Episode 33 - Biden’s Executive Order, Art Blocks and is this Fidenza green or gray?

Jaime: 0:00

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Intro: 0:11

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jaime: 0:29

Welcome to Episode 33 of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jamie and I'm here with my friend and cohost Roy. Roy, how are you?

Roy: 0:36

I'm really good. I just finished a perfectly proportioned meal. I didn't... it wasn't a large meal. It wasn't... it was good.

Jaime: 0:44

I actually just had a meal myself.

Roy: 0:47

Great. You have a nice hogwats mug there? Hogwarts? Gryffindor?

Jaime: 0:53

Yeah, technically, this is ..., I have a Ravenclaw one myself, but sturdy. Um, let's talk about what we just say. What did what did you have?

Roy: 1:02

I had some leftover Thai food. It was a a prawn curry, basically.

Jaime: 1:08

Hmm. I like Thai food...

Roy: 1:10

Did I say Thai? I meant Vietnamese.

Jaime: 1:14

You did say Thai. I like the enemy's food too. I made a kanji I had some kanji and some airfryer chicken wings.

Roy: 1:23

Oh, that sounds delicious.

Jaime: 1:25

It was delicious. Um, should we talk about, like the things people...

Roy: 1:29

Noo, let me just... I want to sidetrack a little bit more. I recorded an episode of overpriced JPEGs with a Carly earlier, another podcast. And at the beginning, she like I don't That's funny. I enjoy it. When they go off topic... know, we were talking about something slightly off topic. And then she was like, you know, I hate when podcasts do that, lets jump right in... I enjoy it too. From both perspectives. I enjoy listening to podcast that do that and just doing it ourselves. Rachel is telling me I'm being too loud.

Jaime: 2:09

My wife's actually working at her office today instead of out of the house. So I don't have to worry about that.

Roy: 2:14

Oh, what a treat.

Jaime: 2:16

Tell me about it. Very, very rare these days. But yeah, starting to kind of get back into the theoretical post COVID world?

Roy: 2:25

Yeah.

Jaime: 2:26

Now, are we ready to actually jump into the thing or no?

Roy: 2:28

I think so. Let's talk NFTs.

Jaime: 2:30

Ready, set, news of the weeeeek. I think I just heard a beep in my headphones is everything fine?

Roy: 2:40

I can hear you.

Jaime: 2:41

Okay, I can hear you. The news of the week we got written down here that Biden signed a relatively favorable executive order. It's kind of not it's sort of not news though. Because like the the fact that it was going to happen, was leaked weeks ago. And the leak basically said that it was going to be exactly what it is, which is that he's saying "Hey, this is too much of a burgeoning space for us to act like it's, it doesn't exist. And to have every single agency in the entirety of the United States government, just kind of guessing, as well as their citizens about every single aspect of, you know, the legality and how he interacts with with the existing financial system and all that shit." So basically, he's just commissioned the government, you know, various specific subsets of it, to study this space, and you know, how it can affect national security, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But basically, it was like, very, to me expected and sort of even keeled. And, you know, certainly not any of the nasty stuff that people might have feared it would be now, they're definitely talking about things like, you know, preventing illicit activity and, you know, like tax evasion, a sanction, avoiding ramifications, but it's like, that's going to happen is that they're going to have to consider the negative effects of it and and say that we're considering the negative effects and some, some of the crypto proponents would want them to be, you know, ignoring the fact that those are possible or going wrong. You know, that can happen with US dollars, too. So why are we even talking about with crypto, but that's not a reasonable position to be in. But yeah, that was that was the biggest thing. And it is overall good, I'd say.

Roy: 4:48

Yeah, no, I mean, so I didn't know that the content or the substance of the executive order was like relatively leaked or known in advance. I knew that a few weeks ago he was it was announced that he was going to sign one of those, like a lot of uncertainty about what it was going to be there.

Jaime: 5:05

there was but now that we've seen exactly what it is, it's the news basically fictitious. Yes. It's funny too, because the executive order you think of, or I don't know how much non US residents think of executive orders. Theoretically, you're thinking of it as a quick way to sort of circumvent Congress because you can kind of get an action without actually having to have a law pass. But this one is basically just the executive action is, let's research this. There's like, nothing has changed. Really, other than, you know, we have some sort of official communique from the government about their interest in figuring all this out.

Roy: 5:44

Yeah. That's good. It makes sense. To me, it sounds positive. Like there's other acknowledging it as a very real thing. Yeah.

Jaime: 5:55

And are sort of acknowledging the fact that not sort of falling behind or being regressive about it is very relevant to America's ability to still be a world power going forward. And so they're, you know, they're just not they're not taking a hardline anti crypto stance, which I think is good for the goose and the gander. Um, but I wanted to mention, did you hear about South Korea? Or if it was one other place that is less relevant? Maybe, but South Korea just elected a new I think President who's like explicitly pro crypto.

Roy: 6:33

Oh, nice.

Jaime: 6:34

That's also politically relevant. But it's just it does seem like the mainstream acceptance and adoption is happening so fast lately.

Roy: 6:43

Yeah, it kind of has to because it's just in the zeitgeist so much and has been for the last year. And I think it's very easy to say that from within our bubbles, but even outside of it, I'm hearing, you know, people talking about crypto and more specifically NFTs. Because, you know, celebrities and sports stars, and like it was on Saturday Night Live for crying out loud.

Jaime: 7:06

Coinbase had a Superbowl ad and...

Roy: 7:08

Yeah, Staples Center renamed to crypto.com.

Jaime: 7:13

Yeah. Did we talk on the podcasts are all about basically the Canadian government's dealings with the banks, as well as the the US government

Roy: 7:26

I think we touched on in the last episode, but not a lot.

Jaime: 7:30

The US one stuff is new, though, as far as Russian reserve currencies and stuff, which is wild. And I don't think we really want to get sidetracked too far. But it's it basically is just more evidence that I'm some sort of money that... I just stabbed myself, oh my God. Oh, my God.

Roy: 8:00

Did you just stabbed yourself?

Jaime: 8:01

What... yes, I have attention deficit disorder, and You're gonna... you're gonna bleed out during the podcast I'm playing with my little pocket knife in my hand, and I just stabbed myself that I'm going to be fine, though. I'm going to play through it... now? There is a tiny bit of blood coming out. Not a bit, I just stabbed myself. It is just back to what I was actually saying. It's more evidence that it makes sense to have a form of money that is not beholden to the whims of a government because, you know, you can think whatever you want about Russia's behavior in Ukraine, but the ability for the United States to basically rug all of the money that's held here and sort of the ramifications that has for the ruble, it's like, you have the rubles, which is, you know, its value, you have to rely on the Russian government behaving well. And then you have to rely on the US government to not go back at the Russian government if they don't behave well. And it's like, that's a lot of layers of trust of people. You shouldn't be trusting. Yeah, in order for your money to stay valuable. You know, and then, like I alluded to, and I guess we did talk about the Canada's ability to just freeze people's bank accounts, if they donate to people who they don't like, and it's just more evidence that a decentralized currency is a a thing that a lot of people will want. And, you know, there's talk now of sort of the world financially speaking, sort of fracturing into a US led, Western bloc, and then a sort of a China led Eastern Bloc, where they are both just kind of being financially very obstinate with, you know, people who side with the others and I'm not being friendly with the way they allow them to use money and sort of interact financially. And now crypto is showing all these people that there's, you know, a third option that is not tied to any of them.

Roy: 10:20

Yeah, it's it's bullish for crypto for Bitcoin for Etherium either, maybe you seem to have become more of like a proponent of Bitcoin lately if I'm reading...

Jaime: 10:35

Yes, sort of. I mean, I haven't bought any, so not that much. Yeah. But certainly the simplicity of it. And sort of the, you know, like the value proposition of it is, to me, direct... I cannot believe I stabbed myself like that.... is directly related to basically these exact geopolitical things that are happening right now. And for so long, I would say that the value proposition of Bitcoin was highly theoretical, but it's becoming much more real lately, in my mind. And so in that sense, it I find it temporarily a bit more interesting. But, you know, I still think ether is more interesting. They're creating a whole separate economy, on the Ethereum blockchain. That is just it's much more interesting, and it still has the same to me again, you know, Bitcoin Maxis definitely have a different opinion. But to me, it still has the same quality of being, you know, hands off or, or not susceptible to the whims of these large banks or governments or whatever powerful entities you want to, to look at?

Roy: 11:54

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that definitely makes sense. I'm also becoming more bullish on Bitcoin. But I also have not bought any.

Jaime: 12:05

I'm gonna walk away from the screen for one second. Okay. Just keep talking.

Roy: 12:09

Jamie's gonna hopefully not bleed out. Hum, all right. What else do we have on our list? Maybe we'll wait till Jamie gets back to talk about to where the next thing.

Jaime: 12:23

All right. I got an alcohol wipes. I can disinfect the wounds. I just gave myself our podcasting.

Roy: 12:40

Yes, I don't think we spoke about it too much last time about the war, you know, Russia invading Ukraine. Right, I believe.

Jaime: 12:50

Yeah. And now that falls under the random stuff category of the podcast.

Roy: 12:55

I guess. I mean, slightly news of the week. It's, it's certainly news, maybe not this week, per se. But yes, last time, we recorded a regular podcast...

Jaime: 13:06

This is not a news podcast, news of the week is supposed to mean within the crypto space. I thought Yeah, I mean, you we can tie it in, though, like Ukraine, for instance, gave out a Bitcoin and an Etherium address and said, Hey, feel free to donate to us, which is like, wild. I don't know that a country at war has ever just solicited donations from random global citizens before, nor have they really had a way to do it so easily. Which is kind of wild.

Roy: 13:33

Yeah. And there was a lot of people saying, oh, has their Twitter account been hacked? You know? And yeah,

Jaime: 13:41

it was right thing to be suspicious, but they Yeah, firm that it's that this is us? Yeah. Yeah, we're gonna use this money to buy weapons of war to defend ourselves. Yeah.

Roy: 13:53

It sort of spooked the whole, a lot of markets. And the war definitely felt that. Yeah, we definitely felt that in nfts and in crypto, there was like a 24 hour period where everything was just crashing and burning. And people were like, yeah, afraid and liquidating. Seems to have stabilized though a bit. Yeah.

Jaime: 14:12

It's also sort of an interesting thing to where, you know, and gold falls in the same category. But the types of events globally speaking, that ought to confirm the value proposition of things like gold or like crypto, often, the market just doesn't care. Just kind of everything goes down. Even though theoretically, the events are something that the proponents of these assets would say are things that prove their worth or increase their worth. And definitely, I saw a lot of people on Twitter sort of saying like, if this is not the sort of thing that is bullish for crypto, what is but you know, there's just so much correlation on all assets. Really?

Roy: 15:01

Yeah. Like, it might be bullish for crypto. And there might be a small subset of people who saw that and we're like, Hey, this is great crypto, but there's just so many speculators and so many people who are just in it for the money, or just like, overexposed and so any thing that might spook them just yeah poses an overreaction. And anyway,

Jaime: 15:24

and to like, you know, if you think about the scariest escalation possibilities of the war, the assets of that's good for is like, you know, yeah, defense stocks, and that's about it. Right. I don't, I don't...

Roy: 15:37

canned goods...

Jaime: 15:39

Right, ammunition. Yeah, that that kind of shit. It doesn't necessarily mean that ether. Is is good, because I don't. How much fun are we going to have with defi and NFTs? When there's a Global Thermonuclear War? Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, nuclear nerds might go up, right, that's an that's an NFT project that might just be more popular...

Roy: 15:59

Oh I want to buy some of those. I remember they were at like, one ish, eighth. And I'd felt that I missed it. And if they get back down, like point five, I'm gonna buy and then... yeah, and they're point three now.

Jaime: 16:15

Speaking of everything tanking, I feel good that I managed to sell my cat and my mute. And when I did, and sort of bad that I sold my, didn't sell my ape I should say, where I didn't, because at 119... Oof, the floor was 119. So theoretically, with, you know, the toga being a somewhat rare trait, I could have maybe got 130 or something. You know, I was listed for more than I could reasonably get but that would have been a hell of a short term moved. There. And now here, but it's just it's so expensive. I don't think it would have ever got back in and I like to own it and be in it. So, you know, in the long term, probably good that I didn't but temporarily, I'm feeling a little bit like Oof... I kind of wish I sold there.

Roy: 17:02

Yeah. Should we probably transition to the Bored Ape section?

Jaime: 17:08

Bored Ape Yatch Cluuuub... I guess we just talked about it a bit, right. I did when prices have been going down a lot.

Roy: 17:21

Yeah. For a period. Punks flipped Apes again.

Jaime: 17:27

Oh, yeah. I know It was getting close. I didn't...

Roy: 17:29

It fell to like 65 or something. It was quite similar to the last time Oh, when punks flipped Apes. It wasn't necessarily due to Apes going up a lot. It was because punks kept coming down. Yeah. And now the same thing happened. Apes 120, and then they came down to like 65. They bounced back now. They're like 75ish, I think. But yeah, definitely down a lot from all time highs, apes, mutants, dogs. Yeah. Which is the whole market is bearish at the moment. It's been bearish for a while and a lot of projects have been bleeding and then the quote unquote, blue chips is no exception. Yeah. I don't know the last couple of days. So it seems like things are recovering a bit and bouncing back. But

Jaime: 18:20

the unique holders chart just keeps going up, though. It's like a beautiful thing to say. I don't know if you've looked at it lately.

Roy: 18:27

I have not... I'm going to you know, I can try. I can pull it up. That's the beauty of... Yeah. If I can figure it out. Are we. Anyway, what else Ape coin. Like they said q1...

Jaime: 18:47

They did say Q1. Three weeks. They've got about 20 days left to three weeks. Yeah, yeah.

Roy: 18:55

I'm hearing rumors that it's going to be delayed. You hearing this rumors?

Jaime: 18:58

I am hearing them. I think there was some sort of vague scare about projects that basically just have roadmaps being unregistered securities is sort of the simplistic answer to it. And that these sort of ERC 20 tokens that are associated with them are a kind of good indication or you know, good, good target basically for, you know, just legislating or ruling these things to be not just a fun, collectible or whatever. Um, obviously, when they announced this a while ago, they were very cognizant of the legal concerns and said, specifically, you know, anybody can make any ERC 20. But to make one that is compliant, and actually has use cases is not so easy, and we're taking our time, so I'm not particular really concerned about it, but I think that the market has been. And as I've talked about for a lot of episodes in a row, I just felt like in general, the profile picture market, there's just so much supply that has high floors that seemed overall unsustainable. And, you know, even the projects that this sort of goes back to we were talking about a few minutes ago, about all assets being so correlated, you know, even even the projects that are like definitely going to survive, when, when everything is is feeling bearish. And people are liquidating. Those are going to go down as well, you know, for all sorts of reasons. So it's not very surprising at all, to me that we're having a large scale pullback. I mean, the the bullishness in the profile picture marketing, like January was so high. Yeah. And definitely...

Roy: 20:54

And it just came out of nowhere, right? Yeah, semi was bearish. And then January one hit, and boom,

Jaime: 21:00

it was definitely not going to be able to be sustained forever. And yeah, so there we go. It just keeps going up.

Roy: 21:07

Yeah, this is unique, all those says Max, but then it goes back to November, which is not, I guess, maybe since they started tracking it. But yeah. What happened on February 20? It just like maybe one account came in and swept like, Huh. 28 or something?

Jaime: 21:29

Yeah, I don't remember anything specifically, that would have happened there. But

Roy: 21:33

yeah. But yeah,

Jaime: 21:36

It could have also been something where, for whatever reason, somebody that owned a bunch across a bunch of wallets like consolidated, maybe? Unclear.

Roy: 21:44

Yeah, true. Actually look at the number listed. That's also it's been gone down. And then this massive thing is when I think opensea migrated contracts. And then yeah, has to be people have slowly been listing again, and then it's been gone down yet. That's not many listed several 100, even before that. 1000. So it's a low number.

Jaime: 22:04

And, you know, people have to talk about this, when they're talking about the numbers listed. But of that, you know, 20% of them are listed at just ridiculous mean prices are something that are never going to be hit. So yeah. In terms of the ones listed at actual real marketish prices. It is even lower than that. Yeah. But it is annoying when people talk about that specifically as if it's a bullish trait for their project. Because like, yeah, yeah, every project was was that are listed for 1000 eth or whatever, that are not worth that. So yours isn't special.

Roy: 22:43

Yeah. Uh, is anything else happening in the ape world that you want to touch them?

Jaime: 22:49

Um, have we recorded since the interview? I think we have actually.

Roy: 22:54

Yeah, we spoke about that...

Jaime: 22:55

We just watched it and then recorded shortly after our last Yeah, a few times ago. I think that's gonna be about it then. Cool. Bored Ape Yatch Cluuuub.

Roy: 23:10

Artblooockss and generative art in general... Hmm, it's been a little bit of a slow period in terms of I don't think there's been a curated drop for several weeks. No one up looks.

Jaime: 23:26

Yes, that sounds right. Yeah, entretiempos would be the last one.

Roy: 23:33

Yeah. Which really cool drop. I think you're out lately. Hey, yeah. Yeah.

Jaime: 23:41

Was it yesterday or two days ago that I bought on notice yesterday? Right.

Roy: 23:45

I have no idea.

Jaime: 23:48

I think it was. Yeah, I was I was going through. So just a little bit of a step back my day to day time. As far as NFTs are concerned, what I've been doing a lot, you know, lately is is making loan offers on NFTfi in terms of just spending time doing stuff and bidding on various collections. But I basically got a bunch of those loans accepted and then did not have really any eth to work with. Or not super liquid. So I had some in my vault that I'm kind of holding back a little bit for potential scary tax bills and stuff, but I decided I needed to do something else with my time since I didn't, I didn't have the STB offering. So I decided I'm going to look at some of these projects that I like but don't have any pieces of and just go piece by piece through the whole project and find my favorite pieces so that I can have you know, shopping lists. And so I went through the first 200 pieces from the newest curated drop that we just talked about, entretiempos by Marcelo Soria Rodriguez and I just kind of jotted down my favorite ones.

Roy: 25:00

And how many out of the 200 did you drop down?

Jaime: 25:03

I can pull that up for you within a moment. Let's see here.

Roy: 25:09

That sounds that's a fun job.

Jaime: 25:11

Like it was, it was a lot of fun. Yeah. Let's see, here we go. So from the first 200, and it was not easy to do, because it's, it's so subjective. And there's no exact way to measure how much I like it, and how interesting I think the pieces or whatever, but I ended up with 46 of them that I had jotted down as being ones that I was. And my plan was basically to go through it and then kind of give myself a couple days off or something and then kind of go through again, and any that didn't stick out to me still, I could just drop off the list. Yeah, make it a bit shorter. But so I had 46 of them noted down there. And then two of them specifically as ones that like, you know, were seemed Grail ish to me. And one of them was owned by somebody who there's no way I was going to be able to get it from them. It was AC which is, yeah, three arrows capital. I think. So I was like,

Roy: 26:12

I think it might be different people.

Jaime: 26:14

Either way, it's just one of these wallets where you go, Okay, you have yesterday, sub scapes 20 years, it's been against us, like, you're not going to sell this to me for pricing, I can offer it. But this other one was owned by somebody who, you know, also had a very nice wallet, but they were more of a reasonable, real hot wallet, so to speak, in terms of my ability to possibly get it from so I looked up who they were on Twitter and contacted them and ended up buying it for like basically 5x the floor. And that was actually a lot quicker than I expected it to happen. I was planning on kind of just getting these lists and then kind of continually bidding on all of them. But when I found the ones that stood out even from the ones that I felt were standouts, I figured why not just like what, what is my long term goal here, it's your fire, like sort of the best the best art from these collections. And here's a chance to do it without having to spend all that time or posting the art blocks discord over and over again. Here's what I'm interested in. Here's what I got to trade. So I just need to deal with the guy.

Roy: 27:21

Do you... was it purely just the ones that you thought looked good? Or you look at ones that looked like different? Or had rare traits...

Jaime: 27:29

Oh, so it was you know, the definitely the first thing is that I thought it was good, but also, I definitely had ones that I was just kind of putting down because they were such unique mints, or, or at least interesting mints. Separate to some degree from me finding them really aesthetically pleasing. If I was better at sharing my screen, I could show you but I so I have three columns token Id No. And then Grail were my three columns. And then so in note, I specifically would write down kind of what about that piece made it stand down? And so some of them I just wrote things like strange or what do we got here? To monochrome with just black outline. So it's like it is what it sounds like but there was very very few

Roy: 28:24

What ID is that one? I'll bring it up.

Jaime: 28:26

Okay that's a good that's a good idea. Number 154

Roy: 28:33

a moment, please play some... do you do do doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo?right right. Yep, fine people I believe so. Yeah. All right, let me just share it because it's gonna render where are we

Jaime: 29:04

well, maybe I should have done the screen sharing you're not doing great at this right now.

Roy: 29:07

No, I got it. There we go. This one and then we load 154

Jaime: 29:19

So that one was very unique, most of them have you know, basically these shapes are filled in with colors and a large variety of colors. So anyone that has non filled in was kind of unique anyway, and as far as background colors that that was also a unique one so I just I jotted it down and just kind of kept it kept it moving because to go through 1000 Just for this project was going to take a long time so just interesting in different enough or I quite liked it. I would I would put it down.

Roy: 29:52

What's your idea of the one that you bought?

Jaime: 29:55

114 is the one I bought. I was gonna say the other one that I thought was really great but didn't seem like I'd ever be able to, to get from you. Oh,

Roy: 30:03

this one's really cool. Yeah, you showed me this one. Yeah, I did. And the top right corner as well.

Jaime: 30:10

Yeah, that's gonna keep developing to it. The colors really reminded me of a was silly Kandinsky that I that I really like that I can also actually send to you and you can display if you want. Sure.

Roy: 30:23

My only knowledge of Kandinsky is from that modern family episode where? Well,

Jaime: 30:32

you don't remember that one.

Roy: 30:34

Hmm, Cam, Mitchell. Uh, Alex and Manny go to like a museum. And it's like a competition like to who's the smartest? And then oh, yeah, it's funny. Cam is meant to be on a Kandinsky exhibit. And then he memorizes everything about Kandinsky and then they were like, all the exhibit is that was very and then he's like, Oh, let me just I'll just leave and then. Yeah,

Jaime: 31:00

I love that show.

Roy: 31:02

It's a great show. Yeah.

Jaime: 31:06

I'm kind of questioning now though, like as far as my plan to, to sort of search these out if I want to keep going with this collection now that I found one that I I love sufficiently so the colors just reminded me of this particular painting so much that I really love and, and a lot of the palettes in the entretiempos were not to my liking there was there's a lot that were but this particular one was was really nice. And also immediately just reminded me of this, which was cool. There's a lot of great sort of monochrome yellow one. So why don't you pull up 157 That was the other one that I was thinking. I would really love to have this but but is owned by whoever AC is. Yeah, with the crazy wallet.

Roy: 32:00

157 Oh, yeah. Wow, this is really cool.

Jaime: 32:06

Yeah. And I definitely kind of enjoy collecting by sort of color. Like I remember when I had all the elementals I had sort of a nice gradient going from from light to dark across it. And I kind of want to start having some more pieces in my collection that I can kind of arrange like that. Um, and that would have been a great one for that.

Roy: 32:32

Elemental floor is...

Jaime: 32:34

1.0 pretty close.

Roy: 32:39

Yeah, and then it goes to 1.74 and then 2.25.

Jaime: 32:42

Yeah, we've been talking lately about the fineness of some of these art blocks curated floors art wildsnow crazy.

Roy: 32:48

Yeah. There was a sale yesterday at point eight, eight and last sale before that was a month ago.

Jaime: 32:59

Wow. Hmm.

Roy: 33:01

Apparently I bought one two months ago. That's funny. Yeah. This is this is my element. And you don't remember. I have no recollection of buying this. It sounds like something I would do

Jaime: 33:15

Yeah, definitely does. Buy artblocks. You've been known though. to do that for sure. Yeah, I just I bought a ton of stuff on FX hash today. I've been sort of meaning to get back on the tezos blockchain and I finally did and I bought a bunch of shit today. Shit is dismissive and wrong term. But stuff aren't. I should call it that shit. art that I think is good, which is quite different.

Roy: 33:43

This feels so that

Jaime: 33:45

there's a 20 editions of that. But one of those 20 is mine. And I bought it today.

Roy: 33:50

It's so nice.

Jaime: 33:51

I love it. I can't afford the garden monoliths. But I can get some of these lush temples that are addition pieces. And I think that was friggin beautiful. So I got it. Yeah.

Roy: 34:03

How much is it? How much did you pay for it?

Jaime: 34:07

I paid four or 500 I think. Wow. And I think it was the last one that was in that price. Yeah. And then after I did it, that listing just happened after I bought I believe I don't think it was even listed.

Roy: 34:21

Yeah, actually, you bought it for 300. Yeah...

Jaime: 34:26

I don't that's not what that means.

Roy: 34:29

That's offers, sorry, right. Whoa,

Jaime: 34:32

I offered an offer like a month ago or something maybe

Roy: 34:40

this is fun. We can go through your collection. Yeah,

Jaime: 34:43

that's a good idea. If you do recently received like it already defaulted to you can actually see what I bought specifically today.

Roy: 34:51

Nice. These look these look really cool.

Jaime: 34:55

Yeah, I like them. They remind me of unit grids. They're they're very affordable. version of unit grid sort of

Roy: 35:06

object calm not showing its best site at the moment.

Jaime: 35:10

No bits a bit slow there. You might be able to get a quick run effects hash. But yeah, it's also not a super responsive site.

Roy: 35:23

That's not the right thing. This is terrible video podcasting. And even worse, or

Jaime: 35:32

even more terrible for audio. Yeah.

Roy: 35:37

In general, it's been a while. Prices seem to be going up again. Without...

Jaime: 35:42

Yeah, I have not paid attention to them. Because I literally the reason is, I could not remember what the password was to my wallet. So I just kind of ignored it for months until I finally got to work figuring it out. So I went through this whole list today, actually, when I went shopping, and just look at every one of those collections to see which ones I liked enough to bother collecting from, and I probably bought from five or six of them.

Roy: 36:13

It's a lot of green, especially at the top.

Jaime: 36:15

Yeah. Or pseudo top.

Roy: 36:21

Yeah. gotten a little blurry. A bunch of these I've just never heard of. So I guess they're more recent and either released since I stopped collecting or just blew up.

Jaime: 36:41

Yeah, well, I mean, there's so many every single time that they open. Yeah. There's, there's no real way even if you're paying close attention to know of everything. And obviously, you have attention that's divided amongst many things besides FX hash. Hmm. So you're even less likely to be able to do it. Yeah. But boy, do I love collecting on there. Because it's just, again, we I mean, we've talked about this before, but it's so affordable to be able to get tons and tons of art Yeah, in a way that is just there. There's nothing else like it that I can think of really. Yeah. And, you know, if you went to sort of a like, like a flea market in real life, or whatever, you might be able to get comparably priced art but you'd have six different artists or something worth you know, to choose from, and it would all be physical, which is there, there's pros and cons to it. But in terms of really being able to collect and display a lot of stuff, it just becomes very overwhelming and restrictive to try and do it all physical, which is honestly the thing that's most exciting to me about collecting the stuff digitally is then you don't have to worry about where you're going to store it or display it because it's you know, it's yeah, it's just digital. It's just digital.

Roy: 38:09

Have you have you created any galleries with your FX hash art yet?

Jaime: 38:17

I have not but I definitely am thinking about it and I need to update my gallery got so one on the Ethereum stuff because I've gotten some new stuff since the last time I did it

Roy: 38:30

Yeah, I don't think they have tezos functionality yet.

Jaime: 38:33

Oh, I see. You went to yours and son of mine...

Roy: 38:37

Let's let's go to Jamie's let's go to Jamie's

Jaime: 38:41

I don't even it mean has suggested it. Yeah.

Roy: 38:51

It's a beautiful intro.

Jaime: 38:53

Thank you. Still need that Autumn fragment. I mean, I this is a recurring segment on the podcast, Jamie talks about how he needs autumn fragment. But I still do.

Roy: 39:04

I feel like you need another elementals as well. Just to

Jaime: 39:07

Yeah, and why I feel like I'm going to need another pigment. Because I like the way I've matched up the frags and the pigments. Yeah, it's so when I go...

Roy: 39:15

one more frag, two more Elementals....

Jaime: 39:17

Yeah. It is sort of annoying when you you don't have the exact amount of pieces. Yeah, the columns and you have to figure out how to separate them and stuff. But oh, that mutant and Oh, yeah. Yeah. And one of the Bitmaps and one of the blitnauts too.

Roy: 39:38

Mm hmm. Yep. How they doing?

Jaime: 39:42

Not great. Well the blitnauts are doing fine. But the blitmaps have been pulling back. Last I checked.

Roy: 39:49

Just kind of crazy. 2.3 for the blitnauts. 2.1 actually.

Jaime: 39:58

I wonder if that one's already sold.

Roy: 40:03

back down to five for the I will never. Yeah, understand how these are. Anyway,

Jaime: 40:12

it's it's so funny when people say stuff like that. It's like, yeah, it makes a ton of sense as long as you're comparing it to other NFT projects, but the second... You go, how can you not understand why only trading

Roy: 40:28

not worth $25,000? Yeah,

Jaime: 40:31

I mean, I remember specifically in a q&a episode, we had a person asking, why weren't robotto's worth more? And I was really having to go like, why are they worth this much? You know, it's yeah, it's a lot of money. Still, for an individual one of these. You might think it's undervalued, and it might well be especially relative to all this other stuff, but you need to have some perspective and go oh, yeah, I guess I can understand why it's only this much.

Roy: 40:58

Yeah. 17 eth ... monopolist. That was crazy.

Jaime: 41:04

Yeah, I mean, all every artblocks project you can say that about it. At this point. It was all so expensive. So so so crazy.

Roy: 41:19

I love artblocks.

Jaime: 41:21

I do too!

Roy: 41:26

Oh, I wonder how much Paper Armada are. I always want to get lots of them. But I can never get...

Jaime: 41:32

.3

Roy: 41:34

Yeah, that's that's quite reasonable. Point one!

Jaime: 41:40

As you're guessing. That's a good one. Yeah. To make collections of. Yeah, if you're interested in putting that much effort into it, though.

Roy: 41:54

No, I would love to like I got this archetype. And I'd love to get some more that like, yes, the color palettes a little bit better.

Jaime: 42:00

He's been posting some art that's like, definitely archetype like, but it's not our type and they're just It's great stuff. And it's it's, you know, what I like about it is we talked about like GEdupe before how all of his art is sort of similar. This I feels like he is and now I'm talking about Kay Gallen here is still making art where you go Oh, that is his art. It's recognizable as his art. But he's kind of expanding and, and evolving. In a way that's really pleasant. If you kind of look at what he's posted on like, you know, he's done some stuff on maybe foundation or superare or whatever, or his Instagram and stuff. You know, it's definitely got that kernel from archetype. But yeah, remember when we couldn't pronounce that? That was a fun thing.

Roy: 42:56

You still can't pronounce it.

Jaime: 42:57

Yeah, I don't know. But...

Roy: 43:00

Archetype.

Jaime: 43:02

That's how you think it is, or that's how you think it...

Roy: 43:05

That's how it is! You say archetype or archetype...

Jaime: 43:10

I don't want to say it out loud. Oh, so like this one right here is what I had recently. Yeah. Oh, man. Yeah, it's it's definitely of the same artist, but is definitely just the scale of it. Gives it a very different feel.

Roy: 43:32

Yeah, I just love the colors. The pastel colors, color.

Jaime: 43:37

Great palettes. Yeah. That's, that's more of the stuff where you go. This is great. This is that same artist but doing different.

Roy: 43:52

Art is great... art is really great.

Jaime: 43:56

And NFTs...

Roy: 43:57

Apologies to the podcast listeners. We're just scrolling through some. Some pictures here. But check us out on YouTube.

Jaime: 44:02

Yeah, I think Spotify probably too. I'm not sure. I mean, they definitely do video podcasts there. I don't know if ours is...

Roy: 44:11

This one is really cool. Yeah. Oh my god.

Jaime: 44:15

Yeah. I've been thinking a little bit about trying to collect one of his one of ones at some point, but maybe I'll just go get an archetype if they pull back far enough.

Roy: 44:26

Yeah, I wrote this set of paper models. Yeah, so you remember what,

Jaime: 44:35

like very early on in the podcast. So it was like, Ooh, our types are kind of getting low enough that I might be able to collect them. And then they moved way past where I could get them. And now they're coming down towards like, oh, maybe I could get one again.

Roy: 44:46

Yeah, I think they were like four to six. And then they just went up to like 60 or something. Yeah. And now the back down 11

Jaime: 44:55

North of 40 or whatever. Yeah,

Roy: 44:55

Hm what else we have this is has been a long section

Jaime: 45:05

We talked about snowfro thing... talking about thing my shot we didn't.

Roy: 45:09

We didn't we didn't talk about snofrow's update...

Jaime: 45:11

we talked about talking about it off air talked about talking about it Yeah. All right let's talk about it so

Roy: 45:16

alright let's talk about let me I want to share it share screen so snowfro made an announcement that makes my wall of text announcements seem short, it is just Yeah. For those who are watching, you can see the text for those who aren't. It's like 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12-13-14 paragraphs and like hefty paragraphs, but we then get like a TLDR from druid, which I'm just gonna read it just to let everyone know who may not have been staying abreast of the art blocks world. Basically TLDR Adam Lindemann hosted a special event for karumi squiggles at Venus over Manhattan, it was amazing. We are building relationships with fine art organizations that see the importance of art blocks, we are growing our team with the best talent in the world, and always looking for more. We are connecting with the community in a meaningful and sometimes offline way. We are participating in some of the most important slash influential fine art events in the world, such as frieze LA and Art Basel, Miami, we are championing code base during generative art to the traditional art world. Art blocks pieces are joining the permanent collections of some of the biggest traditional art collectors. We are what we are still working towards our long term vision to elevate generative art. And then in terms of what's next more growing more events, more building more art. To me, when I read the I read sniffers thing, it's just it's very bullish. It was very much. I that's like, what when I think of what he's doing, that's sort of what I think he's doing just like running around

Jaime: 47:02

When you think of what he's doing. That's you, that's what you think he's doing? Is that what you just said? Yeah, what a terrible...

Roy: 47:08

Yeah, that makes sense. Right?

Jaime: 47:09

It does. But it's it also doesn't need to be said. Right. I guess maybe it does. Because you could say that's not what I thought he was doing. Right? Yeah, he basically is he's, he also like in the updates about his future, whatever it just, it sounds like he's traveling a ton to just talk to various people in the art community about what generative art is about how the blockchain is an interesting thing for art creators and art collectors. And specifically, art blocks is kind of placed in within that, and also, I guess, generative art as well. Because certainly, that's like a minor, minor subcategory. In the traditional art world, even though it's not, it's not nothing. But it's definitely a minority of traditional art.

Roy: 48:03

Yeah, I think he's very much playing the long game, understanding that in order for generative art NFTs, on the blockchain to really take off and to get in quote, unquote, traditional art collectors interested, it just doesn't happen. We can't just live in our own little bubble and keep putting out NFTs and just wait for them to come to us per se, like maybe eventually, yes, but there's so much power and importance in just showing the art and the work and the artists and highlighting them to like taking the out to them rather than hoping that they come to us,

Jaime: 48:47

right. And be and being able to give them not just the art itself, but an understanding of in what way this piece of art was created. And like here's some other pieces from the collection. So you get an idea of what is interesting about this piece individually and what is interesting about this collection as a whole and what is interesting about the process of generative art in general that allows us to create these.

Roy: 49:18

Yeah. So very exciting. It's I'm very bullish on on NFTs Jamie, I think NFTs have a bright future.

Jaime: 49:28

I do too. It's going to be interesting and and like Rocky, you know, there's it is a bummer how much some people have, you know, just wiggle their way into the space to take advantage of it and take advantage of sort of the bullishness and FOMO tendencies of some of the participants. But overall, it's just it's it's such a powerful thing that will will not stop. And it's really it seems to be the sort of killer app of crypto so to speak, that is actually really speed us up to widespread adoption, in a way that defy never really had a chance to because nobody cares about that kind of thing. It's not fun.

Roy: 50:18

It's not Yeah, again, it's like tech and finance nerds care about defi

Jaime: 50:25

right. And finance nerds are like, Yeah, I mean, it's like, yeah. encroaches on their territory. So, yeah, it's hard for them to adopt it, actually. Yeah.

Roy: 50:37

Somewhat related. Since we're talking about like, more adoption and mainstream adoption. I minted three NFT's yesterday. It cost me $1.17 gas per NFT, which is just like, on eth main net. Yeah.

Jaime: 50:52

Wow. That is amazing. I have seen people saying basically that gases that like eight month lows or whatever.

Roy: 50:59

Yeah. But even then, like the the optimization of these contracts, that yeah, we're coming up

Jaime: 51:05

with is a multi prong thing that's getting numbers. Yeah. Which is all we haven't even really,

Roy: 51:10

like layer twos aren't really fully here yet. shotting is not really a thing. So very optimistic

Jaime: 51:15

Layers twos are here. Right, let's

Roy: 51:16

That's seems they're here, but they're not like massively adopted. They're not taking a ton of activity away from layer ones.

Jaime: 51:23

Yeah, I guess. But certainly we don't have sharding. That is true. Yeah. I saw that. There was like the 10 million eth. Maybe got deposited into the proof of stake contract or whatever, for eth 2.0. Yeah. Something like that. That's that's a lot of eth, 10 million eth. Yeah, it was crazy. How much $25 billion locked up or something?

Roy: 51:55

Yeah. Good, good. Good for eth?

Jaime: 52:00

Yeah, yeah. I saw good thread on Twitter the other day, I think it might have actually been this morning, basically talking about the different ways to have a cryptocurrency really be able to stand on its own two feet and compete with the existing major fiat currencies. And they were basically talking about the two different approaches of Bitcoin, to just kind of really capture that store of value slash gold market, versus Aetherium, where it's, it's building its own ecosystem, that theoretically, if it becomes, you know, bigger than the GDP of almost any country or something, it's just you can't ignore how relevant that currency that, you know, all the transactions in that ecosystem use is. And it was it was very interesting, and gave me an appreciation for the sort of validity of the two approaches and and also the stark differences in what they're trying to do. Yeah. And, and, you know, this goes back to basically the very first segment, but for so long, I've been a firsthand witness of the Ethereum use case of, you know, building up that ecosystem that that economy within it, and on that blockchain that, you know, proves and and generates the value of Etherium. And now, very recently, I've been seeing sort of the way that some of these countries are acting and the ramifications on their fiat currencies and their geopolitical opponents fiat currencies and how that's so bullish for something like Bitcoin.

Roy: 53:56

Yeah. It's once you like, read stuff like that, and really take a look at what Bitcoin and Etherium are doing and and can like, kind of allow people to do, it's hard not to just be insanely long term bullish on them like 10 Year 50 year time horizon, it's just

Jaime: 54:21

yeah, there is something to me that's concerning about Bitcoin super long term. Because the you know, as that the rewards for mining get halved, over and over again, eventually, you're paying so little to secure the network that it seems like it would be difficult to actually have people running the nodes to mine and actually keep the network up and running. But those are, those are very distant problems. And I guess maybe the answer is just that, you know, Bitcoin will be worth it. 9 million per Bitcoin. So it's okay that the block reward is only one Bitcoin or something. Yeah, we don't know. Or maybe I don't I don't know what the reward is. I think I, it was 12 and a half and then came down to. Yeah, point two five last time, I think it is right now. So I don't know how long it would actually take to get down to one. But you get the idea.

Roy: 55:19

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah, long term problems, but a lot of time for very smart people to figure out solutions to them as well.

Jaime: 55:30

Yeah. This is the generative art segment. Should we wrap that up?

Roy: 55:35

Artblooocks. Our projects! Or my projects And then Jaime's...

Jaime: 55:46

funny anecdote?

Roy: 55:48

Yeah. Let's start with that. So abstract of the day is what we would, you know, we're talking about ZenAcademy and objects of the day. Yeah, we'll get to Zen Academy, what's going on with abstracts of the day, Jamie?

Jaime: 56:01

So we talked earlier, when we were looking at the number of apes listed that graph, you know, with the contract migration on opensea, basically, every single NFT on the entirety of their website got delisted unless you had migrated to the new contract early. And so after this happened, my collection abstract of the day, which had maybe you know, 20 of them listed, and only half of those were listed at reasonable prices. All those got delisted, you know, again, along with all these other projects, and then when it came back up with once we had fully migrated to the new contract, the abstract of the day floor was briefly it lasted about 18 hours, I think, higher than the fidenza for those been funny because basically those one person who listed one for 77 eth, and another one who had one listed for over 1000 eth. And that was it. And the floor at the time for fidenza was like 59 or 60. So that was that was just a fun thing I noticed about Yeah, that's it.

Roy: 57:10

That been a couple sales as well later. Yeah. Not for 70

Jaime: 57:15

Not for 70 eth. Not even close, but that's fine. Yeah. right. That was just a it was a funny thing to see. Yeah. Oh, speaking of Fidenzas and Tyler Hobbs. It turns out he and you're colorblind, you can't tell the difference between gray...

Roy: 57:34

So alright, since we're getting onto this topic, the other night, Rachel and I ran through...

Jaime: 57:39

By the way, hold on a second. We just finished off the art block segment about Bitcoin and Etherium. Now we've moved on to the our projects, we never go back to talk about art blocks project.

Roy: 57:51

That's correct. The other night, I'm trying to find the image to bring it up as well. The other night, Rachel and I are at dinner and we're talking about so we recently bought an apartment in Brisbane, we're moving back there to live in probably starting next year. And so will my decorating it and I was like you know, I can't wait to get put up so much art, we have so much art now that we can... that's the wrong thing. So much out and then you know, I was like, I love my fidenza and I want to and and then she's like lukewarm on on the fidenza. And so we started talking about it and...

Jaime: 58:31

It was you two or was there other people?

Roy: 58:34

No it's just the two of us. Okay, okay.

Jaime: 58:38

Its clearly gray. What the fuck?

Roy: 58:40

Oh, she said something about how the colors are just gray. And I was like no, that no, it's not gray. It's green. It's like it's like a dull it's like a greenish thing. And she's looking at me right now. Speaking this, but anyway, go to this back and forth. Is this gray or is it is it green? Which

Jaime: 58:59

Did you ask the waiter? Because that's the kind of thing that I would do.

Roy: 59:04

No, we should have. Yeah, one of they spoke English, but it's just no go to us. So we asked you or I asked you and I asked Will, another friend. And then you both said versions of gray and like pink and red and yellow, not yellow, red and pink. And then I was like, you know, I said let's tweet it and then see what other people say. And then I tweeted, specifically, I also@TylerHobbs. Just get his eyes on it. And he wrote back a very pretentious response. Let me find out what he said. He said, Actually, I can just share this as well. And I will Oh, no, that's the wrong thing. That's my whole screen. Let's Oh, God, I'm doing. I'm just gonna read it. I said, celadon, Tara Vertie, peach and amaranth...

Jaime: 1:00:10

One of those really sounds like a color peach. I've heard of the color peach before. Certainly,

Roy: 1:00:13

yeah. But I googled the first two. And they were basically just versions of green. And then I was like, I feel vindicated that I use the layman's term green. And then he was like, oh, yeah, definitely desaturated greens. It never occurred to me that anyone would perceive this as gray.

Jaime: 1:00:30

Well, but we all do Tyler, everybody, but you and Roy.

Roy: 1:00:33

not everyone. That way, not everyone. I mean, here's the thing, that there were a good number of people saying it green, green. And the response more people did say gray. Right?

Jaime: 1:00:45

If you are forcing me to say, what hue, is it closest to I guess I'll, I'll go default to a green, because there's a touch of that in that. But it's so desaturated, that to me, it's it's wild, that you would pick the word green over the word gray to be a simple single descriptor of what that color is. Well, no particularly cared about the artist is also saying some weird greens too.

Roy: 1:01:14

Well, Will also asked his girlfriend Bree, who taught color theory University and she also said versions of green, not gray. So I'm like, it's now me, Tyler Hobbs, Universe Z lecture lecturer of color theory versus Jaime, Rachel and a bunch of people on Twitter and on the internet, not every person.

Jaime: 1:01:44

I mean, this any? I don't remember if you are going to say that, you know, black and white and all the spectrum in between aren't colors at all. Okay, fine. I'll say some sort of green thing. You know, if you if you want to play that game, but I don't even know if they're, if they're allowed in the conversation. I just, it's wild to me. I mean, I guess our listeners can sound off to us. Who are Yeah, actually, it's in the comments below on YouTube. Please, please, everyone tell Roy and Tyler that they're wrong. And that this is clearly a bunch of grays and pinks and not green.

Roy: 1:02:23

I will agree that this pinks in the I think it's like a greenish it's greenish, it's green. It's just like a, like a military like an army green or like a green or something much,

Jaime: 1:02:42

much less green than an army green.

Roy: 1:02:46

But it's like a faded army green. Like it's been in the sun that someone's fought a war and come back and scratch its face. stains on us faded

Jaime: 1:02:54

so much that now the best word to use to describe it is no longer green. It's gray.

Roy: 1:03:00

Hang on, Rachel keeps messaging me. It's a gray green.

Jaime: 1:03:06

Yes, it is a it is definitely a desaturated green. But it's so desaturated that it no longer should be described as green instead of gray. That's it. Well, what were you saying? Let's like get back to the thing.

Roy: 1:03:21

I have no idea. What were we saying?

Jaime: 1:03:23

You were saying was talking about ZenAcademy or some bullshit. I don't

Roy: 1:03:28

know you were talking about abstract of the day and fidenza. We didn't even get to ZenAcademy because because Oh, right.

Jaime: 1:03:34

Right. Right. Because we were talking about how the floor is higher. That's how we got Yeah, track. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So tell us about ZenAcademy, or more specifically, maybe that you told us you were recording a class in Dubai a couple weeks ago? Yeah, I wanted on that.

Roy: 1:03:51

Yeah. So that's finished. I mean, obviously, the recording was finished. I came back about two weeks ago, it's now in the process of being edited, edited to edit to I speak better than this on the course show. It'll be released next month, so early April. And yeah, it's like open for people to sign up to now if you want. And we'll put the link below the course is on how to launch an NFT project. And it's like a seven day course with like, an hour and a half, two hours worth of video content each day. And it's not. No one's gonna be able to take the course and then just know everything you need to know to launch a successful NFT project. It's just, that's just not possible. So I want to like set expectations, but I sort of cover basically what is involved in launching an empty project to give people an idea because I think a lot of people might have had an inkling of, hey, it will be cool to launch a project. But then they might not know what's involved. And it's sort of like a case of you don't know what you don't know. And so I go into based on my experience and talking to a bunch of other project founders, some Other things that are important to consider and people that you need to sort of hire or work with, if you want to make a, a successful project, and then again, like, there are so many different types of projects, it's like I you trying to launch a 10k project, or you just a one on one artist, so I try and like touch on, you know, if you just want one artist, what options you might have. And then if you want to go something larger, what options you might have. And, yeah, we cover a lot. And yeah, it's open for anyone to sign up to, if you have a ZenAcademy or 333 club NFT, it's going to be free. That mechanism isn't isn't ready yet. So like in a couple of weeks, you'll be able to go to the website and use your Metamask and sign up and all that kind of stuff. And for anyone else, yeah, you can basically buy the course and I'm doing something, I think kind of cool with the money. So of the proceeds, it's a $400 course 50% goes to NAS Academy, because they did tons and tons of work on it. And then 50% is mine. And um, basically they said that they can pay it out in eth. So I've set up a separate eath, wallet, ZenBank.eth. And all the proceeds are my proceeds going into that wallet. And from there 25% of that I'm going to donate to Ukraine. I don't know exactly. If it's going to be the ether address they tweeted or some other charity. And then 75% is going into what I'm calling with the ZenAcademy Scholarship Fund, that it's not fully defined, what we're going to do

Jaime: 1:06:27

You throwed a lot of percentages at us Roy.

Roy: 1:06:31

at 37,01184%. Um, anyway, a bunch of it is going to a scholarship fund, which we will use to support like up and coming artists and creators in the space and stuff like that's cool. Yeah. Anyway, we'll post the link below, you can go and check out the website and see it'll. That's like the biggest thing going on, I think at the moment on that front. And you know, with ZenAcademy, we're still working on a whole bunch of things behind the scenes in terms of branding and big picture vision and new logo and website. And I'm dealing with lawyers. I hate lawyers, by the way.

Jaime: 1:07:10

I've heard you complaining about lawyers a bit lately. Yeah. Now, are you allowed to get into at all why they're frustrating you so much, or is that have your lawyer's advice, you

Roy: 1:07:24

know, it's just, um,

Jaime: 1:07:26

they're so darn Careful, careful. They don't want you to ask the thing. Yeah. Like, I want to do this thing. And they're going to find

Roy: 1:07:33

this and specify this in turn. Yeah. And do you have this disclaimer and this disclaimer, and oh, you should do this. And yeah, that's, I mean, they right.

Jaime: 1:07:43

Probably, yeah. But I was legally speaking that. Yeah. Yeah.

Roy: 1:07:48

Um, yeah. And it's just the questions they ask me, they need to know so much stuff. And I'm sitting there like replying to an email with like, 20 Questions like, lawyers.

Jaime: 1:08:03

I mean, imagine being married to one.

Roy: 1:08:05

Yeah. Still better than being married to you though.

Jaime: 1:08:09

Yeah, no, that's that's not wrong. So we got we updated on the My Projects on your project. Now, do you want to play what am I thinking or chess?

Roy: 1:08:20

I think we should watch. Let's play. Well, we'll start with what am I thinking? What are you thinking? And then we'll expand from there.

Jaime: 1:08:32

Okay, I got one.

Roy: 1:08:34

I don't yet. Okay, I got one.

Jaime: 1:08:42

Ready? 3, 2, 1... Broccoli.

Roy: 1:08:48

Giraffe. Broccoli and giraffe. Okay, I got one.

Jaime: 1:08:55

Okay. 3, 2, 1 three!

Roy: 1:08:58

Three! That was easy.

Jaime: 1:09:01

That was an easy one. I almost said folliage though. I almost said folliage... So I'm one with a tree. That's good. That was easy and better. Yeah, I know. And we used to be like, we were so close to being that. Yeah. Because we would get right there and then just circle around it. Yeah. Okay, should we should we wrap up I guess.

Roy: 1:09:25

Yeah. Okay. We shouldn't play chess every single

Jaime: 1:09:27

We won't play chess, but we will tell them about how I'm officially better than you now. Right?

Roy: 1:09:31

How can you possibly think that? You literally never beaten me. Except for that time that I timed out. We played a very serious game of chess a week ago, whatever. And I've won that.

Jaime: 1:09:50

It's not about who won and who lost. It's about you and I both agreeing that have that's the end of the episode. Thanks for listening.

Roy: 1:10:07

Poor Kayla.

Jaime: 1:10:07

Yeah, I was gonna say for the people who are only listening instead of watching right has his face in his palm right now. Yeah. Now we played a game of classical chess and I performed very well but then ran out of time and blundered a rock and it was game over basically that's that's the long and short of it right?

Roy: 1:10:23

That is yeah, you played better than you usually play.

Jaime: 1:10:28

I played better than you.

Roy: 1:10:30

Then you should have won.

Jaime: 1:10:33

I played better than you until I ran low on time and blundered my rook

Roy: 1:10:37

Time management is part of playing, you

Jaime: 1:10:39

know, no doubt, no doubt. But for for 38 of the 42 moves of the game. I have the advantage and I felt good about it. And now but now the thing is, now I can't get see now Roy loves cling to the fact that he won the game. But now every time I challenged him to a long format game, he Oh, I'm too busy. I couldn't do that right now. It's an hour. Maybe I could play a one minute one. I could play a 30 second game. I can't play one where you actually have the time to think Jamie Of course.

Roy: 1:11:10

Of course. This weekend will play a proper game of chess.

Jaime: 1:11:13

I'm going to California this weekend. I don't have time for that. Oh, here we go. Actually, I could probably find the time to do it. And I would love to do it. But this is too much random stuff. Let's let's wrap this. Thanks for listening in Episode 33 or something.

Roy: 1:11:31

33. Bye.

Jaime: 1:11:31

See you next week.

Intro: 1:11:35

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh