Episode 6 - Sotheby's, Blitnauts, Artblocks, and Bear Markets; Oh My!

Jamie: 0:00

The hosts of Two Bored Apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice. On today's episode of Two Bored Apes we talk about the current bear market. A few art blocks projects, specifically pigments scribbled boundaries and the upcoming curated project fragments of an infinite field. We talked about Solana, we talked about blitnauts. We talked about the Sotheby's ape and dog auction, and we talked about Roy's one eth challenge Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Welcome to episode six of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jamie. I'm here with my friend Roy. I just knocked over my water bottle. Roy how are you?

Roy: 1:03

This is a good start. I'm well, I am I got home from my trip my vacation a couple hours ago. Like six hour holiday holiday. Yeah, I've been saying vacation a lot more lately, which is very American of me. I don't know why it just it seemed I think I like the word more.

Jamie: 1:23

I like Yeah, well. Do you guys also use holiday for like holidays? Like New Year's Eve is a holiday?

Roy: 1:30

Yeah. That as well. Like public holiday holidays?

Jamie: 1:36

Yes. Then you should just come up with another word like vacation.

Roy: 1:40

Yeah, but I mean a vacation is also I mean it's also a holiday like we went on a holiday okay, but I get what you're saying vacation implies leaving to another location whereas holiday does not necessarily imply right well if

Jamie: 1:56

you say holiday go well do you mean a vacation or holiday? Whereas if you say vacation you go oh he's talking about vacation

Roy: 2:04

right but the context of how you use it like I went on a holiday that's not like I'm going on a New Year's it's like you going away somewhere this is very off track and not enjoying I

Jamie: 2:16

just got I just got back from mine yesterday. That's that's something to Yeah, I'm yours overlapped a lot.

Roy: 2:23

It did really,

Jamie: 2:25

literally overlapped in Barcelona. Do you remember that?

Roy: 2:28

I do remember that recorded a podcast together.

Jamie: 2:31

How about that Sagrada Familia haunt that thing is amazing. It really is the I didn't go I wanted to be religious while I was in there. I was like, I wish I believed in Jesus and all that. Yeah, it was stunning.

Roy: 2:43

Ever since we've revisited it. Rachel has been talking about wanting stained glass in our house that we

Jamie: 2:49

have. I bought the book and the gift shop about the stained glass specifically.

Roy: 2:54

Nice. I looked in the gift shop for a nice book, but I couldn't find one that I loved enough. Yeah, I

Jamie: 2:59

was also trying to get a bookmark but none of the bookmarks jumped out at me enough that what is this podcast?

Roy: 3:08

Sagrada Familia as souvenirs. Because I was looking for a pen I couldn't find a pen that I liked. But God it

Jamie: 3:13

was amazing though. Everybody that I was with was stunned by Justin who I was on the trip with his a former construction worker. And he's sort of a perfectionist in this. And he was he was stunned by like the craftsmanship. I was done just by the, the artistic beauty of it. It was, it's so amazing. And I am not a person that has ever gone in a building and been like, wow, this is amazing. Like, you don't care about that kind of thing. I don't like tons tons of old churches in Europe and stuff. This but this was fucking next level,

Roy: 3:45

it really is different. It's like most other churches, cathedrals, you walk in, and they're like, very similar. It's like tons of image like, murals of Jesus and Marian all sorts of stuff in like a bunch of gold. And just like it's all the same. And this was just different and cool.

Jamie: 4:01

And did you do the like audio tour when you walked around? No, I didn't. We did that. And so it's it's kind of describing like, what the imagery is supposed to mean. And it was amazing how much it actually felt reasonable rather than like sometimes they'll somebody will try to explain well, this is supposed to represent so and so. And it's like, really that's a scratch. Yeah, this was like, Oh, wow, I can I can fucking see that.

Roy: 4:30

Yeah, I didn't do it. But Rachel did it. And she was like explaining some of the stuff to me as we're going around. And yeah, it was just it was cool. But enough about Cathedrale Sagrada

Jamie: 4:42

Familia in Barcelona,

Roy: 4:43

let's talk about NFT's. What was the most recent NFT you purchased and start with that?

Jamie: 4:51

Oh, wow. That's that's sort of a gotcha question. I don't have the answers that what how about you? Let's let me turn around on you.

Roy: 5:00

Okay, I can probably answer that I went on a little bit of a buying spree two days ago, maybe yesterday, time is weird. But I had basically not really been buying anything for the last few weeks, partially due to being on vacation holiday, partially because the market had just been so overheated. So had such an insane run up and prices are going crazy that I was basically looking to sell bits and pieces here and there, which I did and had been doing and then things stopped selling as the market, just tank and eventually it got to the point a couple days ago where I was like, you know, prices have come down so much. I want to buy some stuff. I think that there's value to buy. So I bought a bunch of up looks pieces or bought some 27 bit Digital's I bought some hieroglyphs, which I really, really liked.

Jamie: 5:52

Those were your first things ever right hieroglyphs.

Roy: 5:55

A second, I think I think aerial view is my first. Okay. But yeah, I mean, they were one of my first and then I bought some Ultra wave three, six nines, which is a new playground drop the drop this week or last week?

Jamie: 6:11

I started on that.

Roy: 6:13

It's the same who did I think? What are the names? The Hyper hash and there's another playground drop. I think it's B of venger. Is the name of the artist I want to say. Be event

Jamie: 6:33

gear. Yeah, beer Beer van gear.

Roy: 6:35

Yeah. And he did a another playground drop. Also with 369 minutes and the name is eluding me. I'm trying to search for it right now. To watch can't I find it? Why can I find it? This is not good podcasting. You're right about sculpture. There we go. Yeah, yeah. And so I like all his work. So I missed them in and just picked up a couple. And those were my most recent NFC purchases. Oh, and I bought a couple of the sevens the avatar project, which was crazy hype this last week and had an absurd gas war. Like, I think you needed 9000 gwy or something to get a successful transaction three, which is that is insane. Absolutely insane. I mean, the mid price was 0.07. And I'm into the couple and it cost me like 1.2 eth or 1.3 eth each, which. And then the price tanked. And I bought a couple more like point four or something. Yeah, that was my

Jamie: 7:44

a bunch of real society of players cards today. But I'm always just bidding so cheaply. It take it must take me 120 bids on average to buy something. Because I offer such terrible prices. Yeah, when I'm just kind of scouring the market and betting on bidding on a lot of stuff.

Roy: 8:03

But I mean, it's great when you hit one, like Oh, my God, I love it. Yeah. I mean, this is this is a market, which is exactly right. Yeah, exactly.

Jamie: 8:11

And I did a bunch of one, one day long bid. So they're all expiring in 14 hours, which if you're doing the math means I made these bits 10 hours ago. But I wouldn't be surprised if a couple people capitulate tomorrow. Yeah.

Roy: 8:28

Have you been following the Royal Society of players closely lately? Are they still doing cool stuff?

Jamie: 8:34

A little bit? Yeah, they had another poker tournament today. They've been consistently breeding Zed horses that are given away. Oh, that's yeah. And there, they have like, various levels that they're giving the horses away at. So as a royal flush holder, I'm eligible for this one. And as just a general card holder, eligible for this other one, and I think they're even doing one giveaway that just anybody in the discord can get even without being a holder. So I have not won any giveaways there. But I'm, I'm collecting Eevee. Yeah, we would say in poker

Roy: 9:13

terms the expected value. Correct. Is Royal Flush the highest tier or is the like the super TF? No, no.

Jamie: 9:21

So royal flush is the best hand because they judge things based on hands, but they have like stamped cards where it basically counts double or something. If any of the cards in the hand has a stamp on it. So I guess if you had a royal flush and one of the cards was stamped it would be you'd be entered as if you had two royal flushes basically. And then a joker I think is just a wild card. I actually haven't paid super close attention to those really high end cards that I don't have any of but they definitely have some interesting mechanics that make you know When equal hand better just because it counts extra or something. Yeah, I think it was the Joker is a wild card. And then the stamp cards means the hand counts double. But but as far as hand strength goes, Yeah, reflux is the highest.

Roy: 10:16

Yeah, I think I mean, that's the whole project is always seems so cool to me. And it's something that I've wanted to be in on but have sort of dragged my feet. But maybe now's the time to jump in.

Jamie: 10:27

Yeah, but it is another one of these ones where I don't know why I say another one. Because I don't know that we've talked about it a lot. But it's a project where you do have to spend some time and effort in the discord to get the value out of it. Yes, entering these giveaways, because that's, that's sort of what they're doing. And you're you're a very busy man. So I don't know that you necessarily have the time for that.

Roy: 10:52

Yeah, actually, I think we did talk about that on this podcast. And that was like, natural reason.

Jamie: 10:55

Reason. I'm actually, I can't think of other projects so much, at least that I'm involved in, that are like that.

Roy: 11:04

The big one for me is Sed. Rate reading, and just sort of staying on top of all that, which, which I

Jamie: 11:12

failed to do lately, as I understand. Yeah,

Roy: 11:15

I mean, go back five months, I was racing, literally around toy. Yeah, yeah, I would wake up and enter into races, I would go to sleep entering into races. And then

Jamie: 11:26

I would dream about entering races, basically.

Roy: 11:29

Yeah. And I told Rachel How to Enter races. And while I was asleep, she got into platinum spirit, my my best choice into races. And, you know, I think we were getting into like 100 races a day, at one point, which is insane. And now it's like, maybe one a day is what I'm doing. Which I think with the new fatigue system, I think they're calling it stamina now, which means that the more you race in a day, the less effective your horse becomes, the less likely they are to win. Right, the entering and just once or twice a day is optimal. But I haven't spent the time trying to figure that out. I think every horse is a bit different.

Jamie: 12:07

One thing that we've been getting sort of asked by our fans to talk about and that we've touched on a bit recently is just what what are projects that I can get into for cheaper, or ways that I can kind of build up a bankroll cheaper, and Zedd did just announced that they're like 10 axing the total amount of free rolls they're doing every day, I think they said, they're gonna have $20,000 of free races per day, wow, starting now or something. And that's a lot bigger than it used to be. So that's, that's sort of an example you can get a not good horse for quite cheap. And then just kind of try to stay on top of the free races, you'll, you won't make a ton of money and you won't make it fast, but you'll definitely be making money while risking nothing.

Roy: 12:52

Yeah, that's definitely a good place to look at. And another thing is that it's on the polygon network. So there's basically no gas costs involved with right buying the horse selling the horse,

Jamie: 13:04

which definitely is a thing that we've been kind of harping on in terms of the the cheap projects is it's just it's so hard on a theory main net these days. So that's that's a great point to say that it's on Polygon.

Roy: 13:18

Yeah, definitely a good one to look into. Zed and also chicken Derby might be worth looking into. They don't have a game yet but the chickens are still quite cheap last I checked maybe they've gone up they

Jamie: 13:32

are the cheapest is like point oh seven I think Yeah. Once breeding is out, I'm sure though, there'll be even cheaper ones. The discord updates seem to indicate that they're making very good consistent progress towards the game. Yeah, I think they have a beta confident and in the team

Roy: 13:49

beta be the game beta, beta, beta, beta open for I think like early adopters or people who were in the discord earlier who bought chickens early and yeah, the feedback has been generally pretty great. What I've seen

Jamie: 14:04

I was kind of leading you into possibly talking about this one if challengers

Roy: 14:11

Oh, yeah, that's a thing that I have recently been thinking more about. And I tweeted I think I think it was today about how I have had this idea someone suggested it to me on Twitter that they would love to see me fund a wallet with one Aetherium or one ether and I guess just see how I would navigate the NFT space now because it has changed so much since when I all we first got in and you know gas costs are higher. Gas was for new projects are insane. There are so many more projects being launched. So trying to pick the right ones to invest in is a little more difficult and I thought you know this sounds fun. It would be enjoyable and interesting slash educational, hopefully for others. But certainly, I think just for me, at least, just to sort of rethink the whole space, and I mean, yeah, try and think about a lot of things that I may not be considering as actively on a day to day basis, just because when I'm buying and selling things now, with a much larger bank role, I don't necessarily think of, say gas costs as being a super significant issue. But when I only have one eth to play with, obviously, spending point one on transaction fees to buy an NFt is just a massive investment. And I'd have to seriously consider if that's something worth doing, and if not look for other options and opportunities to invest in so I am going to be starting that this week. Sometime I haven't funded the wallet yet. haven't created the wallet yet. But you can I'll post the link in the show notes to my Discord and in the discord I have set up a channel where I will basically be writing updates about what I'm doing, probably not in real time, but every now and then I'll talk about the buys and sells I've done and the reasons behind why I made those decisions. And I mean, in all likelihood, it's gonna not work out. I mean, this is a risky environment. And it's it's it's getting I think, riskier as time goes on, or like the opportunities are getting, it's just not as easy to make money as it was a five months ago. But I think it's still incredibly early. And I hope you've ever will show that there are still plenty of great opportunities around and yeah, hopefully it's successful, but we'll see.

Jamie: 16:41

And are you you're planning on doing it only on a theory may not?

Roy: 16:45

Yes. So a lot of people were like, are you gonna withdraw the money and put it on salon? Oh, you've probably gone. And maybe in the future, I'll do another challenge. Looking at those houses, yeah, there's so many other blockchains. But I don't feel like I'm enough of an expert on any of them to take on a challenge like that. But I do want to spend more of my time learning those.

Jamie: 17:06

This is a pretty similar to what people used to do in poker, a lot, a very successful poker player would go, Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna start with $100 and show you guys how it's possible to turn $100 bankroll into a $10,000 bankroll. And then they just, you know, a person who is normally playing, you know, $5,000, cash games, would start playing in $5 cash games, and just kind of try to show you the possibilities. It's sort of an interesting thing. But in NFT's, it's, it's quite different. Because like in poker, theoretically, that person should have such a huge edge in those smaller games, that is so different to how big of a winner they ought to be in the big games. Whereas in NFT's, it kind of doesn't make a difference in my mind. How, how expensive the NFT's are buying our I would assume if you're buying an NFT for point two or an NFT for five Aetherium, either one, you know, a good NFT analyst, so to speak, is probably going to be able to expect approximately equal rates of return on either one.

Roy: 18:24

I think yes or no, I think a lot of opportunities are only available at higher price points. And sometimes the best opportunities are if you're buying something for one or two, or five or 10 eth. Partially because the percentage of gas is going to be so much lower that it's basically negligible at a certain point. Whereas at point two eth gas is going to be five to 50% of your transaction.

Jamie: 18:52

Right? That's like, even more opposite then because, you know, the idea is in the poker one, it's so much easier. For the right, right successful party going down. Yeah,

Roy: 19:05

it's the opposite now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. No, no, I agree with that, for sure. So yeah, it'll just be interesting and fun. Hopefully, I'm really excited about it. Actually, I've been looking forward to getting home and getting started and I will probably be creating the wall and funding it tonight or tomorrow. And I think a lot of what the first day, maybe a couple of days is going to be is just not doing anything and just trying to get my bearings with the market again, because for so long I need to look at you know, I don't even really know what projects are out there, what's launching what might be worth buying and secondary and obviously we're in this big, relatively big bear market or downward trend, and I just want to see Yeah, just get a feel for things again.

Jamie: 19:50

Yeah, it's also very easy for you to gain the system you know, you, you buy into some cheap project with your one F wallet, then go to your real Wallah and just sweep the floor real aggressively boom.

Roy: 20:03

Yeah, I mean, we're good. But it's all you know, anyone can very easily see if I'm doing that. What else do we have to talk about?

Jamie: 20:11

Did you read the the write up from Darren Brito about his project pigments? No, I

Roy: 20:16

haven't yet. But I saw a bunch of people talking positively about it. You read it.

Jamie: 20:20

It's it's a really great write up. Yeah. It's um, so Darren Brito had a art blocks curator project called pigments that I've talked about on this podcast, you lower I love them, I love them. I think they are amazing. And he did a pretty long write up where he basically described how the algorithm works, what his goals were, and what the different parameters specifically the palette, and the layout really meant. And it was really interesting, because like, if you actually look at it, and you do like a filter, this is just sort of one example of what was interesting about it. But if you search through, open see for pigments and you you filter by palette, you'll see that a lot of them don't really look like they're the same color palette. And the sort of a levels of complexity and abstraction between the starting colors that he kind of feeds into the algorithm, versus what actually ends up on the digital canvas that we're looking at at the end is is really interesting and big and sort of leads to having this one palette have such different colored outputs in, you know, two different mints from from the project, for instance. But there's a lot of interesting stuff in it. One thing specifically is he basically said that he tried to make his favorite outputs, the most common, and his least favorite outputs, the least common, which is like a very strange thing. When you think about the way that traditionally the market tends to value these things. What do you think about that?

Roy: 22:16

Um, I think that's fine. I think it's all very interesting. And I think that it's cool that he did that way. I think.

Jamie: 22:26

He said, basically, like, I want the most people to be really happy with their pieces. Yeah. So the the thing that I think, and you know, it wasn't also just about what he likes, it was a somewhat about, like, how many different outputs can this particular palette or layout have, without feeling repetitive, and without having bad minutes? And so it was also that, to where, you know, the ones that in the project are rare, aren't things that he specifically just likes less, but maybe thinks you can't make 30 of and have them be as high quality as say, the most common thing which he has, like, there's 168 minutes or something?

Roy: 23:06

Yeah, I will. I mean, I mean, ultimately, odd is subjective, of course. And so what what he likes and thinks is best is not going to be what that was true as well. So, man, it's cool that he obviously has got a great eye, and he's trained, and he's an artist. So he's the program and created the code. So he has a very good idea of what looks good from an objective sense and decided, and as you said, what, what outputs can handle more variation. And I think it's, it's just cool and smart that he put that level of thought into it and decided, hey, I'm going to put more of this type out or make this more likely to occur. Because he thinks that it looks better. And, you know, the market can decide what to value whether it's rarity, or aesthetics. And that's sort of always an ongoing, sort of back and forth, or a question a lot of people ask is, do people value rarity for approx pieces? And I think it's like yes or no, but generally, people value aesthetics first, and then if it's rare, it's sort of a nice addition to add on to it. But just because something's rare doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be highly valued.

Jamie: 24:22

Yeah, I think well, there's definitely some collectors who will value it, even if it's perhaps less interesting or aesthetic, as long as it is rare. The one example that I kind of come back to on this type of thing is there's at least one algorithm maybe a couple, and when I'm saying that I'm saying algo rithm, the specific curator project that has sound in it algorithms. There's one word it's just a single button. Yeah. And that plays a single tone. I think there might be a few like that. But yeah, there's there's at least one but probably a couple but either way, it's a Very rare output. But I would say artistically not interesting. You know, it's a little bit interesting if you're sort of viewing the whole project as the art piece, and then that's just sort of a piece of it. But I would say, if you're taking that individual meant and comparing it to another one, it's like, that's, to me, that's just not as interesting as the other ones. But it's quite rare. And some people will pay up for it, which is fine, you know, if they want that, fine, but um, I don't know, I just I find the idea of having the rarer, things be less interesting to be sort of strange, but it's also a fun, a fun thing to kind of just do and then see how the market reacts to it. Because again, you're sort of challenging them to value the art rather than valuing it just as a, you know, a financial product who is more rare than the other financial products or whatever?

Roy: 26:07

Yeah, no, I agree. Very, very cool. I mean, I agree with the algorithms as well, I, I really love that collection. And I don't particularly love the ones that are just one button with one sound that it's like, what I really love is clicking on one with, which has a whole bunch like a full rhythm, which like, you click on it, and you can listen to the tune for like 20 seconds or however long it runs for right, which you can't do with those one button ones. But yeah, as you say, it's rare and some people value that. So

Jamie: 26:40

I also just saw the artist for scribbled boundaries that are right up on their project. I believe that was William tan. But I just saw that today. So I haven't gotten around to reading it. Whereas the pigments when I saw a few days ago, but I'll definitely be interested to read that one as well.

Roy: 26:56

Yeah, I really love that one. I think probably more than most or more than a lot of people vocalized when it dropped or around when it dropped. But yeah, I'm looking forward to reading that too.

Jamie: 27:08

I quite like some of them. But other there's there's a lot of the ones in that project that don't excite me, but I do quite like some of them. I have I have two that I bought in the secondary market that I'm a big fan of.

Roy: 27:23

Yeah, those are getting kind of cheap again. I mean, relatively. So maybe we'll be looking at right picking some of those. Yeah. There's a new curated drop tomorrow, I believe, which is kind of read normally they're on a Friday, but I think they will be moving into Mondays going forward.

Jamie: 27:39

Yes, they did say something to that effect in the discord.

Roy: 27:43

Yeah. Something about moving away from having drops around the weekend.

Jamie: 27:47

Yeah, it was just like about how they're, they've been working so hard for so long. And it would be nice for them to sort of be able to have weekends off. Yeah. She's pretty reasonable. Yeah. Fragments of an infinite field by Monika Rizzoli is the name of the project and the artist.

Roy: 28:04

They look fantastic. I mean, the mid zero at least, it looks fantastic. I'm looking at

Jamie: 28:09

Yeah, the artists man number zero is stunning to me. I'm, I'm very excited about it. I will definitely be, or I shouldn't say definitely because it's a Dutch auction. And the first maybe four or five tiers are definitely more expensive than I'll pay but I'm definitely looking to buy one of these tomorrow.

Roy: 28:27

Yeah, hopefully the quote unquote bear market we're in continues a little longer. And people are a little gun shy and the price drops because I really love these in one a minute.

Jamie: 28:37

Yeah, people are fairly burnt on geometry runners. That was that was right around when the market totally peaked, I would say. And so people kind of just went really aggressive into that one. And then a lot of people have been selling at a loss or at least listing for a price that would get them a loss if they could even make the sale lately. So I think there's a good chance we'll see. See the prices come down quite a few levels before they sell out hopefully hopefully, for us. Exactly our otherwise I might just have to right click Save mint number one and yeah, I don't know. Put it on my wall or something because it looks awesome. I'm looking at it right now. I'm fucking loving it.

Roy: 29:19

Yeah, I saw a few other mints as well. And they all they all look great. And it again it's another thing where it looks unlike anything else and that's why I was just gonna say so crazy.

Jamie: 29:32

Yeah, and it's also interesting where I keep flicking open and close this thing my headphones are starting I should stop doing that's probably making an annoying sound. But it's an interesting how this is like generative art. We're sort of seeing you know, itself is sort of a whole new artistic movement in a lot of ways. But now even within it We're sort of, we're just seeing all the different things that you can do with it. Because it's, you know, it's not like impressionism or whatever, where it's just Okay, we're gonna stop making things so realistic. It's, it's, it's just a, I don't know, it's it's so varied the possibilities in it. And now so this is, how would you describe this? It's it's almost like a close up landscape. Why don't you Why don't you describe it a little bit? How

Roy: 30:33

would I describe it? It? It's like a lot of etchings is that the word? It's like,

Jamie: 30:42

I believe, though that's supposed to be rain. Because in the description, it's talking about how there's a big the big thing is seasons, each one is going to be one of the seasons. Yeah. And in summer, there'll be rain in winter, there's snow. In autumn, there's petals. And in spring, there's pollen. So I think the testament that we're looking at is a summer picture. And that is meant to be raining. Yeah. So

Roy: 31:07

there's a bunch of rain, like these little just lines raining down, I guess. And then there's flowers, and then what looks like a field. And it's just, it's crazy.

Jamie: 31:19

Like, yeah, and how did this? Yeah, and it's got sort of a great mix between sort of that traditional art look yes, with. Clearly there's something else going on here. And the

Roy: 31:34

colors that I really think are really lovely.

Jamie: 31:36

Yeah. I'm excited for this. Yeah. I got I have not, I have not been to an art blocks piece in a long time.

Roy: 31:45

I haven't either. Actually.

Jamie: 31:48

I tried to get in on that VR Room by z blocks. And I missed out. Yeah,

Roy: 31:53

I missed that one, too. I got. I got to trust it. But I didn't actually mention myself. I got one of our friends to mentor because I was out to dinner and mobile minting wasn't really working out well for me, so I haven't clicked them in button myself. I think since it might have been geometry runners. That seems crazy. I actually maybe fake internet money. I think that came after.

Jamie: 32:16

Oh, yeah, like those two. But that was one actually. We talked about this previously, I think it was, might have been the episode where we talk about scribble boundaries a lot. But I was finding I would look at projects testaments, and go, it looks fine. And then when the actual project came out, I would be much more impressed with it. Fake internet money. I felt like a little bit of the opposite reaction where the art that the artists had teased ahead of time of it. I was like, Oh, those look really good. But then when I saw the actual project, I was not as compelled to dive in as as I had been ahead of time.

Roy: 32:53

Hmm, interesting. I haven't I don't think I really looked at the Testaments too much for that one. Actually, I haven't looked at the real ministry much either, because I've been away, but I like the ones I got at least. So that's cool. Yep. Um, is there anything else on our books to talk about?

Jamie: 33:13

We talked about the write up and we talked about the upcoming thing. We could just talk in general more about how well there was a 350 ternal pump sale today. We've been mentioned that yeah, that's insane. Yeah, especially in this bear market that we're supposedly in. I mean, I shouldn't say supposedly, it's definitely a bear market. Yeah, but that's a big fucking sale.

Roy: 33:37

Yeah, that was huge. That was I mean, a lot of people saying, hey, that's the end of the bear market. Now. We're gonna start going up, which, I mean, I have sort of been feeling like we're reaching the end of the bear market.

Jamie: 33:50

I noticed today, I'm getting a lot more emails of bids on my pieces, then. I'm on the bottom. I own I should say, Yeah, bought offers, mostly, but I don't know. I guess some of them are real. Then I have been in the last week or so. Which is definitely a healthy sign, I

Roy: 34:10

think. Yeah, I think so too. Yeah, so I mean, that was that was kind of crazy. 350 eth is a million dollars basically. For an eternal pump. And I'm looking

Jamie: 34:25

at 720 minutes again, the prices you love that have come down so much. I know. But are they out now? I think you can get them for under five.

Roy: 34:34

Wow. I saw one sold for like 3.75 earlier. Yeah. Which is crazy.

Jamie: 34:40

You have those ones really had a I have two Yeah, yeah.

Roy: 34:45

Yeah, they are cool. I'm looking at it right now.

Jamie: 34:50

I also I've been meaning to make a pin tweet of my fit my favorite of the two that I own. That just basically says hey, if it's 11 years Whatever. Yeah, please enjoy this and then I'll have the link to it. Yeah.

Roy: 35:07

What times are yours?

Jamie: 35:09

I have 148 and 1108, I believe. And the 148. One is the one that I think looks more awesome.

Roy: 35:17

So just to explain that every 720 minutes has like a special minute of the day where it just goes crazy, right?

Jamie: 35:24

Right, the name of the project is 720 minutes. And there's 720 minutes in a day. There's actually twice that but because am and pm are essentially the same in non military time. So each one actually goes crazy two minutes out of the day. And so mine goes, I have one that goes crazy

at 11am and 11: 35:46

08pm. And then the other one is 1:48am, and

1: 35:51

48pm. But yeah, they're the NFT is a actual working clock. That's a piece of art, but and they almost sort of Blink basically, second to second. But then for that one special minute that each one has that's unique. It just goes absolutely bonkers. It's like exploding all over the place. You kind of have to just see them to understand. But well, we'll have a link in the show notes for my to with with their minutes. But also, there's a Google spreadsheet that that has every single one plus there minute, a lot of people can't find what the specific minute on any given one is, even though it is in the description of each piece in the metadata. But it's not one of the traits. So I think some people don't read all the stuff and don't even realize, yeah, when there's is, but I definitely recommend checking those out. They're awesome. And I would love to buy a third one.

Roy: 36:56

Yeah. All right. Ah, what else? blitnauts. That's see. That's that's the avatar project for the Bitmaps which launched I think two days ago. That sounds right. And they effectively freedom meant if you earn a bitmap, which you know, the full price of a bitmap is 20 or 30, somewhere in that range. And so it's very exclusive. It is a difficult, I guess, club to get into now. But they look cool. And I definitely hope Yeah, they look, they look cool. And I think that the whole blit universe is going to continue expanding and there's going to be cheaper entry points as time goes on. I really think this is

Jamie: 37:41

already a cheaper entry isn't mushy, they're still pretty expensive. I mean, it seems like the market seems to be valued blitnauts at about four to six ether so far. So quite a bit cheaper than a bitmap, but still way out of reach for most people. Especially when you know, there's who knows what you actually get with a blood not other than a very cool looking thing. Yeah. You know, in terms of, you know, utility and roadmap and stuff, it's it's unclear exactly what they're going to do for you. Yeah, there's

Roy: 38:13

a lot of speculation, but you

Jamie: 38:16

hang on, but don't go ahead. No, no, go on go. I was I was gonna say. So basically, with the bulletin arts, there's a television screen head that will display your blood map. And then you get to kind of pick what colors you want the body to be, but there's like eight or maybe 10 different. What's the word? I want your characters? Yeah, that's, that's good. That you can have as the structure for your your body basically for your blood not. And unfortunately, the one that I think is the coolest looking Rosco, the market appears okay with me. And so there's a ton of them. I was hoping that I could make mine with rhaskos. And also have it be somewhat rare, but I'm gonna have to either pick one that I think looks less awesome. Or just be, you know, the 600 person to make a Roscoe Yeah. So quite like the one called, I think quark. That's probably my second favorite. So maybe I'll do that. But so far, I have not minted any of my blood knots, because there's no time limit. So there's just no rush right now. Yeah. The process of meeting them looks very cool. And the way that the colors are totally customizable by the mentor is a pretty unique trait for Avatar projects and, you know, really complements the way you were able to pick the palettes for the Bitmaps themselves. Yeah. You can really compliment or contrast those colors in your in your bulletin or in really cool ways. I don't know if you've looked at people's but I'm looking at All right. Yeah, yeah, a lot of them look awesome. Like, a lot of people are doing like these rhaskos that are just kind of all super dark magenta or like even black. Yeah, some of those look really cool. But yeah, there's a lot of awesome ones. Yeah, that Yeah,

Roy: 40:15

the whole minting process is as smooth and as interesting as the bitmap minting process was so yeah, very, very cool.

Jamie: 40:26

Are there it's even, I would say it's, in some ways it's more interesting because there's even more choices of what you can do. Whereas, you know, with the bitmap it was pick this and pick that. There's, there's even more you got to do with this.

Roy: 40:42

Yeah, having the 10 different characters to choose from and then being able to customize the color and everything. For bitmap. Yeah, it's very cool. Yeah, I don't think there's too much else to say about them.

Jamie: 40:57

Nope. Especially when neither of us have even done it yet.

Roy: 41:00

But just a cool thing that happened this week, I guess. Do you know I mean, they

Jamie: 41:06

look so cool that I'm vaguely considering changing my Twitter avatar to one or like adding it in addition to my AP, because they're fucking awesome. They do look great. But again, I'll have to actually make one

Roy: 41:21

to do that. Yeah. I've seen a lot of people changing their, like, foreign backgrounds to it. And they look really cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like the lock screen or whatever. Yeah, that there's a lot of cool stuff coming in the, I guess, Blip map universe, there's something called sub drive, which is, I think, some sort of unchained video game.

Jamie: 41:44

Right? That's accurate.

Roy: 41:47

I don't know exactly what it is. It's a I think it says a console. Yeah, I'm looking at the paycheck on chain fantasy game console coming soon. And I think that's something that is worth keeping an eye on, for people in the book map universe. And for those who aren't involved, which is probably most people who are looking for a way to get involved. Because often, when a new project or new aspect is launched, there's either I think the way that Don the founder does it is he likes it a lot of stealth launches, and potentially even the playing field. So like he launched he released loot, which is not affiliated with the bitmaps. It was just this thing that he created and thought was cool. And he was free to mint and he put it out there and then the market valued them crazy high. Who's to know what's gonna happen when sup drive, but I think that I'll just say that. I follow a lot of people on Twitter, I have notifications on for like four people and Dom is one of them. So if he tweets I like instantly get it. Because I think that that's just where tons of value can come from in this space.

Jamie: 42:51

Are we allowed to ask who the other people are?

Roy: 42:53

You can ask I don't know. My head. It's people I have. One is GCR. He is at gigantic rebirth. He tweets more like not much about NFT's more about specific market and just he just seems really smart and keyed into a whole bunch of stuff. So yeah, I like his tweets. And I can't remember or think of her. Anyone else might be off the top of my head. Okay, okay.

Jamie: 43:26

What else should we want to talk about the the big Sotheby's auction. Yeah. Sotheby's or Christie's? I wish there was more than two. Yeah. So confusing. I'm pretty sure. Yeah. I mean, Christie's comes next.

Roy: 43:42

Yes. So this week, they had, I mean that they had 101 apes and 101 dogs being auctioned off, I think for the last week or so.

Jamie: 43:53

And it was it was a one week auction. Yeah. Two separate auctions. We should be clear. One was for the 101. Eight, and one was for the 101 dogs.

Roy: 44:02

Yep. And they both ended on Friday. I want to say,

Jamie: 44:07

yep, one minute apart. vapes first. And then the dog second ends the app. So I was I was in sort of an antique store in wherever we were Porto maybe Lisbon. Yeah. When it ended. I remember it like it was two or three days ago.

Roy: 44:25

I do not remember what I was doing. I think I was just

Jamie: 44:29

I was I was frantically checking my phone hoping for some Yeah, starting last minute action.

Roy: 44:35

We got a little bit of that, I think but not a lot.

Jamie: 44:37

I don't think so.

Roy: 44:39

I remember being like 21 million for the apes and right.

Jamie: 44:42

But I think that it was just the fees that got added on. All these auction houses take huge fees. So I think some people think it was last minute bids. I think it was just the fees getting added on but either way. The total sale price for the apes ended up being about 24 million, and the dogs was what? 1.8 million,

Roy: 45:04

something like that.

Jamie: 45:06

Yeah. Which to me seems like quite good deals for the buyers because there was some very, very rare ones in there. Yeah. And I think like people used, I can't remember what the tool is. But basically, you just kind of put in a wallet, and it will tell you based on, you know, for values of the traits or whatever what it would be worth, and I think it was supposed to be like 37 million or something for the apes, because they had like a goal of a couple trapeze, which are so expensive.

Roy: 45:36

They are. Yeah, it definitely seemed like a good deal for the buyer. By buying 108 or 100, high value assets, you could generally expect to get some sort of a discount. Yeah, I agree. Yeah. This way. I think a lot of people were hoping for a more explosive sale price. And if it had happened maybe a month ago when the market was red hot there, man. Right. Right. It's sort of the sale coincided with like the absolute bottom of the bear market or what is currently seems to be the bottom. So I think that's a pretty good result.

Jamie: 46:14

market sentiment was not high. No, it was going on.

Roy: 46:18

I'm pretty I think the result is pretty good. I wouldn't say it's amazing. Yeah. What

Jamie: 46:23

it wasn't disappointing, or, or super exciting. Yeah. Um,

Roy: 46:31

what else has been happening with the Bored Ape Yatch Club? Not too much else. I think, well,

Jamie: 46:36

they, they have the other one, the Christie's Auction coming up, I think at the end of the month, but they did say the treasure hunt, which they've been kind of teasing for a while, will happen after the Christie's Auction? I'm sorry, I've asked these auction. But before the Christie's Auction, yeah, so that is should be coming up very soon.

Roy: 46:55

It's true. That's exciting. Yeah, that is exciting. I'm

Jamie: 46:58

excited to see what it's I mean, I have no idea what it is. But like they just made so much money from these mutants sales. Could they just be like, I mean, how much of that? Could they plow back into the community? Via this treasure hunt? It could be there could be huge, huge value up for grabs? It

Roy: 47:17

probably will be? Yeah, I think when they originally launched the project, they said the treasure hunt would be worth five eth or something, it'd be five eating prizes. And the most recent update, they said that there's like 200,000 US dollars at stake. So that's already a lot more, and it's potentially going to be a lot more higher than that still. Yeah, yeah. Who knows what's involved and how, how we might win these prizes, but it's gonna be exciting to watch.

Jamie: 47:49

I think they had said that the dogs were definitely involved, or did I make that up?

Roy: 47:54

I don't remember hearing that. But

Jamie: 47:58

yeah, I might I want to put that out as a factual thing. I vaguely remember that being something in Yeah, this court update

Roy: 48:06

wouldn't be too surprised. Well, I'd be a little surprised that they're involved because they weren't. I guess part of the original launch, but then everyone who was got one, but Yeah, who knows? I guess we'll see soon. Sort of like you did with the mutants. Like no one really knew what to expect. And

Jamie: 48:23

yeah, yeah. And you want to talk about these so on and knock off NFT's that people get upset about?

Roy: 48:30

Yeah, cuz I mean, there's a Bored Ape. Knock off. Did you see the newest change to it? Yes. They made it all techspace.

Jamie: 48:37

Yeah. And then they have a link to the image of what it would look like. And it says please don't right click save this.

Roy: 48:46

I mean, I think that's better than what they were doing before. It's so insane.

Jamie: 48:49

Yeah. But people are getting so up in arms about it, which is kind of, and it's sort of fueling their own F maximalism from my perspective, but it's also like in order for them to do that they have to ignore how many insane knockoffs and derivative projects that are are on the Etherium chain that are equally or less interesting than these?

Roy: 49:15

Well, I think specifically the ape, one people upset because they literally just took the ape art and re recreating it on the salon blockchain, which is,

Jamie: 49:26

but like there was the funks for instance, on Aetherium that was punks, but instead of facing to the right ear face to the left. And to be fair, I guess there was like pushback about it. But there was also a pretty big amount of support for them to be sort of an anti establishment. Don't you dare DMCA us a larva labs kind of sentiment about it, whereas it doesn't seem like they're this SWANA stuff is getting that same You know, benefit of the doubt or whatever. Now, I mean, the advertising for this was a little ridiculous where they were acting like they were doing something new when they were clearly not. I think maybe. And again, this is not to make it sound like it's good or interesting, but they were specifically only doing outcomes that didn't happen in the Bored Ape Yatch Club, there were like, only traits that had never been combined. Exactly like that. Maybe that

Roy: 50:28

seems I remember seeing that. That was certainly possible. I don't know if that is all that they were planning on doing? Or if it was like, yeah, yeah. Because,

Jamie: 50:38

you know, they also have soul punks, which is just punks with like, these shaded backgrounds. Yeah, I'm super not into that. But you know, people are using it as a way to slander all of salona or, you know, all of the potential that the sauna NFT ecosystem could have, which to me really seems like you're sort of missing the forest for the trees, and kind of makes me want to get on there because it seems like it's that many people that are into NFTs are actively avoiding it, you know, if it does end up being a place where high value NFT's are stored. You know, we're very early when when people who already believe in NFT's are still actively avoiding it, and and like proudly tweeting about how they're avoiding it.

Roy: 51:31

Yeah, no, I agree. I think that there's almost no denying that Selena is here to stay, and that entities on Selena will be here to stay. But I think that I guess because of how mature the NFT market on Aetherium is, and how immature it is on salona. It's different to when NFT's first started on Aetherium where where people can see what's already happened on a theorem and try and copy that success and salona. And because of that, there's just we're starting off with tons of projects being launched, rather than the occasional project. And I think that it's you have to be a little more selective with what you buy and sell on and now than you had to be with what you bought on Ethereum six months ago.

Jamie: 52:17

I kind of agree with you, but I do really sort of remember when I first you know, in like March, April, maybe a little bit even into May, was was getting into NFt's on the Ethereum blockchain. And I would be on open sea it seemed like maybe 40% of projects were some sort of punk derivative. There was began punks there was Picasso punks. There was punks riding dinosaurs. It was punks riding cyber trucks. It was like I'm not kidding. There was there was baby punks, fast food punks, although that one's quite a bit newer but like you know there was so many

Roy: 52:58

there really were there still are it's yeah, it's so crazy. I've basically steered clear of any sort of pump derivative any derivative projects really? I try I don't know I want I can but people people have made tons of money on them there's no

Jamie: 53:13

these days still be in punk so I'm hearing have like a interesting sort of royalty type. Do you know about

Roy: 53:21

this? No, I don't

Jamie: 53:24

I don't know. I heard somebody on Twitter today saying that they had an a mechanism. I don't know if it was live or coming soon. That is quite similar to the way these cyber Kong's are just kind of yielding people $240 A day in some banana token or whatever. I wish. I wish we had gotten in on those. Yeah, they really seem to have missed the boat. But I don't I barely know how it works.

Roy: 53:49

I also barely know how it works other than basically what you said, where

Jamie: 53:52

if you think the force up to like 70 on them. Yeah,

Roy: 53:55

if you have one of the Genesis cyber combs, you get bananas, I think banana tokens, and right that they're worth a bunch of money a day. And I mean, I've been hearing people talk about them for, you know, the last couple of months. And

Jamie: 54:07

yeah, I mean, I remember seeing and hearing about how legit they were and when they were like 20 F for another Well, I missed the boat. The fours already. 20. Right. And now it's friggin 70.

Roy: 54:18

I mean, yeah, the price always seemed too high. And I mean, that's sort of how it goes with a lot of NFT's IE, you feel like you missed the boat on tons of stuff, and then it goes up another 5x or whatever. But we have made the boat on plenty of other things. So

Jamie: 54:35

that is for sure. True. Yeah. I'm gonna make in the boat. I finally got my royalties from open sea. Excellent. Do you think I'm pausing? I'm pausing for a round of applause here. Thank you.

Roy: 54:49

Do you think it was because you were kicking up a fuss on Twitter? I

Jamie: 54:53

know I know for a fact it was the I finally got in touch with somebody on Twitter who could make it happen basically is what happened. And I had been talking to that guy, Nate, who is approachable, and I've only pretty much had good encounters with him. But basically two different times, I had discussed it extensively with him on Twitter or in DMS, and he'd go okay, um, um, you know, I'm running it up to chain to the team or whatever. And still, nothing happened. But then I, I talked to some guy Matt from open see the other day. And then, basically 18 hours later or something, I finally got my royalty payments. So that was cool.

Roy: 55:34

Out to Matt.

Jamie: 55:35

Yeah, shout out to Matt. I guess. I shouldn't I shouldn't have to do that. Yeah, of course. But it really does. The the hassle that it was really makes me want to move my project to its own smart contract at some point. Yeah, but boy, I remember when I was first starting it, I was looking into it, and it was too much work. Yeah, it's gotta be there's gotta be people that do this kind of thing for you, though. I would think

Roy: 56:07

solidity programmers, right, yeah. But like,

Jamie: 56:12

I think fuck render specifically uses some thing, man manifold. Does that ring a bell at all to you?

Roy: 56:19

It sounds vaguely familiar. I know that he used a platform or a company or someone who?

Jamie: 56:26

Yeah, I think they're called manifold and excellent that they basically offer the service, I think to anybody, but they're very coy about their pricing, I can't really find that anywhere, without inquiring specifically. So I'm a little bit scared. Especially when, you know, I sell my pieces for so darn cheap. Not to mention the open sea when you meant there, it's gasless. So it's free. Whereas if I was actually mixing these things, for real, and then having to pay like a $30, gas price, or whatever that's, you know, it's like 40% of the total cost that I charged for them. Yeah. But I guess it would be a higher higher quality product, if it had its own custom smart contract, rather than being on the open C sharp contract. And so I could kind of increase the price enough to compensate for that gas cost.

Roy: 57:21

Well, have you thought about putting your project on salons or tasers or somewhere else,

Jamie: 57:27

I vaguely thought about putting it on salon or lately, just as I've been ordering it. But I like I literally have never even looked at a salon and FC marketplace. I've just been sort of trying to slowly wrap my brain around the blockchain itself and how it's different and why I think it will or will not survive and that sort of thing. But it would be interesting to start doing them there. I think because, you know, assuming that I do finally come to the conclusion that NFT markets there are going to really mature and be big in a similar way to the way they are on Aetherium to be really early, there might be very beneficial.

Roy: 58:15

Definitely. I think I definitely want to spend more time figuring out understanding Selena, but from what I've just heard on Twitter and discord and talking to people lately, the marketplace or marketplaces are just awful at the moment. And yeah, it's really difficult to buy

Jamie: 58:33

now the winters assume that like open sea is gonna just add tasers and add SWANA compatibility as well, at some point.

Roy: 58:41

I heard something a month or two ago about how they were going to add compatibility.

Jamie: 58:45

I don't see why they wouldn't. Right.

Roy: 58:48

Yeah, it doesn't make sense. Like it's just me because they're already having enough issues scaling on the theorem. Yeah,

Jamie: 58:55

yeah. They they probably have it low on the list of things to do because they're just constantly duct taping up holes in their infrastructure, whatever, as they scale have to scale so much. So fast. But I don't see how it's not on the list of things to do eventually. Yeah.

Roy: 59:15

Yeah, it would be cool if it would just be cool to have I guess a one stop shop for every blockchain and have it work well. Unlike open sea at the moment. Yeah. We have I think a couple of competitors coming up to open see the big one show

Jamie: 59:34

you the only one I know about what else is there?

Roy: 59:38

I've heard of something and I remember the name of stuff in my head but

Jamie: 59:42

I mean, we have some existing ones that are sort of competitors is rare, but show you is the only one on the horizon that I know.

Roy: 59:49

Yeah. Which I mean sushi swap has a pretty good track record of creating good daps decentralized apps and products and I think what sushi

Jamie: 1:00:00

First there was uniswap first. So who did the vampire and who uniswap was

Roy: 1:00:03

first and then sushi forked from it. Yeah. And I think yeah, I mean, what I think happened is that after that happened, sushi, Ed dropped a bunch of tokens to users. And then in order to keep market share, uniswap, did the same. And the effectively AirDrop was worth something like 10,000 US dollars to everyone who had used uniswap Up until that point, and basically just became the leader of almost a monopoly. But I think other places is sort of taking their share of the pie now.

Jamie: 1:00:40

Yeah. Yeah, this this is maybe a first for the podcast, we always have a list of topics. And we always seem to not be able to cover one or two of them, because we get so long winded on some of them. But this one, we've gone through everything.

Roy: 1:00:55

Yeah, I think part of that is just because we haven't been as in the NFT space as much this last week or even this last three weeks. So I mean, there are 100 things going on that we could talk about if we knew what was going on, but we just don't. I mean, there's this eight eight project that

Jamie: 1:01:16

where I literally, literally, I've seen it, like people talking about it. I have no idea what it is.

Roy: 1:01:22

Yeah, I barely know what it is. So from my understanding, there's a Twitter influencer, his Twitter profile is a date, crypto, add crypto or something. And he is following 888 people. And he said when I get to 88,800 followers, I'm going to launch this NFT. And he did that. And it basically is I think a tweet of his prefer Twitter. Oh, okay.

Jamie: 1:01:49

So I saw people also talking about how you know, they have to market skin so stupid. First, we were doing JPEGs. Then we did text files, and now we're doing screenshots. And so that they add is the screenshot that people are talking about. Yeah, yes, sir. Well, I mean, that does sound stupid. But

Roy: 1:02:05

yeah, he's basically using it as his Genesis token as like a utility, token membership, right. He's promising to deliver value and create partnerships, and people believe it and value it. I think the full price is around two eth at the moment.

Jamie: 1:02:21

So I mean, that's assuming that there's 1888 or something.

Roy: 1:02:25

I'm also assuming that I don't know for sure. But it would make sense. There were toads some sort of crypto todo. Yeah, I remember that as well. I don't really know what's going on with them.

Jamie: 1:02:38

Yeah. But people seem to like them. Or, you know, we're doing a vaguely coordinated, non non explicit pump of them. Yes. Certainly. A lot of people on Twitter, were talking about them and showing off there's

Roy: 1:02:56

there's a sneaky vampire syndicate. Have you heard of that?

Jamie: 1:02:59

I have heard of that. Let's just Let's just tell the listeners. We promised that for Episode Seven will be more in the know about the NFT. Market. We we both were just on holidays last vacation. And we're a little bit out of it. Yeah, we know that we're supposed to be the host of an empty pocket that you're listening to right this second. And you come to us for information. And we're just going hey,

Roy: 1:03:24

I'm literally looking at the T rankings going? Oh, that's a thing. Have you heard of that? Yeah. But

Jamie: 1:03:30

let's let's let's wrap this episode up, because that is not interesting.

Roy: 1:03:35

Alright, that's fair. You list there's a bunch of stuff that I want to learn about. So for next week, we'll be talking about maybe some vampires. Maybe some monkey bent down the creature world. That's something that happened. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Actually,

Jamie: 1:03:51

I know. I have you heard there's like, there's like a sports team on going on. Does that. Does that ring any bells?

Roy: 1:03:58

You know? There's, you saw the Steph Curry interview today where he mentioned? Yeah, so we're talking about the CM sailboats on our podcast. Yeah, yeah. And Steph Curry just did an interview today where he was talking about cryptocurrency and how

Jamie: 1:04:20

he's gonna be an ambassador for FTX or something. Yes. Which I guess is a just another one of the centralized exchanges maybe I don't even know what it is.

Roy: 1:04:29

Yeah, I think it's like by Nance but Yeah, different. Or doing its own thing has its own twist. It seems I earned some of the token I remember a bunch of people talking a lot about it a few months ago, and it seemed like a smart. It seemed like a good platform run by smart personal smart people. So obviously huge for them that they got Steph Curry as an ambassador. And yeah, right at the end of this interview, we'll post the link to his Yeah, his wife just goes So he's been trying to figure out the space and he's been trying to figure out what a sea ham is. Yep. Which is just about red.

Jamie: 1:05:07

Yeah. Because Vincent van dough sent him one. We should let our listeners know that. We mentioned that. I didn't even know that. Oh, yeah, yeah. So he has one. Vincent van Gogh sent him just to Amazon. I assume lots of people or enough people tweeted at him about it. But he heard the name see him and talk to his wife about it. And that's why she had mentioned that

Roy: 1:05:29

those funny, man I love NFT's.

Jamie: 1:05:32

Yeah, they're so awesome. Oh, actually, that Well, now, we can talk about this later. I was going to talk about the vacation and ft that I was thinking of doing just as literally just as like a souvenir for me and the people I was on the trip with. Yeah, not not at all as a thing to sell or to pump but just as, like all of us to remember the trip buyer. Seems like an awesome use case today.

Roy: 1:05:55

Yeah, it seems fun. Fun and cool. All right. What would you like to plug Jamie?

Jamie: 1:06:03

I don't have anything personally that I want to plug that I haven't already plugged a bunch. But if you like comic books, I'm just about finished rereading through Brian, Michael Bendis and add brew bakers. Back to Back runs on Daredevil. And they're great. So if you like reading comic books, maybe check those out. Cool. Well, yeah, what about you? Right? What would you like to plug

Roy: 1:06:29

i I'll plug my one eth challenge because that's just a fun cool thing that I mean, and I guess in conjunction with that my Discord channel which I'll post a link to in the description below it. It was originally a discord for Zen Academy, this educational platform that I had big dreams for and ideas for and wanted to build but sort of over the last month or so have been veering away from wanting to follow through with that for various reasons. And I mean largest basically being wanting better work life balance and if I were to go through with it, it would like the require many many 16 hour work days to do it well and I wouldn't want to do it if it didn't do it well. So I basically changed my Discord now from Zen Academy, just discord just to Zeneca discord basically, for some of the projects, my newsletter my wanting challenge out podcast, and general discussion.

Jamie: 1:07:27

It's sort of the de facto place to go to talk about this podcast right now. There's a channel and a call Two Bored Apes. Yeah. And we've been interacting with the fans there. So maybe actually, that could be a thing we can plug specifically is get in there and hang out and talk with us. Yeah, I was having fun actually talking to one listener who was from Portugal the other day while I was there, and they were just, you know, asking me what I done. And if I want to recommendations, and we were going back and forth, and I was just enjoying that. I like I like connecting with the fans and seeing where all these people come from is very cool. Looking at these stats. We got listeners like everywhere.

Roy: 1:08:04

Yeah, it's crazy. Like Kent, Washington.

Jamie: 1:08:08

Right, Kent? Kent, Washington episode one they were loving us and Kent Washington. Yeah. Which is not right. Yeah. Well, it's not a tiny town, but like, it should not have been the fifth most listened to city in the whole world for our podcasts that didn't make any damn sense.

Roy: 1:08:23

Yeah. When like Sydney, London, Singapore, New York City, New York

Jamie: 1:08:27

City and then shout out to any listeners in Kent, Washington. Thanks for

Roy: 1:08:33

listening. Yo. And the shout out to anyone listening from Qatar.

Jamie: 1:08:39

Oh, yes. Yes. Qatar?

Roy: 1:08:42

No. Oh, yes. You agree now that it's not Carla?

Jamie: 1:08:45

I kind of do. Yeah, so someone tweeted at me a YouTube blink of somebody who lives in the country. So like a 10 minute video of him going, I'm going to tell you how to pronounce the country I'm from now. This is just one person's opinion. They could just be a paid actor who knows? But I'm becoming convinced now that I heard this thing about it being Qatar and it was just a dumb person's opinion and not a real thing.

Roy: 1:09:13

All right, what about archetype? Where do you sit on that?

Jamie: 1:09:15

I have only been told that I'm wrong. Nobody nobody has said that right. So I guess I have to probably concede that one as well. Excellent. You're doing great lately I

Roy: 1:09:26

am yeah. Dang it. I mean there's a few that we just will always disagree on I think be it a beta scarcity scarcity

Jamie: 1:09:34

right? I mean, I think I'm right on those two I don't

Roy: 1:09:36

think you are we had someone from England pipe up and say that I the way I say it is correct. The English

Jamie: 1:09:43

army what do

Roy: 1:09:44

they know the English language?

Jamie: 1:09:47

Oh, that's funny. Thought about that. I was just trying to slag on all country.

Roy: 1:09:52

Oh boy. Yeah. How about we say I speak English. You speak American.

Jamie: 1:09:57

Okay, sure. You will we Okay. Speak English you speak

Roy: 1:10:01

no no. Okay. Oh boy.

Jamie: 1:10:04

Episode Six of Two Bored Apes thanks for listening to listening

Intro: 1:10:19

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh