or something. And some asset drops, and you just see it in the sky. I don't know how it works up someone, a bunch of people there awaring it as like a limited edition drop, and people are scrambling to get in on it.

Jaime: 23:07

You know, it's interesting, though, like these identities, theoretically, right, are so persistent and interoperable, that, you know, even when that kind of thing happens, that will still be something that's shining a light on the strength of these actual identity type projects, you know what I mean? Because, you know, you're talking about when we're in Sandbox, but theoretically, for the most part, these people that are in Sandbox will be in it as their Maven as their ape as their azuki. Yeah, so like, it that it just seems like it's, it's something that's never been done before, and the strength that we're seeing out of them, you know, I don't think across the board, all the projects will be able to stay where they are, or the pace of new ones that succeed will be able to continue at the rate that it has. But boy, it's it's just, it's really a very fascinating new thing that has has a lot of intrinsic value to people and I think more people are just gonna have to to find an attractive concept. And like, you know, I just talked about how I went on to super rare but when I went from not having a super account to a super account, and then I this it sounds kind of simple, but I changed my profile picture on there to my Ape and I changed my I set my name to Jamie musings and it's like, I literally brought this digital identity there in a way that if I had called myself Jamie Kaplan and put a picture of myself or whatever, or like another picture of Batman, which I'm also into or something like that, you know, from before the NFT profile picture days. It just that persistence of identity within these digital spaces. It's just an interesting, powerful thing to me that I feel likes. There's so few of us that really understand it right now.

Roy: 25:04

Yeah, I'm actually I'm curious to know how many people who have these PFP avatars, including us are going to want to be that identity in the metaverse. Like, I haven't really spent much time visualizing conceptualizing what it's actually going to feel like to walk around as like a Bored Ape and my Bored Ape. And if I might prefer to be, like something like an azuki, which is more, you know, I don't know, more human. More. Yeah,

Jaime: 25:32

it is more human. Yeah, there humans are. I guess some of them aren't right with their spirit ones and stuff. But yeah,

Roy: 25:37

yeah, true.

Jaime: 25:41

Yeah, I think all right. Um, do you want to cut me off? No, no. Okay. I think it'll just be sort of what is established for you and for you, perhaps, because you are sort of doing so much with Zen Academy and are doing like lots of spaces and stuff like that. Your identity is less linked to your ape than then some other people's identity is to their chosen profile picture, but I would assume that a large percentage of people that are around now, whatever their profile pic NFT is now it's it will be a persistent identity. Yeah, I for me, where I'm at right now. I can't imagine that I would actually be existing in sort of these virtual spaces, with the option to be my ape and not actually walking around is that it seems weird.

Roy: 26:40

Yeah. Yeah. Makes a lot of sense. I feel like my identity is now. Bizarrely more identity like merging to like the color purple. Because like the background of my ape is you created a vacuum and vacuum INNOPOLIS Yeah, and it's like very distinct now and like it stands out from all the other Ape pfps so obviously a document around navy. Yeah, I do. I will always remember the episode of longshot podcast, which you love. I'm a fan of as well. Um, shortly after Prince died one of the the the hosts sold speakers. Amber was talking about how, like, was that?

Jaime: 27:23

Just referring to them as the speakers is ridiculous. Well, she

Roy: 27:27

wasn't really I should the host but she's not a guest. So she's like, cohosts.

Jaime: 27:31

She's one of the CO hosts I think is fair enough. Anyway,

Roy: 27:35

anyway. Um, yeah, she's talking about how Prince basically owned the color purple. Like, yeah, he made that his brand and like just rest in peace, though. He was a giant.

Jaime: 27:53

Oh, God, I'm having a major issue here.

Roy: 27:57

Oh, boy. Oh, I'm gonna open the window. Because I'm really

Jaime: 28:09

there's an area rug. Right behind me. You can kind of I can

Roy: 28:13

see it. Yes. See it there? At the corner of it. Yeah,

Jaime: 28:17

it basically starts like one centimeter behind my wheel. So I can't actually get enough momentum to like, get off it. And then I just push the thing and I get stuck anyway. Yeah, this is some more of that random stuff that people love... Should we, um, we're done with the news of the week. It seems like right? I think so. Yeah, we're just rambling now about the color purple. News of the Week

Roy: 28:38

News of the Week. Bored Ape Yatch Club

Jaime: 28:44

Bored Ape Yatch Club. I'm actually I'm doing like the director. What does it call right? They're not actually making the noise for that. Anyway. Yeah, I'm

Roy: 28:52

making the noise. So the audio which I think is the important part is the important. No one's watching for this in like, right? Nothing. Yeah.

Jaime: 29:02

Why don't you got a lot of things listed here?

Roy: 29:04

It's been a busy week or so. 10 days?

Jaime: 29:07

Yeah. Let's let's just start the mobile game is over. Yep. For the contest, I guess the game still exists and you can play it if you want. But the seven day Contest, which actually got I believe a six day contest because it was so unhealthy for people's sleep patterns

Roy: 29:26

and stuff. It was just like grinding nonstop. Yeah, they basically

Jaime: 29:29

said hey, like we're gonna do a community vote and see if we should just make this one or two days less and it was overwhelmingly voted yes. Please God let us sleep and so yeah.

Roy: 29:42

Yeah, seemed like for like two hours.

Jaime: 29:45

And it was no way I was going to get any of the prizes I wanted to without using way too much of my time. So I just had a little bit of fun playing it and then kind of watched in amazement at the at the high scores that other people were putting up in it. Thinking about the amount of hours that they must have been playing. And now they're doing like a, you know, a two week audit or wherever to try and catch all the cheaters. Then presumably interesting. Did I don't even really know what they would have done. I guess multi accounting type stuff where somebody 1000 miles away is playing right after, right? It's like, okay, obviously.

Roy: 30:22

Yeah, that kind of thing. Yeah, I didn't really pay too much attention to it. I

Jaime: 30:28

really want some of those prizes, too. But yeah, it was just

Roy: 30:33

one day. Yeah, maybe.

Jaime: 30:36

I bet you some of them are going to be so expensive.

Roy: 30:39

Oh, no, I know. The full price apes went to 120.

Jaime: 30:44

Guy. Yeah, and not just apes, though, apes, mutants and dogs all went crazy over the last two and a half weeks is that about a fair time has started

Roy: 30:55

pretty much since the first of January, it just went. So it's

Jaime: 30:59

like, I was gonna say it was sort of seemed like at the beginning of January, we were seeing like a relatively big pump from what I often refer to as sort of these tier two and tier three profile picture projects. And apes, we're just kind of steady, which is good enough, maybe. Although, I guess as price was also kind of dropping a lot at this at this point. But then, recently, maybe again, around January 15. Ish, I don't know. It seemed like they really started to catch a lot of momentum and went from where were they 75 to 120? Is not that long. Yeah. And then maybe the dogs went from like four to 13. Ish. And then mutants went from, like eight to 28. Is that they don't

Roy: 31:48

get. So create. Yeah, yeah, it's so and by

Jaime: 31:51

the way, I was listening to our previous episode, and I don't know if you remember this, you're impersonating me, and I was impersonating you. Yeah. And you're making fun of me for paper handing my blue chip NFTs. But I did that with my mutant the speed with which all of the Apes stuff is going up. And the percentage of my entire network that was tied up in these four NFT's just seem too crazy. Yeah. And I just, I still didn't want to sell the eight because that is just no way I'm getting it back. And it took two awesome. And then the dogs, the prices relative to the mutants, and also the supply. I mean, I've talked about this a lot. But there's 20,000 mutants and less than 10,000 dogs. So that's just huge. And I did think about it a lot. Do I want to sell one dog? Do I want to sell to dogs? Do I want to sell the mutant? Do I want to sell the mutant plus the dog? You okay, over there.

Roy: 32:49

I'm closing the window. Window because Rachel's called.

Jaime: 32:52

Okay, um, and so I was just kind of trying to decide, I definitely want to sell some of this to lock in some of these ridiculous profits. As I just don't think that these prices can keep increasing at this rate for this long. And I ended up determining that the best idea for me was to sell the mutant and I did at 24

Roy: 33:13

Are you planning to buy back in if it drops to say 10, 12?

Jaime: 33:18

Not right now. But I could conceive of such a thing happening at some point in the future, but I just am happy right now to have an Ape and Two dogs. For sure. Yeah. Is it just just like, sorry, I was just gonna say the idea of buying back in at 10. While it may be a good move into just as an average market participant, I'm still in a situation where my Apes was worth so freaking much relative to everything else. There's so many other good options to invest more money into this ecosystem is just it's from a portfolio perspective doesn't make any sense for me.

Roy: 34:03

Yeah, no, that makes total sense. And prices have come down a bit since...

Jaime: 34:10

We're letting off so I like I said I sold it. 24 I think it came down to like 19 and a half, maybe pretty quickly after and I think now it's at like 21...

Roy: 34:19

23 Actually, I just checked Oh, really? Oh, yeah. A little bit higher. Yeah. bounced a bit. But yeah, I

Jaime: 34:26

mean, I think right out like 100, basically

Roy: 34:28

100. Yeah, it was like, yeah, they had gone up so much, some pullback at some point, not insignificant was inevitable.

Jaime: 34:35

It's also weird to like the concept. And we haven't really seen it. For the most part. Maybe auto glyphs is like twin flames. The only I'm trying to think of examples of projects that have had 100 plus floor and stayed there's like, there's basically never been any for the most part. And so

Roy: 34:52

you know, just very much a lot less 10k collection type deal. Yeah, yeah.

Jaime: 34:59

How many articles are there like 400 or something like that? Maybe?

Roy: 35:03

He's 512 would make sense either way,

Jaime: 35:07

you know, much smaller supply than 10,000 is like 100

Roy: 35:12

think 100 I think Yeah. Looking looking looking order of them. I glyphs. Yeah, 100 and a 512. Flow price 208th. So, on our list, oh, the station's artbooks just sold out. Oh, well, we won't be minting that on stream. Justin Bieber paid 500 eth for a floor eight. That was a crazy thing that happened. Did you see the Instagram post afterwards?

Jaime: 35:37

I did see it. I also saw somebody on Twitter had said, if you read the comments, they were like, overwhelmingly positive. We really Yeah, it's so counter to sort of the narrative we have within the NFT space about how everybody outside of Asian. I mean, I guess maybe Bieber's fans liked him so much that they're like of him is greater than the sort of a

Roy: 36:00

work out as the kids would say, his fans or work.

Jaime: 36:03

That's not right. But that, you know, pepper coffee. Their love of him far exceeds their radical hatred of NFT's. You missed your mouth.

Roy: 36:19

I think I like I was laughing and like, I switched the cup around. And it just sort of went on me and on my desk, and I think like little pepper coffee to fix it, though.

Jaime: 36:33

Yeah. But he's huge. I mean, we talked about when like Jimmy Fallon got in, he was the 23rd biggest account on so and so. And

Roy: 36:43

Justin Bieber is the second most followed account on Twitter.

Jaime: 36:46

Yeah. Neymar was the other one I was trying to think of. Yeah, but yeah, he, like, his level of celebrity is so astronomical. It's there's barely anywhere else to go. You know...

Roy: 36:58

Obama

Jaime: 36:58

were saying Why don't OBAMA You know, it also feels like sort of within the, the cultural space that has become fairly popular for apes. Drake is like the only bigger or like, definitely bigger name that could possibly get in. It feels like that'll

Roy: 37:17

be that'll be wild. Yeah.

Jaime: 37:20

It also, at some point, like, you know, theoretically, it's cool to get in right is the concept. But at some point, when so many other celebrities are getting it there, there is sort of a counterculture. Exactly type narrative that makes it cool to not get on.

Roy: 37:40

Right. Yeah. It'd be interesting to see how that evolves.

Jaime: 37:44

And there's also like some rumblings on like, NFT Twitter about how Apes ecosystem, or maybe just apes themselves, I should say, probably, is, it's shifted, because it's, it's not the original creators. And it's definitely not the underdog narrative. It's just, it's now it's celebrities coming in and all of that stuff. Which is, I mean, honestly, if we're talking about the celebrities that are in the club, there's really like, 70 of them at 10000 apes or something. Yeah, but but they do get a lot of attention. Disproportionately. It used

Roy: 38:20

to be like, zero, and now it's 70. And maybe it was the year. Yeah, yeah. Perhaps.

Jaime: 38:27

But But that's, that is sort of what I'm wondering, because if, you know, it's different, when we're talking about it, we're just normal people that aren't in this constantly. But to us, and, and more so to the people that are sort of having that argument about how celebrity sort of obsessed or involved it is at this point, like to, to that narrative, you're sort of already at the point where it's cooler for a celebrity to not buy in. Whereas if you actually, you know, pulled a bunch of celebrities that didn't care much about NFT's. To them, it might still be like, really new and exclusive. And like would be super cool to get in. You know, it's there's a weird imbalance in Yeah. How in like the mind share and stuff like that about, about being in the club and who's in it and stuff.

Roy: 39:20

Yeah. It's also wild and crazy. Really? Yeah. I mean, month two of q1 and a Ape Coin was meant to drop in q1. We're getting closer.

Jaime: 39:33

We're getting very close. Theoretically, I mean, I guess they could push back. I, of course, um, which brings us to Yuga labs selling some equity or, or in negotiations to sell some equity to I believe a16z is is who we're hearing that it would be going to

Roy: 39:53

I think I had another name today, but yeah, Jeter I can't remember

Jaime: 40:00

Is it a person's name or a click? No,

Roy: 40:03

it was a company. Yeah, I can try. And

Jaime: 40:07

I had heard a16z I think financial times maybe even wrote an article about it. But theoretically, they're they're selling equity. And the number we're hearing is that it's being Yuga labs, the entity is being valued at $5 billion. Right? Yeah. Which is wild for a company that's not a year old.

Roy: 40:29

It's so crazy. Someone listed like the companies that is larger than and I don't remember exactly, but it was like, target and like the magnitude of like, some enormous companies that have been around forever.

Jaime: 40:39

Yeah, let me I'm gonna pull something up, you can kind of look at the camera and talk about something, see if I can get this.

Roy: 40:46

All right. We put on on the Bored Ape Yatch Club segment that yuga Labs is hiring as something to talk about. That's something that Jamie added. I was not aware of that this was a bad thing for me to bring up and talk about. There's been like some community backlash against I guess, of the idea of Yuga Labs selling equity.

Jaime: 41:05

Yeah, it's, it's interesting, because we also had the very same time basically had pixel vault doing the same thing for I believe they raised 100 million. You're making a face? Like you don't know. I don't know, I think I think they raised $100 million. Is, is I think what I saw. And yeah, what do you think about it? Do you have thoughts one way or the other or? Actually, right, I'm sorry, right. Before we got on the air, I just I responded to somebody tweeting that their tweet was basically saying, you know, it's weird for people to mint an Ape for $250, let it go all the way to $250,000. And basically, they were saying that, in doing that, they are implicitly trusting Yuga Labs so much. And now for that same Yes. to question them raising money is strange. And I tried to just kind of give a devil's advocate that, okay, that's that is a point. But what about the concept that they've, you know, built what they've built without any VC money. They've made 90ish million dollars from the mutants and are making, I don't really know, we could probably figure out $200,000 A day or something like that, just in royalties, that maybe they don't need to, which I thought was a pretty fair counter. And then he came back and said it. Okay, but what about the idea that it's not about them needing more money, which really, they probably don't? I mean, you know, obviously, they have big plans, but they also have a big war chest right now, theoretically, but it's more about the ability just to scale the brand in a global sense, which they don't necessarily have the know how in team to do. And so teaming up with some sort of big VC company like a16z, theoretically, would enable them to do

Roy: 43:02

you pretty much said all the points that I was thinking, on one side of the argument, yeah,

Jaime: 43:07

okay. I was gonna say, what are the points? You were gonna say mine, or theirs? Or what? Yeah,

Roy: 43:11

so I mean, I mean, I get the people that are sort of against it. But I think I'm more on the side of saying, I trust them. And I don't expect them to do this in a way that is detrimental to the brand or to the ape community and holders. And I think there is there are ways to structure it so that it just adds value to the existing holders and the brand as a whole. Yeah, in terms of like, if you get money, make sure it's like invested for a really long period of the unlock. It's like we don't get dumped on or like maybe it's not they get tokens, they just have some equity in the company, which is turned

Jaime: 43:42

to see now in the in the notes here. You wrote about it back being about Ape Coin, but my understanding was, it was definitely not that is that they were just kidding.

Roy: 43:51

I just don't know for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I

Jaime: 43:53

think it's it's not that I think it's them getting equity into Yuga Labs. I think it is a separate thing. Now it is interesting. There was like an eight or so maybe 10 Tweet tweet thread. That's I said the word tweet a lot in a row. Dramatically Correct.

Roy: 44:10

That buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.

Jaime: 44:14

It's a good one that you did it maybe December or something where they were kind of talking

Roy: 44:20

about? I have no idea about the buffalo sentences like what's

Jaime: 44:24

gonna go there in the English language is grammatically correct to make a sentence that only uses the word buffalo as many times as you want because there's like three different definitions of the word buffalo

Roy: 44:35

the end

Jaime: 44:40

although I guess you might need like, at least three of them because otherwise I think it's

Roy: 44:44

probably seven maybe but no,

Jaime: 44:46

no, I can't be right there we're getting way off topic but so in this tweet thread by Yuga Labs, they had basically professed a desire to make the the the brand at least So this, this will be Bored Ape Yatch Club not Yuga Labs because yuga Labs is up here. And then Bored Ape Yatch Club is just one thing under them, although they haven't really done other stuff yet they aspire to anyway, the idea was we want to make Bored Ape Yatch Club, literally community owned. Right? Yeah. And it's not easy to do. It's, it's sort of not even possible right now. But we're working with lawyers, we're going to take our time, and that that is our end goal. And so now, to me, the the sort of fear here would be when you give equity in yuga labs, to these VCs, you have a situation where, you know, yuga labs have stated desire to get equity into the holders of the NFT holders, is going to be your alignments are not going to what is it incentives are not going to be aligned between the VC firm and the NFT Holders?

Roy: 45:59

Yeah, that's a real way point. Yeah, in

Jaime: 46:01

a way, we're right now, it seems like yuga labs and the NFT holders, incentives are very aligned. You could kind of have that split a little bit. Once this outside VC team owns a piece of Yuga Labs.

Roy: 46:15

Yeah. No, I mean, yeah, I, I saw that tweet thread and, and I was excited by the idea of Bored Ape Yatch Club being entirely community owned, because I think that's, I mean, obviously, it's, it's very impractical and unfeasible to do like, immediately, but as something to work towards, I love love the concept of that

Jaime: 46:33

I do too. I also love that they have sort of more that they want to do with you, outside of it to like, you know, theoretically get Bored Ape Yatch Club into just the hands of the holders, and we've got other stuff we want to do. Specifically, they talked a lot about gaming and what they think NFT's can do within the gaming space, I remember as being something they were sort of leaning into. And that tweet thread about the things that they want to do with Yuga labs. That is beyond the scope of just the Bored Ape Yatch Club.

Roy: 47:06

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess I guess so much of it is like we're speculating a lot here.

Jaime: 47:15

very speculative, because we have so little information, we have some rumors, you know, again, like 10 tweets from them kind of reading deeply into although, you know, they weren't using very ambiguous language so so we're basically just restating in terms of when we're talking about that that particular tweet right Yeah, exactly what they said slightly off topic the other day I was just thinking about the the club in Miami like there's just kind of

Roy: 47:46

crazy that's Yeah, I can't wait for that.

Jaime: 47:49

Yeah, me either. That I think that wraps up Bored Ape Yatch Club segment unless you can think of anything else that you think

Roy: 47:58

we should wrap it up on there was a lot already

Jaime: 48:01

yeah. Bored Ape Yatch Club. Artblocks.

Roy: 48:14

Artblocks. So this is the first applic section will first every segment while we're doing a video but one of the cool things is that we can now share a screen of some of the author we're talking about so I'm gonna do that right now.

Jaime: 48:27

That's there's a little bit of irony there right because what is the name of the most recent curator project on our fox?

Roy: 48:32

Screens? There we go.

Jaime: 48:37

Yes, now Yeah, I can see it but I'm a little bit curious what this does this is probably not an on air conversation but I'm curious what are the people watching on like YouTube or Spotify right now seeing are they seeing exactly what I'm seeing where I'm seeing Yes, your screen plus me and you and it just Yep.

Roy: 48:57

Plus the two windows about your blow I'm on top and this is over here.

Jaime: 49:02

These these sort of bookmarks at the top of your screen none of them are embarrassing. That you don't want to be sharing because you sure are right now. Yeah, I can't read them. I mean, if I maximize my screen I

Roy: 49:15

could well this one's funny for the poker players out there. Yeah.

Jaime: 49:20

Such a classic image

Roy: 49:22

this is some bit great is some bands playing with the balloon

Jaime: 49:27

by the way my wife the lawyer would not care for you clicking agree that quickly Yeah, she um collection Solana All right. Nothing too juicy in there. Oh, no, you're worse as long as last time you actually use that right?

Roy: 49:42

Yeah, that's a flashback. What are we looking at here? Oh go platinum spirit. We're very off topic and this is where we are my this is artblocks segment... what a horse look at that I got when usually it's knotted.

Jaime: 50:01

They still do. Do they? Not as much maybe as they used to, but I believe they still do. Yeah. You haven't raised her since the fourth of December. Wow.

Roy: 50:10

Sounds about right. How do you find the graph like winnings or?

Jaime: 50:15

I think your wallet? Probably.

Roy: 50:19

Oh, I see. All right, let's um, let's talk artblocks though. Maybe Yeah.

Jaime: 50:24

Now did you not see my Screen on on Twitter about screens because you did not respond to it. And I was a little slightly hurt.

Roy: 50:32

I don't think I saw it.

Jaime: 50:34

Basically, after the it dropped. You tweeted Like six of them? Yeah, I assume that they were six you owned. And then I asked if you wanted to sell me the one of the top right and you just you're not gonna find it here.

Roy: 50:47

So it was in my

Jaime: 50:49

response to your tweet. Well, I

Roy: 50:51

didn't just go here for that. I'm really showcasing all the back end of my stuff now. But um, there we go.

Jaime: 51:01

Yeah, that one that one of the top right. I loved. Yeah. I asked him. I mean, I love Oh,

Roy: 51:08

I love this collection. So yeah, I'm not easily ready to give. Oh, here we go.

Jaime: 51:15

All right. Sorry. So I will receive the response. There it is. Yeah. Great.

Roy: 51:22

Great. Back to Yeah, the collection. You know, Tony Correct.

Jaime: 51:28

I did not mean that. This is from the same artists that did rapture, which is a pretty popular factory drop. I really love rap are very maybe very popular is better because it

Roy: 51:38

one of the most popular Yeah.

Jaime: 51:44

Yeah. Anyway, are animated screens. Yeah, no, no. rapturous?

Roy: 51:52

Screens are little animated too. Oh, yeah. Sort of. Yeah, they like render in layers like that. Right? That's the nice one.

Jaime: 52:02

Um, now what did they minted out at?

Roy: 52:07

Some of the most mostly sold that before like the 1.5 eth range. And then like 300 out of the 1000 sold at 1.25.

Jaime: 52:14

Okay, and now they're sitting just under two are right at two basically.

Roy: 52:18

I think a bit over two now. Especially because like just before we jumped on this call snowfro, also the trending on the open sea front page. But Snowfro was I think gushing about them in the Artblocks almost three. Yeah, they are really nice. I love them Rachel loves them. Yeah.

Jaime: 52:39

I haven't delved too deep into it. But I do definitely like some of them. Some of the palettes aren't for me or not exciting. But it definitely an interesting project with like, cool, interesting diversity in terms of the composition of them. And like I said, I do really love that one. And that was on the top right of the tweet that you had sent out. Now those you have exactly six and those are your six. Is that fair to say? Right. Well, I

Roy: 53:09

I have four Rachel has two.

Jaime: 53:11

And those are the six Yeah. Yeah.

Roy: 53:16

Rachel just did one of these to me, so I guess she bought a third one. I think she told me about that actually earlier. No, she didn't. Okay, so she Rachel has three now. So we have seven together?

Jaime: 53:24

What was the top right one one of hers? Because maybe I need to go directly to her. I don't

Roy: 53:29

know. Actually. They're almost together. I don't know which remind him is rehearse. But you can negotiate with her. She'll choose. This thing's at like seven times floor prices. If you want to pay 15 Each, I'm sure. Maybe let

Jaime: 53:41

it go. I don't even want to pay 2.8 To be honest with you. But yeah, I do. I do like some of them a lot. And so here this 68 I think is that same palette, which I really Oh 878 is definitely I really like that, that that smell it to me really works. And there's like a lot of yellows in here, which I've talked about this a little bit before when we were covering edifice, but it's just for some reason, for the most part, I don't like art that has a lot of yellow in it. And I find it particularly actually interesting when there is art that is you know, big on yellows that I that I gravitate towards, which happened with the sunflower palette in in Edifis which I guess since you're doing the screen sharing, you'd have to be in charge of showing but also this summer fragments I love and especially great yellow the yellow ones. I do gravitate towards a lot. This is not it, but that's close because there is some yellow there. But like yeah, here 963 962 Yeah, I'm really into that. And it's

Roy: 54:46

I love this collection. Yeah,

Jaime: 54:49

I like it quite a bit. I still haven't done

Roy: 54:51

hmm I feel generative art is having a moment again.

Jaime: 54:56

We're definitely seeing more interest in. I'm a little distracted just looking at the art. Yes, so nice artblocks has been a bit more momentum lately. And basically what it started with was a wallet with 20,000 ether, I believe it was 20,000. Some just started buying them squiggles like crazy. And basically the squiggle for like doubled from like four to eight in a day because of this person, which basically just brought a lot more attention back to our blocks. And so people have just been kind of buying a lot more than they had been previously also read that somebody swept spectron floor the other day, which is another branch, there's nothing vaguely trying to get into. It's also one where this is interesting ish, or at least is to me, the literal art of spectron to me is like fine. But the concept and story behind it is really interesting to me. And I can't actually think of other artbox projects where that's the case to me, but it's sort of it's it harkens back to a time that is still relevant in my life, because it's talking about sort of like VCR era stuff. I don't know if this is interesting to people, but to me, it's it's sort of of a time that I can relate to because I was around for it, but it's a bygone era. So there's just sort of an interesting sort of nostalgia feel to it to me, that I gravitate towards, I do want to get one of them. But But when I'm actually just looking at it and not thinking about what it's supposed to represent, it's, it's, it's fine. I don't dislike it. But it's it's weird that it's a project that I'm so much more attracted to. In a way that is outside of the realm of the actual visual art itself. Which is sort of interesting and speaks to what art is, you know, yeah. Okay. Yeah. You know, if you just wanted to talk about like, sort of the the kind of stuff that people who are not into art are so quick to poopoo like a Roscoe or or Jackson Pollock or whatever where they go, my kid could do that. Although I think Jackson Pollock's are actually looks fucking awesome to me. Whereas Rothko, again, I would go, you know, some of it's fine, and stuff like that. Anyway, that's just me rambling about art for a little bit here. Now, here's the next curator drop coming up,

Roy: 57:32

correct by Maddie Mariinsky? Who is the same artist that launched or at least the brush pops collection? Of

Jaime: 57:41

which Rachel loves That's funny.

Roy: 57:47

Yeah, she I think she has like 10 of them or six, or I don't know, a lot, or had she might have sold a couple during the pump. But they're really I love them as well. Nice. Nice. Yeah, this video thing is great. I love being able to share this video it is and apologies to those who are just watching the listening to the oh,

Jaime: 58:05

I literally didn't even think of that. But like it was already obnoxious when we were doing this without it. But now we're really leaning into talking about the video stuff. It's gonna be even more obnoxious for them.

Roy: 58:16

Yeah, we should probably be literally just keep that in mind, I guess of not being like, Hey, look at this thing on screen. But look, yeah, scribing it a bit more? Yeah.

Jaime: 58:27

For the people that are listening, there is now a video option. So at least, maybe you can if you want to skip the artblock segment of the audio and then go back in time and watch the video of it later if if you are interested.

Roy: 58:40

Yeah, an option. Yeah, and and hopefully they getting released at around the same time, but because of the editing stuff, the audio might get released, and then the video will be a little bit quicker.

Jaime: 58:50

I don't know. This is our them. And we literally don't know because this is our first time you're doing it.

Roy: 58:56

But back to Parabellum, which is the next artblocks curated drop

Jaime: 59:01

down to the description of it.

Roy: 59:03

Yeah, I'll read it out again for the listeners. Parabellum is about the conflict of emotion and gut instinct versus logic and reason. Emotions are portrayed by color fields logic is illustrated by Woods. These two forces are fighting for dominance over the canvas. Under the hood Parabellum utilizes a thin language engine that was trained by reading dozens of books about rebellion and anarchy to generate mostly non existent English phrases. And on chain embedded font is used to render the familiar readable letter shapes against the abstract fuzzy color field fields. And then it says Parabellum is half of the Latin phrase. See this past some Parabellum if you want peace, prepare for war. Interesting means to prepare for war.

Jaime: 59:54

There's a little bit of an assembly thing going on there right where they're sort of taking Text and forcing you to, to confront it, but not actually have it be a sensical phrase that you can read or words that you can read.

Roy: 1:00:12

Yes, definitely.

Jaime: 1:00:13

But the assamica was sort of doing it in a more pure way where that was all of the art, but also a less pure way, because the lettering wasn't even the same system. Whereas this is doing like very sort of nice, traditional, sort of purely abstracted geometric art or whatever. And then layering on top of that, this, so now this is not me, just drop my pen. This is not the collection, these are all testament,

Roy: 1:00:41

this is the sample outputs from the staging area. So just to give an idea of the different types of right. Yeah, like this one looks really cool to me. It's got like the text diagonally slanting across the across the background color. Yeah. Yeah. No. assamica, amongst others. Interesting.

Jaime: 1:01:06

It does very much to like, can we go back to the description a little bit? Yeah, I just want to sort of lean into something that they said, See, these two forces are fighting for dominance over the canvas, I very much in feeling that when I'm, when I'm sort of looking at it, I find myself trying to just enjoy the the sort of painting, so to speak. Yes. But then then I have this conflict of the other thing, drawing my attention away from it. Yeah. Which kind of is interesting to me that I would sort of describe that as, like challenging, or I don't know if that's a term that people use much. But you know, it's sort of like, it's engaging me in a way that's more active than a lot of art that that you can kind of just let wash over you. There's an inherent sort of struggle going on with it. Which is interesting.

Roy: 1:02:06

I found one here, which has seemingly no text or font. Yeah, he probably, I guess, one of the rarer types, but I would

Jaime: 1:02:15

assume, yeah. Now can you? Can you go to the details, like the token page of that one and see if there was a stat or not a static a trait? Yeah, so there is that? I don't know if any of them have. I guess we don't have enough context to know what any of these No, but possibly one of those is referring to the fact that there is no text. Although I don't see any that would immediately make that obvious. I'm gonna scroll down. Is there something Oh, palette there?

Roy: 1:02:48

No, that was the bottom

Jaime: 1:02:49

how it's the last one. Okay. Interesting.

Roy: 1:02:51

Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited. I'm going to mint or at least try to mint. Yeah,

Jaime: 1:03:01

I'm a little bit less intimidating these days and more to secondary market shopping, to where, like, we've talked about something like this before, where sometimes before the project comes out, I'm not as into it as I am, after the project comes out, and just being able to really take in the diversity of the algorithm. And then find the parts of that algorithm. Sort of this, this spaces on on the just sort of the, the three dimensional space, so to speak, I'm being very weird here that the the algorithm does with all the different traits, you know, just the different ways that that can coalesce into a singular piece of art. I'm finding it more interesting to get a real understanding of that, find the ones that I really find interesting and just kind of go for those, rather than sort of having the fun of the roulette where you're minting and you don't know what you're going to get that is fun. But especially now that they're doing the Dutch auction where they're kind of being valued for what they are worth in the mint, rather than being so cheap, and then letting the market bid them up afterwards. I find myself more wanting to just take in the whole collection first, and then find what I really like and kind of try and acquire one that speaks to me, like I tried to do with that screen so that you will refuse to sell me

Roy: 1:04:40

yeah, no, I think that makes a ton of sense. I'm doing the thing that I always do on the podcast, except now moving on screen has just begun. Yeah, yeah. Well, now they've gotten I guess, more expensive. One .2.3. Now the point six I think is you Yeah, point 5555

Jaime: 1:05:02

Actually that second one is sort of of the type that I like. Let's get back. I still don't have one actually. And actually after the minting sale I have been doing a little bit of Loki arc shopping. Yeah. Right now I've been aiming at autumn fragments. There's only a couple of those that I like but I still need one to finish my collection. And so I'm bidding on those I still don't have dreams by Joshua Begley, which is a collection you know, I love and so I have a list of ones of those and I'm trying to get started on all of them. Actually, this is the second cheapest one here. No third, third cheapest right there. Number 579 is one that I like, and I contacted the owner on Twitter, I want to buy it from them, I'll buy it at that price. If they'll do it on looksrare and they did not respond to me. MattKailash though, he's kind of a big shot. So he, you know, from a co owner of DraftKings or something to that effect, but I really liked that one, and would be happy to buy it at that price on looksrare. But I have plenty of other ones that I'm interested in too. So I'm just bidding on them on emulator. I'm getting better at not having FOMO and I mean this is a plenty old collections but you know FOMO ought to be gone now. And I'm just okay being able to slowly add pieces of art to my collection rather than being like I got to get and pay the price of asking

Roy: 1:06:27

like July August it was sort of like if you like something Yeah, just get it it's gonna be gone in five minutes.

Jaime: 1:06:32

There's there's very much less a sense of now.

Roy: 1:06:38

I mean, we just look at the last sale was four days ago. Right? And there's been like 10 sales in the last month or something so yeah, yeah, it's very very much a buyers market at the moment still. Yeah, ah, I wanted to buy something on stream I wanted to buy it's disappeared stations by mix Fernando... Mint so as you can see Yeah, these look just really cool.

Jaime: 1:07:10

Yeah and so to me the first things that I'm just thinking of is G do its work and then the democracy drop are are the two things that kind of come out to me but it's it's much more of a solid object than G leaves where his has a lot of sort of like empty spaces and stuff like that and where you can kind of peer into and through the objects or whatever Yeah, you don't I mean I guess less so with his Utopia drop that that one is a bit different

Roy: 1:07:43

and actually I'm into a few earlier today and haven't seen them all so maybe we can just go through a reveal game into more than I minted 14... These ones look really cool

Jaime: 1:08:01

is this this artist first drop on them artblocks

Roy: 1:08:05

I believe so. At least I didn't immediately recognize the name so good like this is awesome

Jaime: 1:08:12

yeah and I can zoom in and out or no

Roy: 1:08:15

yeah yeah. Oh it's definitely got that democracies thing going on here in a bit and see like the different heights of the

Jaime: 1:08:26

it's also you know, as I was saying, G did stuff for GE dude stuff is inherently much more animated. I guess I don't actually see any motion here that isn't being controlled by you. Whereas GM stuff is more like sort of like Alien factories where like stuff is happening and and actively going on even without you I guess these are kind of rotating that's that's very different. That's just kind of letting you see different parts of it. Yeah, you saw like these spires and stuff on like G work a lot they be going up and down and to be stuff sliding.

Roy: 1:09:04

I mean, I'll just search for

Jaime: 1:09:06

G1 dude.

Roy: 1:09:08

Yeah. Any collections?

Jaime: 1:09:11

I think ignition is probably a good good enough on this. This is sort of is simpler. Earlier works.

Roy: 1:09:24

I don't actually see much movement but

Jaime: 1:09:25

like if you if you click this stuff, yeah. is where a lot of it is happening.

Roy: 1:09:31

If you click and hold it goes lights on let's Oh, I think

Jaime: 1:09:33

maybe so it might actually be worth now going to look at as it evolved and goes to what is the other one? Aurora is sort of a bit of a more complex version of that same kind of thing. But it's also not now I'm feeling like I was not super accurate about the degree to which it was animated, which is interesting. Our friend Peter certainly is more aware of this guy's art than I am. I've never actually collected any of it.

Roy: 1:10:06

I have a couple pieces and I've collected some more on FXhash. I think he dropped.

Jaime: 1:10:12

Yeah, that's the stuff that I've looked at the most recently is their FXhash work.

Roy: 1:10:17

Yeah.

Jaime: 1:10:21

I've been on nasal actually a lot a while ago, like, maybe shortly after my elemental stays. You know, when I was really early. I was like, Yeah, you're interesting, but I was very cool.

Roy: 1:10:33

Yeah. All right. I think that's pretty long the ArtBlocks section. Is there anything else we need to cover?

Jaime: 1:10:43

Let me pull up the email that we have with the stuff. Nope. That's it. We got the last curated the next curated, then just the general sort of sentiment tivity long back into it.

Roy: 1:10:57

All right, Artbloooocks... next.

Jaime: 1:11:03

Okay, so we're just talking about Zen Academy. All right. Apparently, there's a lot to talk. Talk about. Now, right earlier in this podcast, you teased how excited you were to talk about Zen Academy. So we're,

Roy: 1:11:22

I'm trying to like I see. You can see it. Yeah. That ZenAcademy.

Jaime: 1:11:27

Yeah. For the people only listening and not looking. Roy's background is a is a Zen Academy custom piece of art. And he's trying to highlight it with his hands. It's going somewhat quarterly, I would say. But anyway, you have a lot to talk about. What what Yeah, about it.

Roy: 1:11:43

It's an exciting time in ZenAcademy and the 333 clubs point of like journey, I think. So we launched in November. And it sort of just been a slow, build grind for the last few months without too much happening beyond sort of

Jaime: 1:11:58

build sounds more positive grind sounds a little bit more unpleasant.

Roy: 1:12:04

Okay, it hasn't been a grind at all. It's been a slow build,

Jaime: 1:12:06

like grind. You're one word away from calling it a slog.

Roy: 1:12:11

It has not been it's been a slow, like, journey. Let's look forward, slow march forward. Were

Jaime: 1:12:20

told it's about the journey and destination. Is that accurate?

Roy: 1:12:25

The journey has been great. The journey has been great. But it's been very sort of like meandering, I guess it's haven't really said, alright, we want to do this. This is the goal has

Jaime: 1:12:38

always been Oh, yeah. Right. You wanted to have a sort of inclusive and educational thing. Right. Is that sort of fair to say? Yeah. And it sort of has its it's within a Discord server to the, for the most part, but you're doing a lot of like spaces and stuff on Twitter. And, yeah, you talk.

Roy: 1:13:01

I've had a lot of like, like spaces, and then YouTube thing and then a bunch of other stuff happening, but again, without like a focused visual thing to move towards. But now it's sort of coming together. It's like forming in my head, like the plan in the future for Zen Academy and where we're, where we're hoping to go. I've always wanted to continue building it in some direction with that focus of education, but it was never very clear, I guess, in terms of like brand and marketing and like, vision. hadn't really put that much thought into it other than education, cool community and just drive value to people. But a few days ago, I hired Emily as like marketing, which is her official role, but like marketing manager, Brand Manager. Yeah, I met her through the cryptocoven thing. And, you know, we were chatting and

Jaime: 1:13:51

right, sorry, we're gonna have a classic segment here. I say coven.

Roy: 1:13:56

You say coven? Hmm. That's weird. All right. I'm

Jaime: 1:14:01

not really familiar with that word. So I I might just be obviously wrong.

Roy: 1:14:07

Yeah, cryptic.

Jaime: 1:14:08

I'm curious. So

Roy: 1:14:10

weird to me. Crypto coven.

Jaime: 1:14:12

pronounce coven. Oh, shit. coven? Google is definitely telling me it's coven. Coven that's emerging. Yeah, it also has British come on to British. Now British is also coming all right.

Roy: 1:14:36

Yeah. Um, yeah, we met through there and then I'd seen her like around and if you haven't seen it, oh,

Jaime: 1:14:42

hold on a second. Hold on. It's an Oh, right. I mean, I guess I understand the concept of a long vowel sound. It looks like COVID to me. Coven would be like it you know, it actually says that there when you do the Google to pronounce it. KUHV Yeah, that's that's cousin. CO Yeah, that's, that's Coven see? Oh, by the way, co V is unequivocal that's cope. It is it throw it on there. Well Coven That's

Roy: 1:15:15

you sure he done? Yeah,

Jaime: 1:15:17

I'm sure you can talk about your witch or whatever your marketing witch.

Roy: 1:15:21

Yeah, so she came on as just to help with. So yeah, I reached out initially, I was like gonna see if she wanted to be part of the mod team because you know what growing need a few more mods than I saw. She was always online and modding for another community. And then also around the same time I've been thinking and needing to hire another assistants, then you know, we were chatting is like, hey, maybe you can you know, help out? And is that something you're interested in? And she said, Yeah, let's have a chat, and we'll see what I can help out with. And we jumped on a call. And it was just clear that she was absurdly overqualified to be a MOD like assistant rather, she's like Head of Marketing at this app one second the day, I think is what it's called, and just has all this like background experience in marketing and brand building working for Nike and with Nike. And like, she knows the branding aspect. And that's something that we haven't really done. But it's something that I've been thinking about a lot over the last few weeks. I think, because like CCO has been in the zeitgeist, it's been on my mind a lot. Intellectual property is a thing that people are just talking about more now, thinking more about, like the future vision of ZenAcademy and and other NFT projects. And I'm sort of realizing that there's so much power and value in like the lore and the story in the world building that these projects have. Yeah, so yeah, bringing her on board. And now thinking about that more myself. And like we're starting to shape the vision, a little bit more for ZenAcademy. And I was in two spaces, I think yesterday or the day before, with someone who sort of said, as I was describing this, they said,

Jaime: 1:16:52

some listeners might not know what a space is, is, can you just

Roy: 1:16:56

sure spaces is like a Twitter spaces, which means it's like a like a voice chat room, basically on us via Twitter, within Twitter as you go up, anyone that's following you on Twitter, or anyone following someone who's in the space on Twitter can join and listen in. And it's like a real time live recording like a podcast, but you can also get interaction with anyone in the audience and stuff like that. So I was on a spaces a couple of days ago, talking about ZenAcademy and the vision. And they were like, Oh, you're building like the Hogwarts of the metaverse. And I was like, Yes. That's amazing.

Jaime: 1:17:32

Kale is so into it now.

Roy: 1:17:36

Oh, great. That's you tell me? Oh,

Jaime: 1:17:38

I didn't but I mean, the biggest Harry Potter fan that anybody in the world knows probably is my wife.

Roy: 1:17:46

I we're gonna get like 1000 people writing and saying no, no.

Jaime: 1:17:50

I mean, this room is not great for it. I was gonna point out how much stuff there is this. This is very light on it. This is sort of the guest room that's sort of also turned into my office, but her office over there. It's nothing but nothing but behind her, you know, she has multiple degrees, but it's like much more prominent. Is her face at Hogwarts acceptance letter? Yeah, yeah. Nicer frame. Oh,

Roy: 1:18:17

oh, that's a great idea. What if we like to drop acceptance letters to everyone was a Zen Academy. Like, there's so many cool things. Thank you. But yeah, so I've sort of heard that idea. And I'm just like, now that I can't get that out of my head. I'm just thinking, okay, maybe it is good runners up

Jaime: 1:18:33

for the last seven minutes or wherever you've been talking about how I didn't have a vision or an idea where we're going. But now I do. But we're very vague. And not specifically stating it. But now not as it was a lead up. And yeah, sort of.

Roy: 1:18:48

It was all lead up to Hogwarts or the metaverse and then you were like, I dropped in one second before, like, you know about the spaces thing, but yeah, Hogwarts for them. Which I should maybe stop saying because I don't want JK Rowling's lawyers after me. Yeah, um, yeah, but I'm gonna run with it for a couple more days. Okay,

Jaime: 1:19:06

JK Rowling the turf. Yeah.

Roy: 1:19:11

I've asked, alright, like, as soon as I heard about I DM a friend who's like an IP lawyer. And I was like, Can I say this? I'm waiting to hear back. And probably the answer is no, but, um, but that's like the

Jaime: 1:19:23

You could probably get away. And again, I don't know. I literally don't know anything. But you could say it's like the Hogwarts of the metaverse is probably more acceptable than the Hogwarts or the metaverse.

Roy: 1:19:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But anyway, we're gonna regardless do our own thing and Hogwarts will be no was actually it'll be like world sorry. Yes. Damn it. You're gonna say that?

Jaime: 1:19:44

Yeah. I was gonna say yeah, let's let's flip the script. So that way Hogwarts is the

Roy: 1:19:48

Hogwarts who in 20 years Yeah, yeah,

Jaime: 1:19:51

that'll never happen. But yeah,

Roy: 1:19:53

I know. But yeah, like just because of the pouch because it is like a video world gaming world metaverse. We can do also Have fun things where we integrate magic and like if we do a PFP collection that can be like wizards and like different classes or houses, warlocks, you know, people can be divided into houses inspired by Harry Potter, or like other things. And yeah, like,

Jaime: 1:20:18

official land yet. Metaverse land for ZenAcademy, or is that still just a no, I think you'll get in the future when it becomes more necessary and current.

Roy: 1:20:28

Yeah, I mean, I've sort of been waiting for the prices to drop, which they are a little bit. But

Jaime: 1:20:33

no, I was actually just looking at sandbox prices today because I was just looking for stuff to offer loans on NFTfi. There's so many parcels and they're so expensive.

Roy: 1:20:43

What are they like? 3.8 or something? Yeah. Yesterday, there was a rumor floating around

Jaime: 1:20:49

121,000 I think it said.

Roy: 1:20:53

Yeah, I think yeah, there's a lot of them. But yeah, there was a rumor that Facebook slash meta was gonna acquire a sandbox. I saw that. But that's since been debunked, I think.

Jaime: 1:21:03

Oh, yeah. Cuz I never actually saw where that rumor came from.

Roy: 1:21:06

Yeah, I know, in discord. Yeah.

Jaime: 1:21:10

I was gonna say it doesn't sound like what I would think Facebook would want to do. But they definitely have acquired stuff before Oculus they acquired and they were looking at for instagram, of course, what's out? So it's not out of the realm of possibility.

Roy: 1:21:26

Yeah. But yeah, it's, it's,

Jaime: 1:21:29

it does get dicey though, like with these NFT projects, that the concept of acquiring them. Yeah. You know, if you're, are you acquiring like, because obviously, you can't just acquire all the NFT's by making a payment with the company that released the NFT's. Yeah. And it's really very different from just Yeah, acquiring a company. And now you have all of their assets. Yeah, you know, these decentralized things where, you know, the the NFT's aren't literally necessarily assets of sandbox, because other people own them. But it is sort of the end product or whatever. Yeah, well, I think it comes down to IP.

Roy: 1:22:10

Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, anyway, um, yeah. So I'm just getting more and more excited about just all again, having an NFT project, you can do so many cool and awesome things. And we have such an awesome community. And like a lot of people like just into ZenAcademy and like it as a Discord server to hang out in. Enjoy. And I love that. And now just thinking about the directions, you can take it in the future.

Jaime: 1:22:35

It's definitely my main space. We've been interacting with the fans of this podcast, certainly, because there's, there's a channel in there for this podcast, where? Yeah, we do a lot of talking with fans.

Roy: 1:22:46

Yeah. So yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah, we're hopefully going to, we're just going to be doing more things like the Zen Academy Twitter account is going to be like, so like very much up until now. It's like very much everything's run through my Twitter account. And they haven't really been separate entities. And like things, but I think we're really gonna focus on branding ZenAcademy is separate to Zeneca and the 333 Club separate to both of those with its own Twitter account and its own things because they are they are different. All three of us are different entities. And it makes sense to sort of brand them differently and have different messaging and all that kind of stuff. Obviously, very heavily intertwined. But yeah, no, I'm really, I'm bullish on ZenAcademy, and the 333 Club, which three to three clubs getting pretty close to selling out as well, which is fun and exciting.

Jaime: 1:23:37

Yeah, sorry. You're taking which McCall it's again?

Roy: 1:23:42

Applications.

Jaime: 1:23:43

That's the word.

Roy: 1:23:44

I was. I mean, I was I opened them up. I

Jaime: 1:23:46

stopped as well, because you got enough. Yeah,

Roy: 1:23:48

I stopped last couple of days ago. Yeah. That's exciting. I'm going to Dubai next week to shoot a video course with me. Oh,

Jaime: 1:24:02

well, there you go. I'm going to Dubai. When to do what now?

Roy: 1:24:06

I'm going to Dubai next Wednesday to shoot a video course with NAS Academy. So NAS daily is like this massive social media presence he does like video

Jaime: 1:24:20

has nothing to do with the rapper Nas Who's my favorite rapper of all time?

Roy: 1:24:24

No, I think the the founder NESEA ZSI.

Jaime: 1:24:28

He a lot of second couldn't be because that's his real name.

Roy: 1:24:32

Ah, well, I don't think so. But NAS I think means people or humans or something. And yeah, it's just an academy for learning and they've recently started doing a lot more crypto related.

Jaime: 1:24:45

Can you name the one song by NAS?

Roy: 1:24:51

I can. Oh,

Jaime: 1:24:54

I get it. Yeah. I literally thought you are Telling me that yeah, I'm waiting. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one too.

Roy: 1:25:04

There we go. It is. Anyway. Yeah, we're gonna shoot a video course on sort of helping people who are looking to launch NFT projects and all the things that go into a frame on this. So it'll be a paid course through NAS Academy. We don't know the price yet.

Jaime: 1:25:25

I'm gonna Google just look it up.

Roy: 1:25:28

It'll be I'm happy to screenshot when we do that. It'll be free for ZenAcademy holders, so and 333 Club holders.

Jaime: 1:25:37

That's cool. Okay, yeah, this is there's a couple things like this. I'm trying to think masterclass is the one that comes to mind. Yes.

Roy: 1:25:44

So there he basically the inspiration for let me just get the thing. Sure. Not. The inspiration for it was literally masterclass. And I think he wanted to create content on masterclass. And they were like, No, we only work with a extremely select group of, you know, yeah, they're very, they're

Jaime: 1:26:07

very big names over there

Roy: 1:26:09

aren't like these massive celebrities, and they're not. The CEO was like, What about everyone else? Like, there's tons of experts out there and all sorts of fields. And so he basically created his own thing. And that's what it is. And so yeah, like, become a travel photographer, a content creator understand crypto. This is how I got connected to the SIA Ben Muir, who's a co founder of curious addys, he's created this course. Again, free for curious Addy's holders. And yeah, it's just like, more structured education, educational content, I think. And, yeah. And you want to

Jaime: 1:26:49

definitely, specifically would be about launching an NFT project is what it's gonna be about?

Roy: 1:26:54

Yeah, it'll be about it'll be, yeah. All about launching a project and like running a project and the things that a project founder and creator needs to think about, because obviously, I've now launched mine. And I spend 40 hours a week talking to other project founders who are launching and right, yeah. And I think that the course by Ben was already sort of like a real primer, Intro to NFT, NFT on general sense, crypto, and NF T's and all that kind of stuff. So I don't really want to rehash that. And I think this is a bit more niche. And yeah, so it just, it's different. It's fun. It's exciting. It's interesting, hopefully reach a new audience. Hopefully be helpful content and free for ZenAcademy and 333 club holders.

Jaime: 1:27:39

I am I am one of those. So I guess I'll be able to watch it if I

Roy: 1:27:43

so true. You are although you paper handed and other blue chip when you sold me tokens

Jaime: 1:27:47

today. Yeah, I had four I listed one of them for point three, and it's gone now. Yep. I still got three though.

Roy: 1:27:55

You still got three. And that's basically it's ZenAcademy and that update,

Jaime: 1:28:02

that's cool. I'm happy that you have more of a specific direction to head in with it. Even though it was it was you know, a good community and and definitely a pleasant thing, and was sort of what you wanted it to be at the time. It is it is nice to have a sort of a more focused way to drive it yourself rather than kind of, you know, it was a nice organic community already. But to have sort of a top down vision is probably good for a founder.

Roy: 1:28:40

Yeah, absolutely. And I've spent like last couple of weeks talking to a ton of lawyers and accountants to like, figure out the optimal way to structure everything. Because I also think it's down. It was not fun until the like most recent call, because I find I found a couple of lawyers I was like, and they got it and like they understand crypto and NFT's and then they know all about the space and DAOs

Jaime: 1:29:03

are amazing my sister's thing but yeah, so now I'm really excited about on checkout. Oh,

Roy: 1:29:12

yeah. Oh, I was talking to one I think lawyer and his conversations going great. I was like, Oh, he gets it. And then he talked about you know, the expensive NFT's the the cyberpunks. I was like, oh,

Jaime: 1:29:26

it's awesome. Pretty good con artists to have you convinced that they knew what they were talking about for that long? Yeah,

Roy: 1:29:32

yeah. Yeah. He was like, oh, yeah, we've have lots of companies to crypto and yeah, DAOS and I'm all about NFT's and yeah, I'm Cyberpunks Oh, well. Yeah, that's that's a

Jaime: 1:29:44

very big, exactly what happened. Yes. You're basically

Roy: 1:29:47

yeah, that's, that's my ZenAcademy update.

Jaime: 1:29:52

Very cool. Cool. Now we should we think of a word for the POAP.

Roy: 1:29:58

We should should we should We play that game. What do you think? Do

Jaime: 1:30:02

you play that game sparingly, so it's still special? I don't know that we need to play it. Or maybe it could be a q&a only episode thing.

Roy: 1:30:10

I was looking forward to it.

Jaime: 1:30:12

I know you are. Hmm. We could.

Roy: 1:30:15

I think we should. Okay. Okay. Gotta think what know if it feels like we're getting too much then we can we can do it sparingly. Or we could also think of other games to other ways to figure out the thing. You seem like you're deep in thought.

Jaime: 1:30:33

I have a word.

Roy: 1:30:35

I don't. Okay, I have a word

Jaime: 1:30:39

3, 2, 1, CRYPTO.

Roy: 1:30:45

Ocean.

Jaime: 1:30:45

Oh, I think we got this one.

Roy: 1:30:47

Oh, really? I don't um,

Jaime: 1:30:50

I say it but it's this one is more obvious.

Roy: 1:30:54

Yeah. How was it? Okay,

Jaime: 1:31:00

you're gonna feel like an idiot if you don't get it to you ready? Yep, 3, 2, 1... Opensea!

Roy: 1:31:07

Tezos!

Jaime: 1:31:13

This is very good. So it's where you have completely blown it. I don't even know. How is tezos...

Roy: 1:31:19

Because ocean is environmentally environmentally friendly. Crypto... Opensea that makes makes sense. Alright, so we got Tezos and we're close though now who? more pepper coffee

Jaime: 1:31:34

coffee. Okay, I got my answer I guess.

Roy: 1:31:39

All right. Me too... 3, 2, 1... ART!

Jaime: 1:31:44

HEN! Did you say art?

Roy: 1:31:47

Yeah, I said ART. Tezos plus Opensea

Jaime: 1:31:51

the market the open sea

Roy: 1:31:54

does anyone still use hen? Yes, they like the Mako

Jaime: 1:32:00

A yes they do. B...

Roy: 1:32:02

were not in the 1960s Jamie Alright, what do we got odd and hen? Oh, okay. I got it. This one is obvious. 3, 2, 1... FXHash...

Jaime: 1:32:18

John!

Roy: 1:32:20

What did you say?

Jaime: 1:32:21

John the windows guy...

Roy: 1:32:23

FX hash art and hen...

Jaime: 1:32:28

John John was actually hard on it it's much better

Roy: 1:32:33

John All right John and FX harsh

Jaime: 1:32:38

I wish I could think of a generative artist whose name is John easily All right, I got it. i So don't have it that I don't even want to continue I'm also disgusted that you didn't get sugar last time and didn't get open sea last time. That no,

Roy: 1:33:00

you think it's so you don't think it sugar you think Pepper

Jaime: 1:33:04

it's you're doing one of the things it's two it's salt and coffee?

Roy: 1:33:09

Well salt is a pepper.

Jaime: 1:33:11

Salt. wouldn't need to go to pepper next because whatever it

Roy: 1:33:14

coffee is pepper is a spice coffee is in there the dark black color pepper is dark black color.

Jaime: 1:33:21

Oh hold on is your argument is that salt and pepper are both spices as an coffee is or is not both is not a spice? Salt is not a spice?

Roy: 1:33:32

I don't think so. No. Salt is not a spice.

Jaime: 1:33:34

Is sugar spice? What makes a spice?

Roy: 1:33:37

Well no maybe salt is my sugar is one of them was not a spice.

Jaime: 1:33:44

I guess we're still doing this and it's John and FX hash right now.

Roy: 1:33:48

Yeah. I got mine.

Jaime: 1:33:51

I'm so upset with you. I do not have one.

Roy: 1:33:55

How are we so bad at this? We

Jaime: 1:33:59

We? Disagree? Disagree 100% that we are so bad at this I think one of either agreement. Although right now I feel bad. Because I can't come up with NFP. Like

Roy: 1:34:10

there's an obvious one.

Jaime: 1:34:12

between John and FX hash. Yes. Okay, I'll go for it.

Roy: 1:34:19

Ready? Okay. Yeah.

Jaime: 1:34:20

3, 2, 1... Windows!

Roy: 1:34:23

Generative art. Okay, generative art and Windows. Was this is this is tricky. Once a generative art project that has windows in it. Okay, I think I got mine

Jaime: 1:34:50

I'm gonna stop Okay, generous art, windows. That's where we're at. Yeah,

Roy: 1:34:58

that's right.

Jaime: 1:35:01

Are you ready? Uh huh. I like this a whole. Three. There's 3, 2, 1... processing.

Roy: 1:35:12

neighborhoods!

Jaime: 1:35:14

Neighborhood. Council processing. Yeah. neighborhoods and processing. Okay, I got my 321 Jeff Davis gingery century and Jeff. I think we got this one Casey right here that's a that was. That was actually kind of gratifying.

Roy: 1:35:42

Guy. Yeah. You got that. And we were

Jaime: 1:35:46

saying it, it felt like cheating. But that one was obvious, I think.

Roy: 1:35:49

Yeah, that was obvious. So that is a CASEY REAS.

Jaime: 1:35:53

One word together. smushed toghether C A S E Y R E A S. caseyreas.

Roy: 1:36:05

correct. And we will, we're still figuring out the POAP thing is like as getting all sort of issues with it.

Jaime: 1:36:15

They're seemingly swamped and not quite as easy to get as many as you want and get them distributed. atleast We are hoping but people are seemingly very interested in collecting them. Excuse me. Oh, nice. Yeah. Yeah. And now he goes work for it.

Roy: 1:36:35

Yeah, so we did. We did it. Right. We finally did it. From what do we start with crypto and ocean to Casey Reas.

Jaime: 1:36:47

Boy, just just dwell on the fact that you did not get open. See there that is?

Roy: 1:36:53

I admit that was a bit nervous. I

Jaime: 1:36:55

thank you. I appreciate that admission. That's something that you struggle with. I

Roy: 1:37:00

I would like you to admit that you have just said pepper.

Jaime: 1:37:03

I should not have in the

Roy: 1:37:04

future in the future if we get coffee and salt.

Jaime: 1:37:11

Do not tell me that I should say pepper. Not really

Roy: 1:37:13

showing up. Well, yeah, it's I don't know. I think you should.

Jaime: 1:37:18

The Internet clearly agreed that sugar is the correct answer.

Roy: 1:37:21

But it was 5050 of the vote

Jaime: 1:37:23

that in your in your poll that is not an accurate representation. In every time humans used words to talk to us about it. They all said I agree with Jaime. It's obviously sugar. I was yelling.

Roy: 1:37:35

I heard a few people say pepper.

Jaime: 1:37:37

No, you didn't. Those people are like the Joker. They just want to watch the world burn if they even exist, and I don't believe that they do.

Roy: 1:37:45

They were just my alt accounts like beanie had infinite alt accounts just like right right? Yeah.

Jaime: 1:37:50

This has been episode 29 The first recorded video episode of Two Bored Apes.

Roy: 1:37:56

Thanks for watching slash listening.

Intro: 1:38:01

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh