Two Bored Apes - NFT Podcast

Episode 9 - Jaime Sells his Sea Ham to Starry Night Capital

October 05, 2021 Two Bored Apes
Two Bored Apes - NFT Podcast
Episode 9 - Jaime Sells his Sea Ham to Starry Night Capital
Show Notes Transcript

On Episode 9 of Two Bored Apes, Jaime and Roy dive into their usual segments: News of the Week, BAYC and Art Blocks. Specifically, twitter verifying NFTs, ApeFest 2021 and the Art Blocks projects "Skulptuur" and "Meridian". They also A a lot of Qs from Twitter, and there's even a surprise guest appearance!

Time Stamps

0:55 - News of the Week
18:04 - Bored Ape Yacht Club
35:53 - Art Blocks
1:14:27 - Twitter Q&A
2:00:52 - Abstract of the Day + 1 Eth Challenge
2:14:10 - Plug Segment

Twitter previews NFT profile picture verification

ApeFest details revealed

BAYC/CryptoPunks/Meebits Christie's Auction Results

Skulptuur (Art Blocks Curated project by Piter Plasma)

Meridian (Art Blocks Playground project by Matt DesLauriers)

Tweet Thread about Generative Art Grails

Ringers #109 (New record AB sale, 2100 eth)

Wallet of Ringers #109 Buyer (Steve Cohen???) 

Letters to my Future Self (Art Blocks Factory project by Ryan Struhl)

Oncyber Gallery of Dbochman

Day 8 (New record Abstract of the Day sale, .5 eth)

Day 103 (First animated Abstract of the Day)

Zeneca's Discord Server


Jamie:

The hosts have Two Bored Apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice. On this week's episode of Two Bored Apes we talked about Twitter's NFT verification. We talked about the details of Ape fest for the Bored Apes Yatch Club in New York City. We talk about various new artblocks projects such as Meridian and sculptor, and we take a lot of Q's on Twitter and provide a lot of A's. Then, as per usual, we give an update on Roy's one eth challenge and my abstract of the day project

Intro:

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jamie:

Welcome to episode nine to of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jamie. I'm here with my friend and co host Roy. Roy, how are you doing?

Roy:

Good. I'm I'm willing myself into being energized. Just before we started recording I Yawened and

Jamie:

a lot of yawns in our little preamble.

Roy:

Yeah, but I'm at a coffee. I'm gonna drink it. I'm gonna be raring to go in five minutes. How are you?

Jamie:

I'm not kidding. I think it's raring to go.

Roy:

I think you might be right. Yeah.

Jamie:

Good. Good.

Roy:

Should we just jump straight into the first segment? News of the Week?

Jamie:

Yeah, let's get into the news of the week.

Roy:

I think. I mean, to me, the biggest news is still sort of what was the news of the week last week, which was Twitter, essentially, is moving towards verifying NFT's. And last week, it was like a rumor. Just Twitter had made a tweet with a meme saying that we're working on it.

Jamie:

But then as a response to a request, yes.

Roy:

And then but throughout this week, we saw like actual video footage of what it would look like in use. And it looks tweet, like Have you seen it?

Jamie:

From an actual Twitter Twitter engineer or something? It wasn't like, Yeah, somebody hypothesizing this was them showing us what? What they like? Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Roy:

And, and I did see it. Yeah. So it's basically he just, you know, he's on his Twitter account, he connects to his mafi, she's sorry, I'm not familiar, we didn't see them. But she's on her Twitter account, she connects to him at a meta mask wallet, and effectively just verifies that she has this NFT. And then her profile picture just has this little Aetherium symbol as the verification, which I think is really cool.

Jamie:

Yeah, it was just basically a standard web, web 3.0 wallet connecting to check like we've done with all sorts of other things. And then they they, like you said just added basically the equivalent of the blue checkmark. But to validate that your NFT is actually on chain, they put a little a cerium thing there. And then so people, you know, we're pretty quick to go well, then, you know, people can just upload the image of a crypto punk onto the Etherium chain, and not have it be a legitimate crypto punk. And then, you know, they're still going to get this thing. But you know, it was also a very early stage thing. So they may get down to contract level or some other thing.

Roy:

Yeah, I think that will not allow that whitelist certain collections. And just say that,

Jamie:

like instead of the Etherium thing, they could put the like the crypto punk thing. Yeah, exactly. There's lots of things they can do. And oh my god, that would be cool. The little board APR club skull to show that it's a legitimate one.

Roy:

Yeah. Oh, man. It's awesome.

Jamie:

I like when people I've seen this a bit on Twitter lately, where people in the NFT space are talking about how, like, Did you also see the Tick Tock news? Actually,

Roy:

I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. So

Jamie:

people are basically just going, okay, there's 200 million Twitter users, there's 1 billion tick tock users, and there's 30,000 NFT buyers. And now Twitter and tick tock are about to start embracing NFT's in a big way. Like this seems really good for people that already have NFT's. Yeah.

Roy:

When it was so early. It's crazy. Yeah. Um, so

Jamie:

the other the other news of the week we kind of wanted to talk about was just the general market, which sort of counts right?

Roy:

I think so. Yeah. It's we generally don't talk about it. I mean, it's not

Jamie:

we kind of do but but not maybe since the news of the week segment, because it's it's just always relevant. What if things are going crazy or less crazy? Yeah, maybe it's, it's sort of confined to the Yacht Club and then our blocks and then whatever specifically, it happens to be mooning that week or something. But in general things are had been looking a lot more bullish this last week.

Roy:

Yeah, I think so like NFT markets, but also just if you're in pricing bitcoin price and everything, is it? Yeah, I mean, it's now Yeah.

Jamie:

is recovering from the news that China is banning? Kryptos for the 12th time or whatever?

Roy:

Yeah, it's great to see. I mean, I think that even though theorems 3400, the fact that NFT's, you know, generally going up in price as well is just a really, really good bullish sign.

Jamie:

Yeah. Now, what about Snoop Dogg? Does he count as news of the week?

Roy:

Was that this week? I mean, definitely it well,

Jamie:

but I think we don't didn't talk about it specifically at all in the last couple of weeks. And he's just kind of getting more and more into it. Seemingly, yeah. Fake news. Yeah. And now he's announced as one of the people that's doing the halftime show with the Super Bowl, which is huge as well,

Roy:

that is huge. So for people who don't know, about a month ago, maybe two months ago, this anonymous account on Twitter popped up, Cosmo McGeachie. And he just started buying punks. And then like really expensive art blocks X copy all this really, you know, estia NFT NFT's. And no one knew who he was. It was anonymous. And then he like over the last couple of weeks, came out with some cryptic clues and said he was going to docs himself, which is revealed his identity,

Jamie:

but hold on a second. He wasn't he also sort of implying that he came from like old European money, and was like a, an old moneyed family. Yeah,

Roy:

I can't quite remember. Maybe he was.

Jamie:

They remember him playing some sort of character like yeah, getting I definitely

Roy:

remember him talking about being in Italy a lot. And like, maybe having

Jamie:

the muddy cheese as we may or may not know, they were like, maybe a big banking family and like the 1400s Yeah, I think Italian Italy, something like that. Yeah. They had their show on Showtime or HBO or something that was popular recently.

Roy:

Yeah. But anyway, so he said he was going to reveal himself. And then the day that he was going to do that. Snoop Dogg, like Snoop Dogg's Twitter account, tweeted, I am Cosmo de McGeachie. And people just lost their brains. And I'm like, Wait, really? Is that actually him? And no one really knew you could have just been the the person behind the Cosmo Twitter account was just friends with snoop on your Snoop and they were just doing this prank or whatever.

Jamie:

Yeah, I definitely didn't think it was true immediately. That was

Roy:

but it really has become more and more apparent over the last couple of weeks that it is actually Snoop connected to that it

Jamie:

does seem legit.

Roy:

I mean, he's like his he's into the NFT space. He's post he changed his profile picture like on his Snoop Dogg account or crypto punk.

Jamie:

Yeah, Jay Z and Snoop Dogg. Have crypto punk avatars. It's so crazy there. I mean, I guess you are not American or into hip hop enough. But like, that is so crazily huge.

Roy:

Yeah. I mean, I'm, it's

Jamie:

hard. It's hard to put it into words, because Snoop Dogg is sort of the ultimate of the OG west coast rappers. And Jay Z is sort of the ultimate of the OG east coast rappers. And it's like, wow,

Roy:

yeah. I mean, I'm not big into hip hop, or I'm obviously not American. But I understand that. It's massive. Yeah, it's huge. And I had to I don't have a punk I need. I know kicking myself, since they were, I was so close to pulling the trigger. I think they were like 18, eight or 15/8. And they were just always just

Jamie:

you you are you would do a great job, like raising money by selling stuff. But you'd get like halfway there and have like, nine Ethan but like, Well, I gotta jump into this thing. And I'll get it. I'll keep getting more stuff later. And then it was just it was gone. Yeah.

Roy:

I mean, it was. Yeah, yes. Oh, well, the women or you know, some projects, right. Yeah. But yeah, it is just me.

Jamie:

I think it's hard to pull the trigger.

Roy:

I think specifically on these podcasts early on, I may have spoken about how I just believe that I can use that liquidity better flipping other things that I'll be able to outperform a crypto punk. And yeah, I don't know if that's true or not, probably not. Because, you know, they've just gone absolutely crazy.

Jamie:

But they kind of they kind of haven't, like when I very very first got into NFTs. They were already like 30,000. And so like from there they've and this sounds crazy. They've only like 13 acts on the floor. Yeah. But if you look at like all of the our every single thing on our blocks at the time, yeah, versus where it is. Now. It's all done a lot more than 13 hours. Basically, yeah,

Roy:

maybe everything is 100x since like, yeah, and then like board

Jamie:

APR Club was sort of the next year, because like, there wasn't even really avatar project. I mean, I think we talked about this on like episode two or something. But between crypto punks and board APR club, there was like Avid stars and the TAs aren't avatars. And that's about it. Eight only Hello? April. Yes, sort of, but when there's the collection, is that small? Yeah.

Roy:

And no one really, it just wasn't a thing as like it was Yeah, crypto punk. Or, I guess some people were using hash masks as avatars. But it was It wasn't Yeah, that's true. Yeah. It was nothing like what the landscape is now.

Jamie:

Um, so the the news of the week is that NFT's are getting much, much more mainstream. Oh, how about this is not NFT's but I guess ostensibly, we are also a D fi. Did you hear the VSA news? That's quite big as well.

Roy:

So something about it? Does thing.

Jamie:

Yeah. And it's but it's an Aetherium layer, too. So it's like they're picking the right chain? And that's, that's basically all I have to say. Yeah, they're, they're doing something within their payment solutions business, which is, you know, all they do is going to be on a theorem layer two, I really dig too deep into it. But VSA is enormous. Yeah. Like really enormous. And the fact that they're embracing it is, is sort of interesting, because that's also the thing where, you know, a lot of times when people get excited about, say, these auction houses, or big media companies, or even these financial companies getting into it, some of the very decentralization, maximalists and stuff like that are going, we're trying to build something new, like these people suck, and we're trying to move away from it. Like, why are we excited that they're embracing us and that sort of thing, but I think you have to kind of take each case on a case by case basis and and look at, um, you know, are they trying to usurp it? Are they trying to co opt it? Or are they legitimately going, Oh, this is this is a legit thing. And we want to be a part of it. We're not we're not trying to take it over. We're not trying to build our own bullshit, very centralized chain. Like we're embracing the real thing and we get it, you know, that there's a huge difference. From you know, also like celebrity to celebrity when they get into it. Some of them are very cash grabby, and others totally get it.

Roy:

Yeah, it's definitely a case by case situation for both of those. I mean, I personally think visa getting involved is Isa seems like they get it. It does seem like they get they bought a punk. A couple months ago, that sort of that was the first time I think the price really shut up. And then shortly after that, three hours capital just inhaled 100 punks in one Etherium block.

Jamie:

Right. Yeah. Crazy. Was that after? Not before? I think it probably was after I think you're

Roy:

right. I think it was very shortly after. Yeah, it was definitely close. Yeah, it was all in that same little insane period. Yeah, but it seems good things are happening in the NFT space in the crypto space in general. of the markets reacting positively to what's going on. And October. Oh, one.

Jamie:

There's one more actually how about this the NFL? That seems relevant as a news of the week?

Roy:

What? Sure. Well, I know what the NFL is. But what's the news? Oh, yeah, yeah,

Jamie:

so dapper Labs is the company behind Top Shot, which was like the biggest and earliest NFT project, sort of in a lot of people's minds. Is that Is that a fair sentence? Yeah, they were around a long time ago. And it was definitely the first project for a lot of people, there might be a better way of saying, Yeah, but anyway, it was just for NBA and WNBA. And now they're getting into the NFL as well, which has much more viewership in the United States. But outside of the United States is less I'm, I'm very curious how Top Shot NBA moments prices will kind of react to this because I I couldn't really see it going either way, where it sort of sucks out a lot of liquidity that wants to go to NFL or just brings more eyeballs to it. And and also them just kind of being more oh, gee, I'm very curious, but it's also a space that neither of us have even dabbled in know. So our missions are pretty uneducated. I'm

Roy:

extremely unfamiliar with I mean, Top Shot and x infinity of the two massive things and empty space that I'm you know, basically completely ignorant on I know that there was you know, huge oversupply and saturation and people had issues cashing out and like getting actually realizing that the game They made early on and top out and there's a lot of ill will seems like they've sort of been

Jamie:

doing it also seemed like they think people just stopped getting gains like, Yeah, from the time that I first got into FTS, which was like maybe March ish. until like, a month and a half ago, I only ever heard people complaining about how their top trot account was going down in value every single day. Yeah, Twitter. And meanwhile, every other NFC project was just mooning. Yeah. But I guess they've been doing quite a bit better. Very recently. Yeah.

Roy:

Well, that's good to hear. I mean, yeah. Although I did hear some sort of complaints or people not happy about dapper labs, getting involved with the NFL, because it maybe takes rights away from the players themselves. And it's sort of centralizing it too much to the, to the likes of a

Jamie:

well, the NFL already made pretty stringent rules, as I recall. Yes. Exactly. That that prevented players and or teams from kind of having too much freedom to do stuff like that themselves.

Roy:

Yeah. And at the end of that, I think that's like these players, they signed contracts with the NFL the I think getting paid pretty well if the in the NFL. I don't know exactly, yes.

Jamie:

NFL players definitely make a lot. But you do have, on average, a very short career. Yeah. So it's, you're not just set for life if you make it to the NFL.

Roy:

Yeah. I mean, it would be cool if they could do more on an individual basis with NFT's. And not

Jamie:

standing. Some of them have like, I know, Rob, I think Rob Gronkowski was probably the first. He definitely had a whole project. I'm actually pulling it up right now just to see what the prices are. But I think he's the first NFL player to have something I wouldn't know. But yeah, but and then I think subsequent to him, the NFL kind of dropped the hammer not allowing you to do that kind of thing anymore. Yeah. I guess Tom Brady had some that were like, partnered with DraftKings, if I remember correctly, as well. Okay.

Roy:

I actually, I'm remembering that. Vivi had a partnership with I think the NFL Players Association or something like that. And I remember the news came out months ago, I haven't followed it up. I don't know. It's

Jamie:

they haven't released any or anything from it.

Roy:

I don't know. I was so into Vivi. And I remember that way back in the day. And it's just it's sort of slipped off my radar and the things like I would be, you know, every single drop every week, and I've just stopped doing that. But it seems like it's definitely a thing and a place where you should be trying to mint because they're gonna get

Jamie:

I still have that Superman that I meant to. Yeah, I

Roy:

think that's going up a lot. Yeah, when those things get on open, see, they're just gonna completely moon I think,

Jamie:

oh, my god. I can't wait for a nice Daredevil thing for me to spend a lot on because I just love him.

Roy:

Yeah. All right. All right. This

Jamie:

has been news of the week, right?

Roy:

Yeah, that's, it's the sub segment.

Jamie:

News of the Week. Let's talk about aboard a yacht club,

Roy:

bought a yacht club.

Jamie:

Nice. Let's start with the Christie's auction. The auction ended.

Roy:

It did it. Anyway, it wasn't anything spectacular prices. Were not mind blowing, but not extremely disappointing. It was it

Jamie:

was quite similar to the Sotheby's auction where the price is you go. Yeah, that sounds about right. It's It's not exciting. And it's not disappointing.

Roy:

Yeah. And everyone just sort of moved on with their business slowly shifted the Twitter avatars away from wearing suits. And it's like, alright, yeah. Yeah. I mean, the most exciting day and the auction was like the day

Jamie:

it started or the day before. Yeah, it was, like the lead up to it. That was a lot of fun. It was

Roy:

Yeah. And then there's just like, 10 days of twiddling thumbs and a result. Yeah, yes. I mean, that that's the thing that happened in completed, I think. I mean, it's very cool and exciting that they're getting auctioned off in these famous auction houses. But it's it's not as amazing. As exciting as it was the very first time it happened.

Jamie:

Yeah, I kind of want to get sidetracked now and talk about the art blocks. auction that was happening. Yeah, we will. But boy, do I want to get sidetracked and talk about it now. But let's not. And let's talk about the eight fest details because that's, that's a bigger deal that there's more meat that we can chew on or whatever for this segment.

Roy:

Yes. So a vest is something that they the board of your club announced during as a part of roadmap 2.0. And they said, end of October started November, there's just going to be a fest 2021 in New York City, and we didn't know much until a couple of days ago, where they made a big announcement basically outlining the plans. And I was planning to go for, for this for NFT NYC and there's an app blocks event in Marfa. Actually in a couple of days from after this is released but because the United States is the government decided they didn't want to risk anyone from certain countries coming in due to COVID. I am just going to be sitting at home and doing my own thing. So it's a bit of a bummer. But it you're going to be going I think,

Jamie:

to a fast Yes. Yes. I will be going for some of it. Almost certainly.

Roy:

Very cool. So let me just run that I have it open here. I'll run down a bit of what's going on. So they have at bright moments Gallery in New York City, which is just an art gallery, I think and the team at bright moments has they sort of had this interactive in in real life minting experience for like an OP looks NFT crypto Venetians in LA. And I think they're going to be doing a similar thing in New York. So there's basically just an eight fest Halloween party at this gallery. With Oh, yeah, so initially some looking exhibition and then after that, the Halloween party, and then the next day, there's a yacht party, and this sounds very cool and exciting. They said that they've rented out a 1000 person yacht, like that's

Jamie:

yep, that's huge. That's humongous.

Roy:

That is how how, yeah, for Halloween night along the Hudson. I mean, that sounds amazingly

Jamie:

it's a three hour trip I believe a three hour tour de Id No, Gilligan's Island is that

Roy:

island, but three hours? I don't know. That is

Jamie:

the theme song is very famous here anyway. They say it's it was supposed to be a three hour tour. And I think actually this this trip is also three hours and said 830 to 1130 If I remember right,

Roy:

sounds about right. Yes. 1000 30,000 person potty on a yacht. Sounds awesome. And then on the second they said there's an eight fest merch pop ups. It'll be food trucks, talent. And some other things. I guess. They'll sell some merch. And there's a warehouse party the day after that Wednesday, the third to free admittance for members handing out to deter. Yeah, I guess it's just a party. This is nothing. Yeah. Much opening act and headline it to be announced. So the more and then on Sixth? They have a charity dinner at Carbone. Is that a very nice restaurant? Yep. Capacity limited. And tickets will be auctioned off with the proceeds going to charity after costs are covered. So that sounds very cool. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah,

Jamie:

that one's quite exclusive. It's only there's only 50 spots. 50. Yeah. So I assume that though, we're gonna raise a lot of money for charity.

Roy:

I think so I would love to go to that. And that's the one.

Jamie:

I kind of assume that they'll match it to that kind of seems like a thing that they would want to do. It does. Yeah. I can't be sure. But

Roy:

yeah, I think depending on how crazy the prices get. I mean, if I think if it's, I don't know, under 3000.

Jamie:

I might. Yeah, that's true. I mean, there there's probably some crazily rich ape owners that in theory could could donate so much money that even you go apps could could not afford to do it. I assume it won't get that crazy.

Roy:

Probably not at 50. Like that's, that's not a lot of a lot of people that can attend.

Jamie:

No.

Roy:

Uh, anyway. So of all those things, what are you thinking you want to go to?

Jamie:

The thing that I most want to go to is definitely the yacht party. That sounds spectacular. And it's also because it's got so many people, it seems like it's the easiest to get into.

Roy:

Probably, yeah.

Jamie:

I mean, so what there's like 4000 Something eight boners 5008 boners

Roy:

5000. It's over 5000 now.

Jamie:

Yeah. And we have to assume like 3000 of them are just absolutely not even thinking about going, you know? Yeah, it seems like it seems like if I'm going to New York for it, it should not be particularly difficult for me to get included in this 1000 I don't know where some of the other ones.

Roy:

So there's only 750

Jamie:

actual right the first 250 get a plus one. Yeah.

Roy:

Uh, yeah, it's really hard to tell but a shout. Shout out to Andy. And

Jamie:

yeah, I think you'll go I get it. Yeah, I didn't know what you're saying. None of our listeners are gonna get that. No, no, not one.

Roy:

But that's sad. None.

Jamie:

Why would they,

Roy:

Matt, Matt will get it anyway.

Jamie:

For now, I'm just gonna have to include them and we have a old friend from our poker days and his online screen name on the poker sites was hard to tell and and you just happen to say the words hard to tell. And then And then just mentioned to Andy like it was something that would be relevant to people listening.

Roy:

Yeah, and we it's definitely much funnier now that we've explained it. Yeah, yeah. All right. So the the yo party.

Jamie:

So Max, man, by the way. Hey, Matt, did you Are you enjoying this part of the podcast that literally only you understand? We hope you do and sorry for alienating every single other listener?

Roy:

Yeah. Shout out to Kent Washington. Oh, yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, it sounds very cool. It sounds like it's gonna be a type of thing that they do every year as well.

Jamie:

Yes, they say on the thing it says annual a plus. Oh, nice. Yeah. So that that doesn't mean annual. Um, now can you remind me when NFT NYC is it's right after this or during it or coincides?

Roy:

I think it's like first week in November. So like the, it's just off to the party, basically.

Jamie:

I actually don't know much about NFT.NYC. What it's like just a kind of a conference, or

Roy:

yeah, that's my basic rough understanding. It's like a conference, it'll be a ton of speakers from, you know, open sea, there'll be people there'll be people from all these from their own NFT projects. They're talking about their projects. And it was like booked up when I looked into it. It's been extreme, like, it's been booked out, and they're like, will release late tickets, you know, first of September, and then they just instantly sold out. And then like, I released them late late tickets, and they're just massively instantly selling out that the demand is huge. As is to be expected, because they've actually had this for at least one year. Maybe they've had it for a few years. But like NFT NYC in New York in 2020 was probably like six people. Competitive now. It's like,

Jamie:

boy looking at like those open seat monthly graphs is so crazy. Oh, yeah. Yeah, we'll link one of those in the show notes. So people can

Roy:

Yeah, just like, you can't tell what the last two months is been. Because it's just like this flat line across the bottom for like

Jamie:

900000 basically. And then insanity the last two months. Yeah.

Roy:

So yeah. Is that was there any other board eight news?

Jamie:

I'm sure there was something but oh, you know what? Yes, we have a new record sale.

Roy:

Oh, right. What was that again?

Jamie:

It was 769 ether, I believe. Yeah, I also think that that was the number one rarest one according to rarity tools. So I'm gonna look that up real quick. But it's it's a basically a very clean trippy for one. Yeah, for Tracy here.

Roy:

I remember that. Um,

Jamie:

it's also one that's been like flipped a few times. Yeah, I think I'm doing a very bad job scrolling. I apologize. It is not number one. Let's see. It's number nine. According to rarity tools.

Roy:

That's still that's that's up the Yeah, it's a four trade

Jamie:

trippy. With a cigarette in his mouth and angry eyes. I love the trippy for me too. I like trippy and noise more than I like gold.

Roy:

I think I like trippy more than gold. But I'm not a huge fan of noise. I don't know. The noise is like

Jamie:

the the the pixels or whatever, are maybe a little bit too small. So it's like it's a little bit hard to read yet it's noise for but if you are looking at a big enough image to me, they look quite nice.

Roy:

And why didn't we missed some that would have been fun.

Jamie:

I think I was I can't remember like if I was even minting anything at the time, like maybe a tiny amount of art blocks. Yeah, that was so goddamn early in my career.

Roy:

Yeah. So we have this friend that we always talk about. The friend that got us into NFT's and Artblocks. I remember the morning after he told us about what he was like bored apes are going off. I made some in bed at 4am. Last night I was sleepy. I didn't think it would pop off. Sorry, I didn't tell you guys. And then he subsequently had sold them all for like, point 3.5 or something. And obviously would regret that in hindsight, but yeah, so he didn't think it was going to be a big thing. And he was just one of those sleepy mints that most of us do. Sometimes. We're like, Ah, alright, I'll make a few just in case and then boom, just put it

Jamie:

all it's kind of seems weird because like, it sort of makes sense now because now we've seen all these examples of them mooning. And there's all these options, but at the time, like there just wasn't NFT projects. It feels like Yeah, the one there wasn't examples of ones that had Moon No. Like there was crypto punks, but it's like that was a four year old thing that would that had moon because it It had all this historical value, the ideal of like a new. I don't know, it just the NFT space was so so different than Yeah,

Roy:

I mean, clearly. I mean, no one saw it coming, or they would have just bought up all

Jamie:

of them. Frank see that? I guess, right. Well,

Roy:

he didn't he didn't like, yeah, humans did a ton. They made

Jamie:

a ton, but could have made a ton more basically.

Roy:

Yeah. So frankly, is a big whale in the NFT. Space. He means it 1000 bodies, maybe 1250 1250

Jamie:

did it like 1000 At the beginning, and then another 250? Yeah, later, I think.

Roy:

And I would say he sold most of them before 5/8. Definitely, which is still an enormous return. But yes, yeah. And now he says he has one left, so

Jamie:

that's sick. Did you see his tweet today? Yes. Yeah. So he's basically kind of running down his I guess you could call him sort of low lights. But it was basically where he would he would tell you all these great projects that he got in on super early in huge numbers, such as minting 1258. And then kind of tell you how he sold way too early, basically over and over again.

Roy:

Yeah, he did it a bunch of times. He also said he was the second person in the action. Yeah, in the x infinity discord. And that's crazy. He like he had some and then he sold all of them in 2018.

Jamie:

Yeah. Oh, have you ever seen that famous trade he made what for? It was like a punk zombie for like a couple of stupid Top Shot moments with beanie. And it's just like the worst trade and all of NFT history or something and no, so he traded it basically got like, I think he's traded a zombie punk to beanie for, like a couple Topshop moments that are maybe worth $40,000 or something. Wow.

Roy:

Yeah, that's wild.

Jamie:

Whatever. They're both gonna be fine. Yes, it's

Roy:

the speaking of beanie. Did you see he was buying up Cool Cats today? I did not see that. So he sold a punk for 220 eth. And then he was just on Twitter going, what should I buy? And decided to buy cool cats? No, I

Jamie:

did. I didn't see him asking. He was saying your ape or our blocks are cool cats, I think.

Roy:

Yeah. And he bought, at least from what he posted. 12 cool cats. And they're all like, slightly rarer ones. higher end ones. Yeah. So that's kind of good for him. And yeah,

Jamie:

I have one cool cat. I had to I really wish I didn't sell the other one. But oh, well. Oh, that a 1.75?

Roy:

Yeah, I have. I have four. I had five. I sold one. This week. Just I'm in a bit of a selling phase the moment?

Jamie:

Yeah. So you've been talking about it on Twitter a little bit? Yeah. Trying to clean it up a little bit and raise some money for some future shopping?

Roy:

Basically. Yeah. And just now are do

Jamie:

you have anything in mind that you're kind of trying to save up for or you're just kind of trying to just be smart with your portfolio where it is right now?

Roy:

The only thing is a punk. That's, that's I still want that. So yeah,

Jamie:

it's because you sort of actively tried to get enough money for a punk for like a couple of weeks. And then it just seems like you give up. And I haven't really heard you talk about it again lately as something you're going for. But I guess now it sounds like you're going for one again?

Roy:

Well, no, I'm not actively going for it. I'm, if I was going to think of going? Yeah, if I was gonna spend on a big ticket item and I was thinking about one it would be a punk. But the reason I'm selling is basically that it's just too time consuming to stay on top of all these projects, too. And yeah, especially the ones that I've mentored in the last two weeks, it's just I just almost stupid like I've made money on them as well. But it's like the amount of just time and and stress even and brain capacity involved in tracking the full prices listed. Let's even listing individual items for sale like, again, epitome of firstworldproblems. But when you have 60 or 100, and if he's in collection just takes an hour or two to list them for sale. And I I've decided that I'd rather spend my time on different things, either still investing in entities but more expensive items and fewer quantity or getting more into the Creator building side.

Jamie:

I think you basically had the same exact sort of Epiphany on episode two of this podcast. I was like, how are you? And you're like, I'm burnt out. I need a break.

Roy:

Yeah, well, then I had a break. We went on vacation for three weeks. I came back and I was like, I'm excited. I'm back into NFT's and we're going to flip and then I'm back at the burnout phase again. I would say I'm less burnt out now than I was then I wouldn't even say I'm good out I'm just I'm making a what I think is a smart conscious decision to adjust my strategy. Yeah, yeah. It's just like smart. Yeah. Even, like not being burnt out at all, I think that at a certain point, if your portfolio and bankroll grows to a size, you just have to adjust from, you know, minting projects at point o five and flipping them for point nine, it just doesn't become as sensible as other investment strategies.

Jamie:

Right? Yeah. Especially when you're when you're really looking at it from a standpoint of time and brain capacity.

Roy:

Yes, definitely.

Jamie:

And I just wanted to remind you, this is the board APR club segment, right?

Roy:

Yeah, yeah. I was just about a sidetrack again, into my one eat challenge, but we'll get into that way later.

Jamie:

Yes. Okay. Let's let's wrap this segment up, because it seems like we've already stopped talking about the apes. Alright. Let's talk about our blocks.

Roy:

Blocks. Just do this every segment now.

Jamie:

Yeah. Well, last time, we talked about our blocks. What see sculpture was just about to drop. Is that accurate?

Roy:

That sounds about right. That's crazy, though. It feels like a long time ago.

Jamie:

But that must be right. Yes. Yeah. So since then, we've had one carry drop sculpture, which we just talked about a monster of a playground drop meridian, and then a handful of factory drops and some big sales. Yeah. What do you want to talk about?

Roy:

There's another playground drop as well. Yeah, so true playground drops, and then we'll start with sculpture, the curator drop that happened on last Monday. It we were very excited for it. I think. I mean, I know I was you didn't seem to love them as much maybe.

Jamie:

I thought they looked very. It to me, it was like a technical masterpiece. Like it, they looked so impressive, especially relative to the code. And well, I think we'll get into that in a bit. But the the amount that other people were loving them a clearly was not resonating with me to that level. But I did think they looked amazing as a generative art project that had that little code, but it just it wasn't something that I was going I definitely need to have one of these in my collection. Yeah. Like, like, it seemed like it was resonating for so many other people.

Roy:

Um, yeah, well, I was looking

Jamie:

to get in around maybe three ether mint price or so. And then I think it ended up printing out at six.

Roy:

A some solid six, and there was like a massive gas war at five. So essentially a bot effective 300 days right? At five. Yeah, I think the effective cost, the midsize or mid cost was six, even if you entered at five. But yeah, so I bought basically got 300 minutes at five E's, which a lot of people understandably weren't happy with. And the secondary market price is sort of immediately ran up to eight, nine, maybe even a little higher. But then it was nine and change probably Yeah. And then sort of came crashing down. And now it's at around four. So it's below meant, which I mean, people have gotten burned on it, but it's not sort of a disaster. Like if you meant it at five and now it's four it's like, not so great. Not even close to a disaster if you firm it in at nine on secondary nouns for that's more of a disaster, but it's still like, yeah, like,

Jamie:

it's yeah, it's been a week.

Roy:

Yeah, give it time. It's it's certainly still very much a drop that a lot in the community love and appreciate for the technical

Jamie:

boy and we sound like broken records. But yeah, very, very unique, right? Like, not like any other artblock strop.

Roy:

Yeah. It really is. Yeah, yeah.

Jamie:

It's crazy how often we find saying that, and it sounds like a cliche or something at this point, but just very, very unique.

Roy:

Now, have you looked at the next curator drop coming up?

Jamie:

I don't think so. Actually,

Roy:

I don't think I have either. So that's, I mean, I'm sure it's unique as well, but

Jamie:

it's not it's not listed on curated right now on the website, maybe on the beta site. I don't know

Roy:

but maybe I'm looking at the discord now. And it does look unique, but I can definitely see elements of other projects in it. So

Jamie:

I do not have discord on my laptop. So I can't, I can't quite pull it up right now. But that's okay.

Roy:

Anyway, that one has been postponed. So we'll be able to talk about that before it happens on the next podcast, so we don't need to get into it.

Jamie:

We're also actually we're thinking about changing our record. According to de and then also drop day, so yes, I guess keep keep your eyes peeled for Twitter or something where we might announce that Yeah, but hopefully everybody subscribed and not and not just going to download new episodes by hand or whatever. So it'll, the episodes will automatically.

Roy:

Yeah. Alright, so that's culture the the playground drop that has been a monster is meridian. And so that dropped the day after sculpture.

Jamie:

And can we can we just talk about sculpture for one more minute? Of course, I said, we talked about the code, but I don't think we really got into it. Can you? Do you want to tell people about what's so amazing about it?

Roy:

Yes. So the entire project, like the code for the the art

Jamie:

generates, the entire project is

Roy:

so efficient and condensed, that it is 6.7 kilobytes that like the file bytes. So like, it is minuscule he the the artist, posted a, like a screenshot of the code on Twitter. And it's

Jamie:

like, 45 lines of code. It's like, it's, it's mind blowing.

Roy:

It really is.

Jamie:

And when you look at when you look at the pieces, it looks like, you know, like, the best 3d graphics you've ever seen in a video game almost. Yeah, it's remarkable how in the light sources and the way it the all the pieces sort of reflected it's, it's, it's truly stunning. And the fact that it's being generated with such little code is is out of this world. Yeah, I mean, so talented eyes that artists, I

Roy:

think if he released it and said that it is the most complicated code, and it is larger in like, yeah. Everyone would have believed it. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

Jamie:

It's amazing. Yeah. It's also I'm like, can you talk I don't know if you know, more than me, maybe the way it sort of kind of renders live in the browser, how that is happening or whatever.

Roy:

I don't know too much about the specific spot, basically, yet, it does render. It's a still image. But when it loads, it's like granulated or a little grainy. And then it like over

Jamie:

it just gets sharper and sharper over time as you're looking at it. And you can kind of speed it up. Yeah. Do it a lot. It's very demanding on your computer, I guess. But there's various speeds that you can crank it up. But you don't even need to adjust it up. If you just have it at the standard speed. And wait maybe 30 seconds or whatever. It's it's it ends up quite, quite Yeah, sharp.

Roy:

It really is remarkable. Yeah, I think it'll do well, long term. I think. It's just going into the next drop meridian, which we're about to talk about. It may have softened a little bit from people loving this drop so much that a lot of liquidity and money that might have otherwise been pumped into sculpture just got directed towards meridian, which we'll talk about now. It's a playground drop by Matt de Laureus

Jamie:

saw. I think there might be another s earlier in the name de source, something like that.

Roy:

Yeah. Matt by Matt.

Jamie:

He's the artist who did sub scapes.

Roy:

Yes. Which is a fantastic curated drop. It has under like it, understandably got a very high floor between maybe 3035 at the moment. And

Jamie:

that was my first ever curated drop. Oh, wow. I didn't know that. Yep. And I suppose I sold it. I sold it for point seven, five, like a day or two after? And I thought I was very smart.

Roy:

Yeah, I sold. I sold. I mean that I think two of them, maybe even three and I sold one for like 1.25 very shortly after. And I was like on cloud nine as like, yeah. Tell me this much. And then yeah, yeah. It's really worth 100 eth now, right. Anyway, yeah. This drop, it looks fantastic. It is. Playground, 1000 minutes. It was a Dutch auction. And it sold out at six eth and there was a gas war at six eth. So that is already the most expensive drop like price wise on our blocks. And the fact that there was a gas was insane. And I mean, it's

Jamie:

as well. True the geometry runners was fine was and not enough bigger of a gas where I guess to compensate.

Roy:

Yeah, well, it might have been a gas war at five as well. But I

Jamie:

remember it being one but I guess gas where it's six is still more expensive than gas. We're at five.

Roy:

Yeah, pretty much. If geometry run has started at a higher price maybe would have sold at higher because it's not in five weeks and just immediately sold

Jamie:

out. Right. And then after that they kind of started the auctions at like 15 Whatever, yeah, prevent that.

Roy:

Yeah. Anyway, a meridian is beautiful. It's a How would you describe it?

Jamie:

I, I'm there, it's very vertical. I'll start there. It's It's It's portrait rather than landscape. But it's, it looks almost like like that colored sand art, basically, where you have sort of a thin, couple sheets of glass. And between it, you're kind of layering different colors of sand. A lot of them look like that. But it's sort of trying to, I think, show you a, what looks like landscapes of varying levels of reality. And when I say varying levels of reality, I mean, you know, some of them, look, they're very brightly colored in all sorts of colors of the rainbow, whereas others are much more subdued and earth, Tony, and you know that there can be a ton of layers or not a ton of layers. And yeah, that's, that's my poor start of explaining what it looks like.

Roy:

No, I think I'd pretty much agree with that the whole a lot of people say, like, use that analogy of the sand type, paintings or images. And, yeah, it's just, they look kind of like landscapes. And

Jamie:

some of them also look a lot more like landscape. So that was sort of what I was trying to get at. And when I'm saying varying levels, like, there's a wide variety between how much it looks like a purely abstracted piece of art that's just sort of color and forms, and how much it looks like a representative piece of art that's showing you a scene that you could see on Earth.

Roy:

And sort of the color palettes are very diverse as well. So you have the composition, which is a lot of range, and then the color palettes, they I think they're all really really nice. Like, I don't think I've seen one word dislike the colors or even the composition.

Jamie:

So his actual description on the website is very short. So I'm just going to read that Meridian by Matt de sol de sol warriors, it says stratified landforms constructed from many small strokes of color, the hash of each token describes a coordinate within a multi dimensional generative space, locating a unique composition that lies along one of many possible longitudes.

Roy:

I mean, now clearly, you understand exactly what it is. Yeah,

Jamie:

I think we do lose, I think go ahead

Roy:

looking at it. And then you read the explanation. It makes more sense. But without we'll post a link to this in the show notes to these as well.

Jamie:

Yeah, it looks a lot like you're you're kind of quite high in the sky and looking at mountain ranges, and then sort of Plains between various mountains, I would say is sort of the thing that I'm seeing the most when I look at them.

Roy:

Yeah. So I think it's safe to say that the community and market love these. So they minted out at six, and the floor is currently 21 eth. And there's been a sale of I think 200 is the highest.

Jamie:

Yep. Well, there's definitely one or 200. I can't say for sure that that was the highest.

Roy:

Yeah. Oh, that's been true for two years I just checked. So yeah. Which, you know, in less than a week, since meeting out is pretty remarkable that it's fetching these prices already. So

Jamie:

I think only the eternal pump for playground projects has ever had prices that bird.

Roy:

I think you're right.

Jamie:

I mean, only one that even ecute ECube INNOPOLIS, which was huge. Maybe the biggest one and there is like 50 or something.

Roy:

I'm loading it right now. Exactly. 50. Yeah.

Jamie:

Wow. Yeah. So this is this is sort of a new level of success in terms of, of how the market views a playground drop. Yeah,

Roy:

I would agree. I think I mean, a lot of people are jokingly saying that it's the next fidenza And

Jamie:

I think some are not jokingly saying but there is also a lot of tongue in cheek saying it because of sort of how popular and common of a refrain that is be Ebor into a new project.

Roy:

Yeah. But yeah, fantastic drop. And,

Jamie:

you know, I and I missed it. I I, I was again, hoping for it to just get a bit lower. And it didn't it didn't get I think I had like 4.3 eth in my wallet at the time. So it just, it wasn't even a possibility with with how I was prepared for the crop.

Roy:

Yeah, well, I sort of asked me what they thought it was what I thought it would get to, and I was like, I don't really know. But if I had to guess between two and for at least two and 5/8 Maybe. Yeah, yeah.

Jamie:

I think in retrospect it it does feel to me like sub scapes is too popular and successful of a drop to not have seen something like this coming.

Roy:

Yeah, I mean if Tyler Hobbs releases the playground, right, it's gonna go for a lot. Yeah.

Jamie:

I mean after ringers and fidenza is I think that sub scapes is sort of considered the next best of the curator projects.

Roy:

I think so sub scapes an archetype so like the next

Jamie:

kind of neck and neck yeah this is you know, it's a bummer to I do quite like this project but the ones that I like enough to consider spending basically what the floor prices are ones that are extremely not floor pieces so I'm I'm basically priced out of this project if I wanted to get a piece that I liked enough to pay up what you have to pay just to get a four priced one.

Roy:

Yeah. Your you got to hope for the market to tank.

Jamie:

Yeah, before I could get one of these,

Roy:

which it did fall fragments of an infinite field.

Jamie:

Yeah. Did you see the one that somebody was they made like a tweet thread about Grail art blocks pieces and like sort of intentional Grails and accidental Grails. I thought that was an interesting thread. And I thought the specific meridian that they were talking about, it was fucking beautiful.

Roy:

Yes. I think that was donde donde collects. And, yeah, it was a great thrill.

Jamie:

We'll link in the show notes to the Tweet, tweet thread.

Roy:

Yeah, it was sort of like a starry night. Like, it was like a mountaintop with stars above and,

Jamie:

yeah, we and it was like, go ahead.

Roy:

No, I was gonna say he did. So there's this fund, like this very wealthy whale in our blocks. Vincent vendo, who we spoke about before started this NFT fund funded with 100 million, I think, and it's called Starry Night. So you can just see them buying this for like five $10 million in a couple of years or something even, you know,

Jamie:

in theory, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it was sort of interesting how in the tweet thread there, they were talking about. With a lot of these generative art projects, you will have maybe like a very rare trait that is intentionally rare. And then when it comes up in the project, it's sort of designed to be a extra special and awesome looking piece. And so people might sort of label it as a grail. And you can think about sort of micro uniform for danzas, or spiral. fidenza is as like an example of that. But then he's also talking about these sort of accidental Grails where just sort of the randomness of all the different traits, comes together to make something that the artist never sort of intended to happen. And then I think the existing example, would have been like the goose ringer, but then he's also showing this meridian that is showing, you know, looks to a human who grew up on Earth as, as this thing that you've seen before, whereas the project is pretty distinctly trying to represent something else. Yeah. And and not ever show you the sky. But you can very clearly see when you look at this, this reminds me of the sky. Yeah, it's it's it's a really amazing piece. Yeah, I want to right click Save it for sure.

Roy:

Yeah, it's a great set. Great piece. And I love them. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yep. And congrats, I guess to to map the artist and to people who got them.

Roy:

Yeah, I'm into it. True. I, I wasn't even gonna like I was prepared to pay I was expecting to pay maybe four or five eth. And then when I was selling out at six, I was like, Alright, I want one. And then I saw the one I got. And I was like, I was looking at my my stats of all the playground drops that had come before. And when you look at the ones that have a mid size of 1000, and the floor prices on them, like none of them are like one and a half feet or something. So I was like, it's probably not as smart and just having seen what happened with sculptures as well with a tech they sold that high and tanked. I was like, well not tank but dropped. I was like this is probably not a smart financial decision to meet another one at 6/8. But I just I did it and it, thankfully is worked out. Well.

Jamie:

I actually haven't looked at what ones you have. I'd be curious to look at them later.

Roy:

I will send you them. Yeah, just

Jamie:

so another thing I'll add is that it seems pretty quickly that the market decided that the charcoal is a palette or style or something

Roy:

I think it's style. Yeah, the

Jamie:

charcoal style is is a very Grail ish style. And I would tend to agree those ones do look quite great to me.

Roy:

Yeah, there's only eight of them. Sorry. Nyla. Awesome. Yeah. Yeah, so one of the two, that's all for 208th was a charcoal.

Jamie:

And what was the other one?

Roy:

So look it looks very different. It's like, A,

Jamie:

it's one of those sort of glitchy ones where there's like a lot of sort of rectangles that are offset or whatever.

Roy:

No, it's It's a so it's very styles called prime. And it just, it looks very much one term one color. And there's not too much differentiating it almost. Yeah, it's hard to describe it will link it in the description. But isn't eight in this style? So it's more rare than the tropicals. But I guess, I mean, there's only 30 for sale now. 300 333 and 420/8. So it's, and the three that have sold have sold for 50 145 and 200. So yeah, market loves him.

Jamie:

I'm gonna I'm gonna pull it up and look at it, because I'm too curious. Yeah,

Roy:

I'll talk about a couple of other drops that have happened this week. Well, so we've had I think, three or four factory drops. And it's, it's gotten to the point now, where drops aren't just instantly selling out, because they're an applic stroke. And because people have tried to meet anything that comes up and flip on secondary and have realized, hang on, maybe there isn't as big of a demand for 1000 meant factory projects, as we may have thought there was. And so they might admit something for point two 5.5 and just end up losing 50% of the money, if they if they if they sell or in value if it drops. So now we have like three or four factory projects that are open at once, which is kind of what it was like in the olden days of app blocks, the olden days, like four months ago. But where you could just go to the website, have a look through a variety of projects, decide what you want to mint, casually, and mint one or two or 10. And it was just a much more fun, enjoyable, relaxed experience. And I see that we are likely to go back towards that point, I think for a little while, which I'm really happy about at least.

Jamie:

I mean, we're we're we're there right now, right where they would like two or three open projects right now.

Roy:

I mean, I'm talking about like having 15 open at once. Right? Yeah, there

Jamie:

was a ton for a long time.

Roy:

Yeah. Um, but the swimming project. Maven all did this the clouds.

Jamie:

Yeah, they look, they look great to me. I have not minted one. But I will be minting one soon. For sure. Yeah, this and this is one of the open projects right now.

Roy:

Yes, there's currently 302 minutes and out of 1000. So it could just stay open for a while. Which Yep. Yeah. And, you know, they're gonna keep releasing new projects, as they have in the past and they may not meant to out and that's great. I mean, let people mint them if and when they want to.

Jamie:

Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna be nice to do that again. Yeah,

Roy:

for sure. One project, which did drop a factory project a couple of days ago, maybe yesterday and mint out as lead as to my future self, which I'm kind of bummed about not minting because I thought they were cool. And they look nice. And I was just sort of distracted and sort of already in the mindset of, oh, there's been a few factory jobs that haven't sold out. These aren't going to sell out. And no, they did and they I mean, they sold at a point one five and they've been going for like point seven or something on secondary. I think the floor is now so very successful project.

Jamie:

Yeah. I have only barely looked at that project.

Roy:

Yeah, I liked them a lot. I am, you know, medium level bummed about not meeting but whatever it is

Jamie:

what it seems very affordable for you to grab on on the secondary. Yeah,

Roy:

no, I'm sort of now. I'm just waiting and hoping that the prices come down a bit before just for my win. And even if they don't come down, it's sort of likely in my mind to be a situation where the price of everything on top looks goes up and then I weren't catching much. There was a 20/108 Rena sale this morning, which is

Jamie:

that is the new record for our blocks. That's just under 7 million US dollars at the time of the sale, I

Roy:

should say. Um, yep,

Jamie:

it is very complicated ring. There's a lot going on in that piece.

Roy:

I think it's just over seven $7 million.

Jamie:

I what I thought when I calculated today was 6.9 something but yeah, I just I just put in 3300 for the eth price. It might have been 33 40 or whatever, which put it over the top. I wasn't actually.

Roy:

Yeah. Anyway, it is a ludicrous amount of money around $7 million. Yeah, the previous high say it was 1800 eth.

Jamie:

That sounds right for the tulip. And we don't know who the buyer is.

Roy:

No, it's this anonymous account that's been buying up a lot of just top tier, high end up blocks pieces. And they've been curating this fantastic collection of ringers. I think fidenza has a few other, you know, return from the playground. And, yeah, I mean, there's sort of a rumor going around that it's Steve Coleman from, you know, billionaire art collector, who, if it is him, does

Jamie:

the New York Mets I believe as well. That's a baseball team.

Roy:

Okay. My lack of sports knowledge is shining through. But yeah, I mean, if it is him, that's enormous. Because not only is this a very real wealthy individual buying up blocks, which is great for our blocks. It is someone who is I wouldn't say respected in the art industry looked up to his just collected tons of fantastic art and put together a collection and if he is,

Jamie:

so where's the Do you know, where the rumors coming from that it's him or?

Roy:

Yes, so I believe. So maybe like a month or two ago, Dimitri, trainee Act, the artist behind ring is an eternal pump. He tweeted something like you haven't seen anything yet. Wait till the wealthy people get back from the Hampton Hamptons or something they holiday. And people would just didn't it was sort of cryptic, no one really looked into it. And then this account started buying things up. And he was he's hinted something on Twitter about how he knows who it is, or like, wait till we find out who it is. Someone commented. Is it Steve Cohen? And then like, very quickly, he deleted his tweet. And Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. I think that's where the rumor.

Jamie:

I'm looking at this person's collection right now. Actually, just their curated stuff. It is fucking insane.

Roy:

So tell us what do you see? Oh,

Jamie:

my, um, tons of sub scapes. Tons of super high end squiggles. A ton of ringers, lots of high end. For danzas high end singularities. I'm still scrolling. Now there's more finanzas a lot of big centuries. A very good amount of fragments of the infinite field as well. Oh, wow.

Roy:

117 op looks curated pieces

Jamie:

of type cube. A well. Fuck, yeah. Or collection.

Roy:

Yep. It does look like a billionaires collection.

Jamie:

That says Yeah. Oh, so he he's the one that bought that. 945 F squiggle, the hypervolt. Oh, the other day.

Roy:

So he's got the most expensive ring and the most expensive squiggle. Yeah, so 950 s fidenza. That he bought

Jamie:

1234560 my god,

Roy:

I'm looking at lazes. Yeah.

Jamie:

Yeah. Like at least 20 Nice fucking ringers is ludicrous. Yeah. So we'll link to this. And also appreciate it. Yeah. Holy cow.

Roy:

Yeah. So we have this whale that's entered the app looks ecosystem over the last couple of weeks. And we have a new one in the form of Starry Night capital, the NFT fund that has been started by FinCEN vendo. And I think three hours capital and they raised money from other investors. I was sort of contemplating going in on it with them, but I needed to be like an accredited investor and do paperwork stuff. And I was like, not about figuring that. So yeah, but it I mean, they said that they raised 100 million and they've started buying some blocks. So it could be the start of something amazing for the Xbox market but I'm trying

Jamie:

I'm trying to go back on this theoretically Steve Cohen account and see when the first purchase was to see just how new they are. Actually, I don't even need to on open see here right at the top it says joined August 2021. So yeah, there you go. They are quite new to the scene. Yeah. They bought an auto glyph from snow fro two days ago, huh? Oh, wow. I'm looking at the provenance of this auto glyph Yeah, two years ago pranks he minted it and sold look for one. Yeah. That was one of the ones in his tweet, right? Was

Roy:

it meant to like 28 glyphs and has none?

Jamie:

Oh my god. Yeah. What a successful NFT collector that should be so much more successful. With what homeruns they kept minting oh my god in.

Roy:

Theoretically he could be the like, wealthiest person. Yeah, they just didn't

Jamie:

sell anything. He'd be the richest person in the world.

Roy:

That's ludicrous.

Jamie:

Yeah. I mean, I guess again, they probably wouldn't have been able to mint the later stuff if you hadn't sold any of the earlier stuff. But holy cow. Yeah. Where are we in the artblock segment? We just got sidetracked. Like ogling This. This. Ian's wallet? Yeah. We're talking about the 2100 Deathbringer sale, I guess. And then we kind of got into the Starry Night fund.

Roy:

Yeah. Oh, they just bought something from you, right.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. So Vincent van dough. We talked about this. Let's see. The episode after the Barcelona episode we talked about the sea hams, aka the sale of bots. And we talked about how Vincent van Gogh sort of made it a tradition where after he would buy a big art box piece like a nice fidenza or whatever, for a ton of money. He would buy a celebratory sailor bought. And today, I guess he bought a very nice fidenza And then followed it up with some sea hams. And I just today dropped the price from my one sale about that I minted and had never sold from 10 ether down to 6.9 ether. And then I just I went out for dinner and came back and my sea Ham was gone. And it went to this starry night capital.

Roy:

Yeah, I mean of all the people that you want to sell an NFT to it's I mean, it is something

Jamie:

fun about it. But it also seems like wow, they're definitely making the correct trade. And I am not

Roy:

Yeah, they're buying it because they expect to get value out of it sometime down the line. Yeah, I'm looking at their wallet. Now. They bought a fidenza That was the big sale that they followed up with some sea ham purchases

Jamie:

from deep debark man, I believe was the owner of it, right? Correct.

Roy:

Yes. So a few hours ago D Bachman is a mod in the uploads discord. He is all around good guy always helping out people always there.

Jamie:

So it's funny actually, um, maybe a week ago, he knows that I like stipple sunsets a lot. And I had actually approached him maybe a month ago or something about one of his in particular that I wanted to get from him. So I you know, I offered him like a little bit of East plus another simple sunset for it, and we couldn't make a deal. But then like a week and a half ago, he's like, Hey, I need some liquidity like, can you do? Are you still interested in this? And I ended up buying it from him for 1.8. And it's like, you know, I'm happy to get it. He was probably happy to sell it. But boy, he was so close. So much liquidity.

Roy:

Yeah, he the way I heard of it going down is he just woke up this morning. And he had an email from open see saying you have a $2.4 million USDC offer on your fidenza. And yet he was like he had to count the zeros to make sure it was true. Yeah, it turned out it was Starry Night capital that offered it and then he had discussions with them via bonafide Enzo who is bonafide Han who is a fantastic collector of cadenzas and who has facilitated many deals and trades between people buying and selling fences. And yes, I think they came to some private arrangement. And I believe it did sell for around 2.4 million US dollars, which, you know, even if that is a great purchase in the long run for stone capital, that is life changing money right there for you.

Jamie:

For sure. That's great. Yeah. So congratulate a lot of stuff for $2.4 million. Oh,

Roy:

yeah. I think he said he's gonna buy his dream house later this year.

Jamie:

That's awesome. It is, you know, and now was this one that he admitted and, and held or was it something that he had collected? Do you know the answer to that?

Roy:

Ah, I do know the answer. I believe there's sort of like he very, barely didn't get this one. So he went to the fidenza. And I think it was a micro or something. And he really loves the black and white scenes. And on like, all our blogs, collections, he's just known for loving and

Jamie:

caring. He's got a great black and white gallery that I think we'll link to as well.

Roy:

Yep. And so we're gonna link to a lot of things you'll do on the show notes. So that's that's

Jamie:

a no Well, I mean, I went to a ton in the last one. Yeah. Okay. So I just pulled it up. It was it ended up going for 3 million

Roy:

or 3 million. Okay. Yeah. Well, it's even better for him. Yes. So he, he minted a fidenza. And then he saw this one that he wanted to buy, he didn't have the liquidity to buy this. So he listed his micro for sale, I think like 1.2. And it's sold, either just before No, hang on. I actually I don't remember the full story. But basically, he said that when he bought this, he barely had enough eth plus gas to pay to buy it. And like he couldn't speed up his transaction. And he really wanted it. And obviously, people

Jamie:

cost was point six, five when he bought point

Roy:

six, five. Yeah. And yeah, I mean, from point six, five, say that's $2,000 to 3 million. Pretty, pretty nice return. That's a great deal. You know, in four months, you know,

Jamie:

starting capital, wow, that they're very early in the game. If they've raised $100 million, right there, they've spent, like 10 of it.

Roy:

Yeah, I think people were going through their wallet and saying that's about how much they've spent so they got 90 million left. And yeah, they can get a lot of great pieces for that amount of money.

Jamie:

They bought a couple of those like almost ringer one of ones from Dimitri called a slight lack of symmetry can cause so much something that so much pain off here. Yeah, it looks like a window from John almost this tub tub for two looks very much like a John's piece to me. Oh, it does. Yeah. It is also by him. Yeah. 170/8 Wow. As well as a rare Pepe card and for sale box. And then this fidenza that

Roy:

we talked about. Fantastic.

Jamie:

Antenna phase.

Roy:

Yeah. I'm hoping phases go back up. I really liked them. But also

Jamie:

I have none. Oh, wow. Did you have any? I gotta know. Okay. I mean, remember where I was when they were mentoring? Yeah. Anyway, I don't know what happened there. Um, but after the sale bought sale that I just made to starting our fund, I definitely feel like I've got some extra eth. To put to work. Yeah, I'm going to be shopping tomorrow for sure.

Roy:

What's on your shopping list? If anything?

Jamie:

Not really sure I've, I've been buying a lot more chicken derbies chickens lately, and I think I think my chicken Derby bag is officially packed. And I have not really gotten much, or almost any I think art blocks stuff. Since I'm buying the fragment to replace my other fragments, I'm probably going to just look at a lot of art blocks projects as my starting point. And we kind of all at this point know, the usual suspects for me in art blocks. But I you know, I also do now have enough app with the leftover from the first fragment plus this that I can again, maybe maybe look at some archetypes or sub scapes as well. Archetypes. Also do like some of the meridians. But as we were talking about earlier, I seem to mostly only like the higher end ones, but haven't really looked at like, you know, the bottom 54 pieces or whatever. I've just been looking at the lowest few, so maybe I could actually find one that's like three eth above Florida that I really love or something. But I haven't looked that extensively at the project overall. To know. But yeah, right now I'm feeling like I would like some more flex. You know, I also have been super, I guess we're still in artbox segment. So I shouldn't even necessarily get into this. But I'm, I'm really respecting cool cats a lot more and thinking a little bit about getting a second one. But we should we should get off our block segment. Maybe before we get too far off topic.

Roy:

All right, that I think that was it for our blocks, right? Yeah,

Jamie:

that was everything on our list. All right. Our Twitter. Our first question comes from nifty collector one, they said, if you had 10k to throw in any one or two NFT projects that you need to hold for three to five years, purely from an investment point of view, what would it be?

Roy:

Alright, so let's just call that three eth 10k basically is three Yeah.

Jamie:

And now when are they saying to throw that at one or two projects meaning you have 10k total and you would have to would be split up as approximately 5k Each if it was two, I think so that's how I'm understanding. Okay, so yeah, we have 10,000 total. And we only want to put it into a maximum of two projects is the question. Yeah. And we want to hold it for three to five years. And he's saying purely from an investment point of view, even though we've well established that nothing that we say on this podcast is investment advice,

Roy:

not financial advice. But so if I was answering trends, the question if I had three eth, to put at, to invest and think it will grow into something significant in three to five years, I would look at projects first and foremost, that I think is still gonna be here in three to five years, like that's a long time in crypto, right? NFT's a lot of the projects that you see today are just not going to be around them. And unfortunately, a lot of the ones that are going to be are more likely to be around then you're not going to get in for 3/8 like your punks, you apes, you're even cool cats now. Honestly, I think Zed horses is still a really good bet, just because of the fact that they have been around for a few years. And yeah, they're sort of so well ingrained that it's hot. And the prices I think are in a pretty good spot right now, I think you can get a Genesis horse for maybe point 2/8 or something, maybe point three, which is pretty reasonable, you could get a bunch of Genesis horses, and I think they'll do very well to hold their value long term. And if Zed is still here in five years, like they'll only ever be 38,000 Genesis horses, and there'll be 10s of millions of horses in the ecosystem. So they'll, they'll just have to just go up in value somehow. Supply. Yeah,

Jamie:

it's interesting, because that's a project where it feels like the, the developers and the community have like a back and forth push and pull situation that can kind of massively change the value of individual horses or various groups of horses. So like, for instance, one thing I've been hearing from the community lately is that they just feel that the breeding algorithm is a little bit too random. So if you have a great horse versus a not great horse, and they breed, I think the community is indicating that they think the bad horses offspring is, on average to good relative to the average great horses thing. And so I just think it's that that seems a little unpredictable in terms of like just buying a Genesis horse, because its genesis, I could envision a world where the the community sort of forces developers to go, Hey, if you have a Genesis horse, who has been proven to not be a good racer, we don't want that to be breeding valuable horses or something. And so that far down the line, it could, it could sort of end up being sort of gluey. But I mean, three to five years in the NFT, space is insane. They have not existed. And if T's that is about three to five years, so so to me, we're not ever really going to be able to say something that's a slam dunk. But But I do think that, in general is a pretty good guess. Or pick, the first thing that came out to me was born a kennel club, the floor on them is right, right around there at three ether and with how popular the board a yacht club is, and the execution of the team and the way they're sort of expanding it. And the fact that the dogs are more scarce than everything else. That to me seems like it would be it would be high up on my list of things in that price range if I needed just buy something and hold it forever. Yeah, that's

Roy:

a really good pick.

Jamie:

I guess three to five years is not forever, but it's based in this space. It sure feels like it right.

Roy:

Yeah, I think in terms of Ain survivability and ensuring that your investment is going to be around and probably do well. I think a foot in the boardroom of your club ecosystem is a fantastic pic

Jamie:

Yeah, let's I also want to look at the curated floor and see what can you get for three you can get a dreams right now for three Wow. Or like an apparitions. Those both seem like they might be quite nice.

Roy:

Yeah, for sure. I think Apple curated is definitely a nice spot to

Jamie:

Yeah, that's right. So basically for three eth right now, you could get 1-234-567-8910 1112 The 12 cheapest curated projects are all either below three eth or just barely above it to where if you bid three on enough you definitely land one So basically, any one of those that you think is attractive would also be in, in our eyes, probably a pretty reasonable thing to, to hold for that long.

Roy:

Yeah. Another thing to consider, I think, when you're looking at sort of a three to five year time horizon is that you don't necessarily just buying the NFT, you're potentially going to get some sort of, like, if the company behind the the like the platform will project behind the NFT decides to like if they keep growing, and they decide to, like, come out with a token, or reward, and reward early adopters, then, it could potentially be extremely lucrative, like, I know that there's talk and rumors and potentially they've confirmed that there'll be a token for the Zed ecosystem called Dez. And all Genesis holders will get AirDrop that at some point in the future, that potentially be very lucrative. I remember the paper brother, back in the day, they even had a channel in the discord dedicated to a and I think, even like a white paper on it. And they were like, well, we need to change a bunch of stuff. We're going to get rid of this, but we'll come back. And I haven't really checked in on that. Like, I

Jamie:

remember thinking that it would be smart of them to have basically burn option for horses to get rid of a lot of these blue horses, and you could basically just kind of get race tickets by by kind of burning. Yeah, very low end horses, it would be an interesting way to deal with the supply issue that that some people may perceive there is and also to sort of reward people who have horses that are just not capable of of doing anything but losing money by racing. Yeah, that's

Roy:

actually a really cool suggestion. I think a lot I

Jamie:

guess they the, the solution, so to speak, that they came up with was to have kind of those lower tier races. Yes. Tears, maybe not the right word, because they have actual tears, right? Or classes. Yeah. But anyway, the races where you had to either have a 0% win rate on the horse or like below 10%. Yeah. Those still don't exist yet. But it was something that they talked about, maybe two months back or something.

Roy:

Yeah. I mean, that's cool. I mean, they're both cool ideas of sort of giving hope or like something to people who have not very good horses, just to give them a chance to win or to get value out of their horses. Yeah,

Jamie:

I want to just spend another 30 seconds, maybe trying to ponder some other possibilities around three eth or

Roy:

less? Well, there are a lot of I think, good options of sort of projects that have launched in the last one to three months, which they don't have that history. So they're more risky, and they may not be around three to five years. But things like the Roboto is that's that's a project that is getting a lot more attention lately, it's gonna flow over on 1/8 has the potential I think, to be around in three to five years, could be more of a higher risk, high reward type situation world of women is another one. I think within that range, pudgy penguins light, like there's a bunch, but you could pick one of those

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah, meanwhile, is forgotten runes, there's like, there's a lot of stuff that's sort of in that point, five to three range that definitely has a lot of potential. And, you know, I guess they're saying, one to two projects, but, you know, if you pick if you pick two of those, and got maybe like three pieces for point five from one project, and then, you know, to two pieces at point seven, five from some slightly more expensive project, you might have pretty good chances there. But theoretically, a bit riskier than the projects that we feel are more established. Yeah, I think so. I guess you could maybe get a blip? Not possibly, I think those are maybe more around for at this point.

Roy:

Yeah. That's would be a good option, too. I think.

Jamie:

Um, you could get a fuck crystal. Those are just about three right now as well, I think.

Roy:

Yeah, I listed one earlier for like 2.7 or something. The other.

Jamie:

The other thing I want to say is their way there's talking about three to five years, I'm almost imagining a totally hands off approach. Whereas just a lot of this stuff, we're finding that a lot of value is coming from air drops and stuff that you may have to specifically opt in for. So you just have to kind of keep in mind that even if you don't want to sell something at all, for sure, for three to five years, you might have to interact with the NFT just a little bit to get the value out of them. Yeah, that's that's very true, actually, like the Bitmaps for instance. Obviously those are out of the price range, but there's a vote going on right now in the bitmap community for when should the deadline be for bulletin Are minting and it looks like the end of October is going to win that. So for instance, if you had bought something like a blip map that you intended to hold for three to five years, but you also ignored it for all that time, you would miss out on the blit. Not minting, which is a not insignificant part of the value. Same thing again with like the ape in the board Kennel Club, if you just missed out on that, because you're just going well, I'm only holding it for five years. So I just put it in this paper wallet and forgot about it. Like, you know, to properly get value out of a lot of these NFT products. You have to be slightly active occasionally.

Roy:

Yes, that's definitely true. I myself have missed value on some projects, just because I've I'm just not on top of all the discord announcements, and I'm not claiming all the things that I should be claiming.

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah. Are you how many discords Are you in? It must be insane.

Roy:

I am in the maximum amount that you can be in. So you get to 150? Is it right? I think it's yeah, it's 150 or 200. You get to 100. And then they like you can't draw and mall unless you leave one or you can buy Nitro, which is like the premium version. And then I bought that. And then like a month later, it's like you can't join more. And there's no option to buy another even with nitro

Jamie:

with your cut off. Yeah, I think I've only in like maybe 35 or whatever. And I still find it to be a lot. Yeah, I'm trying to imagine 150 Yeah. Alright, that seems like a pretty thorough answer for nifty collector one though. Yes, definitely.

Roy:

So K boo.eth says, Where do you think Roboto is are going in the industry?

Jamie:

I'll start here and go. I barely know about their bottos project. I've seen some people talk about him on Twitter. I saw that the guy IP collector who broke the record for the biggest ape sale recently bought some as well, I guess I think I saw that specifically. Because people responded to my tweet about the ape who happened to own water bottles were quick to point out that this guy was also buying them. But yeah, it's not a project. I know much about what what do you think?

Roy:

I, I'm pretty bullish on them. I I own three, I bought them around point, one 5.2. And they're currently sitting on a floor of 1/8. So there's sort of like these animated robots design created by the artist Pablo Stanley, who has been around for a long time in generative art and just in the art world. And so he's got a bit of history. And he's very active within the community. So he interacts with people. He's very passionate about the project and about, you know, creating value for people and making sure that there's going to be successful. And I think that that's a huge, huge plus. I always say that, to me, the most important thing in a project is the team, or the person behind the project or people. And I think that they have a great team. And from that the community has become really strong. And I think that it's one of those ones in the that has been in like the point five to 1.5 eth range for a while and it's probably

Jamie:

when did when did they met two months ago? Maybe? Three? They're pretty, pretty old, relatively speaking, relatively speaking.

Roy:

Yeah. Let's see they minted two months ago. So yeah, so they've been around for a little while. They they didn't take off immediately. They hovered around point 1.2 for ages, and then sort of in the most recent uptick they took off and yeah, I really think that they're going to be here to stay. And I'm, we were talking just before we went on air about this project, and I was saying I want to pick them up. And I think you want to look into them as well.

Jamie:

Yeah. Well, I was we were talking about my sailboat sail and just talking about the various things that I'm may or may not look into. And I think I think that came up for an auction. Yeah. Um, but I've looked at them very little. And it's, it's not near the top of my list, but it's it's getting on my radar now.

Roy:

All right. Next question.

Jamie:

Rayo said, I'd like to know your thoughts on Selena and FTS, it seems like things are mostly focused on FFTs. From what I've heard, either way, really enjoying learning. And then I just wanted to, we had another tweet question from mom spaghetti said What are your thoughts on hen? It seems like there are some really high quality artists but not as many profile pic projects. Do you guys invest in tasers and fts? Do you think they could see an exponential growth in value similar to FFTs after the June 2021 timeframe, so I thought those were related enough that we kind of bundle them and talk about that. Yeah, I think

Roy:

so. I, I have some hen or tasers entities and have some salon entities, but they're primarily from three to six months ago, when there weren't as many entities on The theorem network and I had more time and I was exploring other options. And they seemed cool to me. And interesting enough to spend some time and money investing into. I haven't really looked into them a lot lately, but they've certainly been getting tons more attention, I think, in part due to like the gas wolves for Aetherium drops and the fact that people are getting priced out and just if you have a low bankroll, you just can't interact on the Ethereum network.

Jamie:

Network. We've talked about that'll kind of a lot at this point. Yeah. And I think if you have not a lot to work with, it's it's tough. Being strictly on?

Roy:

Yes, absolutely. And I think that with the sort of, I guess, with time and with Selena and tasers just becoming more, just better, blockchains. They've advanced, they've been around for longer, and they've been improving more people and more projects are launching on them. And, yes, there's certainly success to be found there. And you can have really good gains of the people can 10 100x some of the NFT's. And yeah, I think that they're good options, and they're worth looking into.

Jamie:

Yeah, I'm kind of, you know, what I'm noticing is we're getting so many airdrops on Matic why don't why aren't we seeing more people trying to launch projects just straight up on Matic rather than going all the way to Solana and and tezos for projects? Do you have any ideas about that? I don't have a really like we don't go to see Manny right? Yeah, I yeah, I don't know. But the way that it's directly connected, connected to S makes it seem like, you know, as far as attracting the main net FFT buyers and collectors, and just having that direct funnel to all that Ethereum money seems like a smart thing. And I, I don't really see it much. But I think there's, there's a small subset of NFT collectors that are just basically never going to be interested in shopping on anything but Aetherium. But I think that they are in the minority. And so if you're talking about projects that aren't based on the historical value, it almost seems like there will have to be some some really compelling and interesting projects. On these other trends. I guess what I would say right now is it seems like the ecosystem there is very poorly developed in terms of the marketplaces. And for the you know, as much as we've shed on open sea on this podcast, there's nothing even close to comparable on Solano or tezos Right now, in terms of being able to really see what's available in a in a easily presentable way. And so that is making it tougher to just, you know, find what's out there.

Roy:

Yeah, that's absolutely correct. So like the marketplace on tasers hen and the marketplace, once Elana digitalise. I've used them both. And they're both terrible. Like,

Jamie:

I've only I've only looked at 10. I've never even looked at the salon one, but it was like, it looked more like I was looking at somebody like Tumblr or whatever it was, yeah. Okay, here's a piece of art. Here's a piece of art, like, are they related? Is there any way for me to search? What's what is the price? Yes. Anybody bought this? am I buying this from the artist or from a collector? Like, it's very difficult to navigate? Yeah.

Roy:

And yeah, so that's the problem, I think. So today, there was a big drop on immutable x, which is, I think, a layer two on top of the Ethereum blockchain. And it went very successfully, and a lot of people being happy and talking that up. So maybe, maybe there's some sort of like technical reason why projects are dropping on Matic. And like, there must be some reason because it would have made tremendous sense for them to do it before now. And there have been some projects that have dropped in the Zed Chicken Run, etc. But yeah, these profile picture projects seem to not want to do that. But yes, so on immutable x, there was a I can't remember the name of the drop, but some bird or owl or CRO or

Unknown:

some sort of submissive bird.

Roy:

I mean, just another animal project. Yeah. No, I mean, a lot of people have been talking about it. I think it means it a point oh, five, and they got up like point five maybe it's higher than that now. People were really loving the the experience. I said it was a great minting experience. Gas fees are effectively none. And it was fast and smooth. And, you know, we're probably going to see a lot more of that tick tock has announced their partnership with immutable X or that they're launching on there or something. And yeah, I think We'll see more and more NFT's be launched not on the main net of a theorem, but on the side chains or layer twos or whatever.

Jamie:

Yeah, or just other blockchains. But I also think we're gonna just see more and more interoperability of this stuff. So like, theoretically, open see having Solana or tezos, NFT's or, you know, interesting ways where stuff from one blockchain is getting wrapped and bridged over to other blockchains, and stuff like that. So I think, I think maybe in the end, kind of everything will end up on Aetherium. Yeah, is is a possibility in my mind, and it will just be somewhat abstracted. If it originally launched on another blockchain.

Roy:

Yeah, I can see that happening. We're definitely gonna live in a multi chain world where there's just seamless bridges or interoperability between between Yeah,

Jamie:

and I guess, all the bridges will maybe involve a little bit of trust, but they'll be able to build it up pretty quickly and be very incentivized not to break that trust. Yes, I think so. Because they can just charge a little bit of toll on on the transaction. And it'll never be enough going across that anyone time that it's better to just kind of try and steal it, rather than just collect the toll for all of eternity.

Roy:

Yeah. All right.

Jamie:

All right. The next question, when you were flipping some of the lower tier projects, what was your general thesis or framework that you used?

Roy:

Hmm. So this is by Kevin s. Perrito. For me, when I'm flipping lower tier projects are like new projects that I meant, and then I wouldn't say that I had a general thesis or a framework, I never went into it with that sort of perspective. I would. I mean, I guess one rule is more than one, like we've spoken about this before, if you can mint two or even three. And if you get to a point where your bankroll is a bit bigger, just so you believe a little bit in the project more that way, if and when the price goes up, you can sell some to cover your costs and make a little bit of profit and then hold some for like that moonshot potential. And I think that is probably as close to a general thesis or framework that I've gotten where I would mince and say, 10 of a project. Wait to see what's happening on secondary. If prices are running up? I'll sell a few. You know, if it's two XL, so what if a 3x is also another Forex? It's another? And then if then I'll hold a few and the news keeps going up? Yeah, I'll just slowly sell every time it goes up a significant amount. I don't really have any firm numbers or framework. It's a lot of like, just gut feeling for me, how about you?

Jamie:

Right? I have a giant smile on my face, because I feel like this question is such a Rorschach test. Because to me, I'm reading it and thinking they want to know, what is my framework to decide whether or not I'm minting, and you just answered as if, of course, I minted? What was my framework for the project? And I interpreted it completely differently. Yeah. And was thinking they're going when you're looking at products, which ones are you deciding to men? I remember when I was when I was more looking at that sort of thing. I was I was looking at the discord a lot. And looking at the numbers of the discord and the behavior of the people and the devs. And and all that stuff in the discord was pretty important to me kind of get get a feel for the community in the team. But, you know, it depends on what type of project it is. But a lot of times I'm looking for something new. Are they trying to do something that has already been done before? And they're just trying to make money by doing another version of it with a different animal? Or are they trying something new? And if it's something new, that's a huge leg up in my book, because, you know, at least at least they're trying and they have an original idea. I really, you know, I respect that a lot. So I'm looking for, you know, a project that has enough people interested, and a dev team that seems to be a part of the like, here's a little instance, I saw a Twitter conversation earlier today where some head of a project was tweeting about getting verified with open sea and by the way, this happened today or maybe yesterday, and one of the one one of the people that they tagged in tweet was Chest stain. And then somebody immediately responded being like, you have to be out of touch in the NFT space. And this has to be a cash grab, if you are out of touch enough that you're still tagging nature stain when you're trying to get your project verified. And I pretty much agree with that responder. So, you know, I'm looking for people who don't sound like that in the discord running things when I when I'm looking for a project to

Roy:

make, yeah. Now those so I'm looking

Jamie:

for a good unique or I'm looking for a interesting, unique project in general that's just trying to do something new. And I'm looking for sort of the right vibes amongst the team and community.

Roy:

Yep. Well, that's true, different answers or different ways of looking at your question. Yeah. That's funny. All right, mockery, Hannah says, Love the podcast, keep up the great work, what NFT do you think will be the first to really break into popular culture? How do they do it? And what do you think that would mean for the original NFT holders? What do you think?

Jamie:

Um, you know, we talked about Top Shot earlier. And I've watched a lot of NBA basketball, and they have spent, like, no money or time during basketball game broadcasts to advertise it or talk about it at all. And it seems like that's the thing that them or the NFL could ramp up in a huge way. And really kind of mainstream those projects. So that's something that I would consider as a possibility. But I can't really say confidently that I'm, you know, I guess it would have to be good for the original NFT holders. But I also feel like such a huge portion of the people that got exposed to it via the broadcast would be super dismissive. Or if not dismissive and open to it. I'm shocked at how expensive the good stuff already is. Yeah. And, you know, I would think it would only have to be good, but not not crazily good. Another project that comes to mind is Cool Cats. They seem to me to have a you know, it's, it has broad enough appeal. Because it's not to like, you know, mature or gross or niche or whatever, that it seems like it could really proliferate as a brand in general, and occupy a space very similar to like a Hello Kitty or Pokemon in the zeitgeist. And, you know, we've talked about it before, but I just I think the team is really smart. And, you know, has those sort of correct and in tune with the situation vibes, unlike that person on Twitter that we were just talking about who was on some other project. So those are two that come to mind for me, I guess, the board APR club to really you know, that they're, they're expanding the collectors nicely by adding things like the dogs and then the mutants. And then they're expanding out into the real world with this eight fest stuff. So you know, and they're getting merch, collabs and stuff like that, I think, and any of these good projects that are growing beyond just existing in in this NFT Metaverse, but are getting their tentacles out into the real world and are doing it in a nice, slow, methodical way. I think those are the types of things that could really, really just be become a mainstream thing.

Roy:

Yeah, I think the first thing that came to mind was cool cats as well for like the existing projects. For all the reasons you said that sort of mainstream appeal, the fact that they can make a nice animated show out of it would appeal to kids, but also adults that can make toys and just all sorts of things that they can do and probably will do. But I was also thinking that I like the most popular mainstream NFT that we're going to see I think isn't going to be something that it is already an NFT we're going to see like an existing brands like Pokemon come out with NFT's. And that's just going to be enormous. And just because they already have such a massive mainstream audience and appeal if they play the cards right and do it in a smart way. Yeah, they're just going to be able to capture such a significant market that it's just going to be maybe the biggest NFT project there is and it'll come from something that doesn't exist right now.

Jamie:

Yeah, I've the way I'm reading it. It's sort of seems like they're there. Looking for something that are seen native and then and then goes into the popular culture? Yeah, rather than that's already there, you know, it sort of would I don't know what the word behoove actually means, but it seems like I could use a good sentence here properly. But something about moving to mention xe infinity because oh yeah, they're already huge and also sort of have that cool cats cuteness that can apply to everyone and are much closer to already being, you know, an equivalent to Pokemon than then cool cats, I would say. So yeah, we should probably mention them as well.

Roy:

Probably. I mean, although everyone I speak to who's actually played the game says the game is not fun. Which is a bit of a really, yeah,

Jamie:

yeah, no, Pokemon games are super fun. And I have not definitely heard people be as into xe infinity. But well, I've heard people say it's vaguely fun. It's a little maybe to Rock Paper, Scissors or something. I'm not maybe not super sure. Yeah. You're talking about Yeah, but that's, that's another thing. If you are doing it to earn the money, it could be very grind. Yes.

Roy:

As opposed to, whereas Yeah, yeah, if

Jamie:

you will, literally, literally, we're playing it for fun. And it might just be fun. Yeah, you take something like chess or whatever, if your parents are forcing you to try and be a grandmaster, it might be a slog, and a grind that you don't enjoy at all. Whereas other people are loving it. It's just a back, that could very much be a mindset thing. Even part again, like neither of us have play

Roy:

joint towards the end of our poker, I mean, for maybe a lot of our poker careers. If we were playing lots and lots of poker, it was never extremely exciting and fun to play. Yeah, a lot of the times it was like, Well, I'm gonna sit down and play because it's going to earn me money. But I would prefer to be reading or watching a movie or playing video game. And yeah, whereas there are other people out there who are at work, and they're going to play poker.

Jamie:

Yeah, yeah, to get home and play some poker. Yeah.

Roy:

So anything you do for a long enough time, especially if you do it for money, it will become a grind. I think.

Jamie:

Chloe says I have been considering liquidating some of my bitcoin to get more eth for NFT thoughts. And then in parentheses, they said, I know it depends is always the best answer, but would just like to hear you guys discussion on this topic. And then, because we copy and pasted, we have a description of what emoji they used. And then it says banks,

Roy:

smiling face with open mouth and smiling eyes.

Jamie:

Yeah, I can't picture that. smiling eyes aren't an emoji. But yeah, anyway, I guess we've talked about it before. But I think that Bitcoin was a complete game changer. But the way that it has changed the game to me is to to bring this technology to human consciousness that has been greatly expanded upon by Aetherium. And at this point, the value proposition of a cerium. And the cool, interesting stuff you can do on it, like NFT's, is so much more than Bitcoin that you know, me personally, I have a lot more money in a cerium and etherium, base NFTS, both of those categories are both much, much bigger than the amount I have in Bitcoin. So to me personally, I mean, I don't know what their ratio of of Bitcoin to NFT's to Aetherium is, and I don't know what their goals are. But I I like the value proposition in general of etherium and NFT's more than Bitcoin.

Roy:

Yeah, me too. So I literally did this, maybe two weeks ago, where I had one Bitcoin, I sold it for eth and put that into NFT's. And so a month like a month ago, I had zero Bitcoin, but I had been on vacation and been selling some NFT's because the Mark was going great. And all of a sudden had a lot of eth. And I was like, You know what, maybe I'll diversify. I'll get I'll get a Bitcoin. And I bought that. And then it sat in my binance account for a couple of weeks. And then one day, I was back from vacation, and I was like in the NFT, space, loving NFT's, seeing so many cool exciting projects, that seemed like great investment opportunities. And I was like, I don't have money. Hang on, I have a Bitcoin. Why do I have a Bitcoin? Yeah, I can just turn this Bitcoin into eth. And then I can do eth into JPEGs. I'm going to do that. And so I did that

Jamie:

I was talking about when we did the Solana and Tezos question about how there's sort of the interoperability and I can kind of see a future where, you know, there's these other chains that exist but so much ends up getting migrated or bridged over to Aetherium the the the most stuff you can do with Bitcoin these days, is to wrap it and have it on the Ethereum network. Yeah. And to me that that just that shows to me that Aetherium is ahead of Bitcoin. But

Roy:

I mean, I guess theoretically now, they've introduced the lightning tip thing on Twitter. You can do stuff with it, but yeah,

Jamie:

yeah, I guess. But you can also do that with like, you know, on Polygon slash Matic too. Yeah. I mean, I guess again, Twitter hasn't actually integrated that, but the the ability to send it for not a lot of gas and quickly or whatever is like that. There's lots of chains you can do that with you don't need Bitcoin for that.

Roy:

No. All right, path, tra Han says, what's your advice to those who have less than $1,000 to invest in NFT's. But those people are really passionate about NFT's.

Jamie:

We've talked about this before, I think, again, maybe the first time we really dug deep into it was the episode after the Barcelona one, if I'm if I'm not mistaken.

Roy:

We've definitely spoken about it a couple of times, because people

Jamie:

people definitely ask questions like this a lot. But the some of the main things we talk about is not doing it on a cerium. Or if you are on Aetherium, definitely wrap some Aetherium and make bids rather than buying stuff outright. That way the seller has to pay the gas and you don't and you get to pay below for prices, those I remember being some of our our most consistent recommendations for someone in that spot, as well as, you know, being active in discords, where you can participate in giveaways and, and possibly get some stuff for free or be a creator of NFT's yourself. And then I'll just I'll add one more thing. They're saying they have less than 1000 to invest in NFT's? You know, is is that a number that you could increase by $50 A week or something? And, you know, build that number up? Or is it just I've already done the saving, and this is what I can do. And I need to start redirecting. You know, all of my income that I get, I just I can't get any more for this. So this is the one kid that's going into NFTs and I gotta go. You know, I always want people to look at if, if they're going to be able to change the amount of money going in or out of the NFT portfolio before I feel confident answering what to do with that money in NFTs.

Roy:

Yeah, I think you answered that pretty thoroughly. All those things are the things I would recommend, I would, I guess double down on the recommendation to get active and discords. And on Twitter's I mean, there are tons of giveaways and promotions. In my Discord I am now running giveaways pretty much around the clock, like I have a list of you know, a few projects lined up to that want to give away their entities for free to people that just click a little emoji or react reaction in my Discord. Because they get some exposure by you know that there's like 7000 people on my Discord now, so they get eyes on their project, the people in the discord can get a free NFT or a whitelist spot. And it's really it's just a win win win win situation. And so it doesn't really cost you much other than time to find. I mean, there's tons of discords out there that do this. And, and tons of Twitter giveaways, which, you know, some of them aren't authentic. But I think a lot of them are a lot of people. Yeah,

Jamie:

one of those name tag NFTS on a Twitter giveaway from name tag, or the guy. And then I was able to sell that for .1 ether. So if you're talking about $1,000 to invest, I basically if I was in that situation, and also one this, I basically already turned my 1000 into 13 130 Without even spending any of the original 1000. So it's like when you have that small of an amount of money, one little giveaway success really can can expand things a lot for you. One other thing actually that happened for me on Twitter, this was maybe two and a half months ago, a fellow a pad and issue bridging money over from polygon to a theory may not or vice versa and asked if anybody was familiar with the bridge and what to do about it. And I said yeah, I've used it before like what, what what happened? What's the issue? And they were so unfamiliar with it that it wasn't super easy for me to debug what has But I basically just went back and forth with them for about an hour in their DMS going check this, check this, what's the wallet address, let me look at it on Polygon scan to see what's happening, you know, just this kind of thing for somebody that knows how to do it. And eventually, I was able to, to find out what the issue was. And they basically had something like two and a half or three Etherium, that they thought that they had lost, that I just helped them find, because, you know, I thought I could, and they were a follow up on Twitter, or whatever. And then they were very thankful, as you might expect, and said here, what's your address, let me send you one of these D gens as a thank you. And so that was something that was had a four price at the time, like point oh seven, and I think maybe now is even more. So you know, that's just another situation where being a part of the community and adding value to the community, you can get some of that value back without actually having to invest any money and, and then that gets you either an NFT, or a little bit of money to start getting NFT's. Yeah, there's, there's a lot of opportunities like that

Roy:

there are and another one that I just thought of is sort of a new trend that's been happening lately is a lot of projects, they will release their NFT for free. So they'll say that. Okay, so the first one per wallet, you can mint for free, you just pay gas, if you want to buy if you want more, you have to pay, but it's sort of their way to get the NFT's out there to a lot of people. And yes, sometimes they're not very valuable, they don't take off, and you waste the gas money. So it's a bit of a small bit of a risk and a concern. But like that there's that risk, even if you're renting something for point three, or point or five as well, this just sort of has a cheaper entry option. And some of those things go on to be worth point one, point 2.3 eth, even more, and there are opportunities out there for like you can buy things at Punta Juan or for free and have them turn into significant amounts. And I would say look more towards those types of things in and not think that you have to invest all $1,000 into like one or two NFT's?

Jamie:

Yeah, I would I also think that just as an overarching theme, I would try to be very patient. And you know, in this space, you're gonna see people making insane amounts of money. And you're gonna see some of them doing that very, very quickly. And I think, especially if you only have a small amount of money that you don't feel like you can easily replenish, you got to really be good at resisting the urge to try to get the gains that are as big or quick, or both as these other people you're seeing and just have have patience, and don't feel like it's now or never and don't go, oh, I you know, there's a lot of situations where you might see a project and feel really strongly like, this one might be superduper successful, and I really don't want to miss it. But but then you end up spending 40% of your total bankroll and if you just you happen to be wrong, you're going to feel really shitty and have a very depleted amount of money to work with. There's lots of opportunities, they're gonna keep showing up. So don't go. Don't fall for the FOMO. You know, you got you got to have patience.

Roy:

Yeah, I think that's a really good point as well. Patience is a virtue. It really does. Like, if you can't replenish your $1,000 be be patient. Because yeah, the opportunity cost if you lose, it is enormous. And there are gonna be good opportunities and cheap opportunities that will come along. And you want to have a little bit of money to be able to, you know, take advantage of them, or try to take advantage of them. Yeah.

Jamie:

All right. Goncalo. Vera asks, when Two Bored Apes, podcasts NFTs.

Roy:

It's a good question. We've spotted a bad question.

Jamie:

Yeah, we have spoken about it. We would like to do something. And we've batted around privately a couple ideas, but nothing that we are totally sold is the best idea. But right now, we're just mostly focused on the podcast itself and growing our listenership. But we definitely have plans to start doing stuff like NFT's and merch down the road.

Roy:

Yeah, for sure. I think Yeah, we were a podcast about NFTs. We're gonna do an NFT somehow, some way. It's just something that seems cool and fun. It's a good way to interact with our listeners. And we don't know what it's gonna be like exactly or when it's going to be, but we will do an NFT exam.

Jamie:

We'll do something. Yeah, yep.

Roy:

If you have suggestions, feel free to tweet at us. We have a two way Twitter account now, which is not very active, but we'll try and make it more at all. Or pop into my Discord. There's a Two Bored Apes channel there.

Jamie:

Yep. Or just reach out our individual handles on Twitter. Of course.

Roy:

Yeah. Yeah. tweeted us. And we'll do something eventually. That was the questions.

Jamie:

Twitter, q&a. Right, what is the latest on your one eth challenge.

Roy:

Alright, so I don't exactly remember where we were last week. But things are going well, there. It's been a pretty good week, I've not been super active buying and selling. But I've made. Let me just give you an overview of where we're at. So I have in my wallet, one point or two eth. Plus, I have 26 NFT's. So that sounds good. It does. And the value of those entities is between 1.5 and two eth? I would say. So we're sitting at around two and a half to three eth. And well,

Jamie:

that's it sounds like you've had a great week.

Roy:

Yeah, it has been a good week, I had. Let me try and think of what some of my big wins were. So the deluxe bears, they sort of that there was something I mentioned for point oh, one in the first one of the first few days of the challenge. And I think I got I got quite a lot of them. And they run up tremendously. I think they're close to one eth each now. But I sold all of them before, like the last one I sold at point three, six. So I sold 1.36 1.18. And then a few below that. Just because you know, those were tremendous gains. already. I didn't really want to.

Jamie:

I've heard people on Twitter talking about bears a lot. I didn't know which ones they were referring to. I guess it's those

Roy:

ones either the deluxe bears or the winter bears, which are another bear that's going absolutely crazy. But yeah, so that was a big win. I think I saw one of those were point three, six this week. I have just had the value of some of the things already in my portfolio go up like the crypto months. I mentioned them for point oh three, I think last week, during the update, they will probably be worth around point oh two. And now the five extra that they're about point one each. So that's a big plus. I got lucky. And I minted one of those capsule houses a couple of days ago. I mean, they had a crazy

Jamie:

tough one a min I tried to mint those and didn't get any. Yeah, I was

Roy:

trying on five different browsers with five different wallets. And the only one I got in on was my wanting to challenge wallet, which was good for the challenge, but bad for my overall net worth because you only afford one whereas I was already to mint six and all the other ones. But I mentioned that 4.1 effectively and flips it very quickly for point two. And yeah, it's just generally been a successful week. Flipping things and having the value of things I mentioned previously, overall go up, a couple of things have dropped in value. But yeah, I'm feeling pretty good about it. And you know, two and a half to three eth. Like that's a two to 3x in two and a half weeks, I will take that it's not that meteoric Hey, you just got 100x and immediately rock it up.

Jamie:

But sort of like this is this is a huge step up from where you were last time was the way I remember it, your your first week update. And again, it was more like a half a week or whatever, because when you had started spaceship, it was basically things had gone slightly bad. And then the first full week after that you had gotten yourself to, if I remember correctly, you had maybe like point six or point four eth and then had NFT's that were worth enough to have your total value be like just over one ether or something like that at the time. Yeah, that sounds better. I mean, so it seems like this last week has been quite, quite great, though.

Roy:

Yes. Yeah, I'm probably

Jamie:

so yeah. So again, you have just over one eth now are Is there anything new you're looking at getting into or any of the stuff that you're holding that you have kind of listed for sale that you're looking to, to get more capital to make maybe a bigger investment or any any sort of plans?

Roy:

I am kinda tempted to get a Roberto's. But that's just such a huge investment for this. Yeah, that's crazy to me a bit crazy, but I do have a decent level of conviction in them.

Jamie:

Oh yeah. And if you have enough NFT's that are sellable within it already, like, maybe you could bid point seven or whatever on on a bunch and try to hit one. Yeah. But that still seems like such a big chunk. But But like, you know, once you get up to four ether something in value, I guess it's not that wild to put point seven into something if you've already got a lot of other sort of diversified options within that for a value.

Roy:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I was gonna say one of the other big wins was and I minted a nifty league D Gen 4.1. And pretty quickly flipped it for point three. And I was sort of regretting not minting more and my wanting to challenge roll it just because I really believed in the project. But you know, that was still a big win this week. So yeah,

Jamie:

that's a cool project that we I vaguely wish we talked about this week. But I guess we can link to that one, too. It's an interesting project that people should look at. Yeah,

Roy:

we'll, yeah, we don't need to get into it. But ya know, it's been a good week for the wallet for the challenge. And I am, I'm not really looking at anything coming up. Like, I'm not fully aware of any launches this week. But sort of a lot of the things that I get into I find out about as they're minting or an hour before they start, people start talking about it. And it's very last minute quick decisions. And yes, some of them work out. Some of them do not. But overall, they've been working out. So I think I'm just gonna keep, I think I keep doing what I'm doing. And I think as like I'm trying to sell off and stop minting on my main wallet or wallets. I'll have a little bit more time to do better on the one eth challenge, and I'll be more excited about minting on it because it'll sort of be where all my like, I really enjoy the flipping aspect. I like doing that. But it's tiresome and difficult to do when you're meeting 100. But if I have only one or two eth to work with, and I'm only meeting two or three, it's a lot easier to just list those for sale, flip them and just not spend as much time so I think, yeah, I'm excited for what the next couple of weeks holds for the one.

Jamie:

How it's exciting that it's really thoroughly going well, all of a sudden now

Roy:

it is yeah, the first week was not good. Like, yeah, I don't 45% of it into sevens. And then, yeah, the sevens, I sold that for a loss. They actually tanked quite a bit. They went down to like point two, five or something. But then they recovered very strongly. And then now back around where I bought them. Anyway, what is going on with with your project abstract with the day?

Jamie:

Let's see. In the last week, I would say the two biggest things is that day 103, which was the piece that I released on September 28, which was basically five days ago at this point, was the first ever one that I did that was animated, which seemed significant to me. Around day 40 Or so I would say I started kind of tinkering with doing animated pieces. It you know, again, coming from a watercolor background. And just starting in digital It was sort of so foreign to me. But it did seem like to be doing digital stuff. It's you're you're kind of you're not utilizing all your options if you don't at least consider doing some you know, thoroughly three dimensional rendered stuff or something animated. So it was just something that I started toying with. And I made probably four or five different animated things that were things that I kind of thought were almost good enough to mint Oh my My wife Kayla's back doors unlocked. Okay, I have to go let I'm going to why. Okay. Roy talked about my abstract

Roy:

today for a minute. All right, I'm looking at his recent mints and I am really loving day 102. So we'll probably link to the whole collection and you can go and have a look at all of them that he's up to day 107. Yes. It's, it's a cool project. I love that he's going for I believe his plan is to go for 365 days. And and then I think he's going to continue doing abstract art. Just in a different format, I think he wants to move to his own contract and maybe instead of doing one a day, move to maybe one a week or spending more time on them and doing alright, good.

Jamie:

My wife and dog are now making an appearance on the podcast. Hi, Kayla. Ray says hi Kayla. Kayla says hi as well.

Roy:

No, you're stupid country we're in let me in.

Jamie:

He says no, you're stupid country won't let me

Roy:

stupid. You're stupid. All right, we should end this.

Jamie:

Take that. Um, I have I had other stuff to talk about with the abstract of the day project, though. Go. The other thing I wanted to mention was in addition to the first animated piece, day eight broke a record for secondary market sales. Oh my god. I did not I did not tell people about on the podcast about how you're mad veterinarian. I was mad. But it didn't seem relevant. You're right about that. You're welcome to the podcast. As a person. That's true. That is very true. Yeah, great points all around bed. Yeah, the other thing I wanted to mention was that sold five days ago as well, for point five, which is a new record for the project. And that made me feel quite good that, you know, day eight, I was so green at the time. But I kind of like it. It's very colorful. And it's the first piece from the collection that this wallet slash person has ever bought. So I wonder how they heard about it, and how much they like that specific piece of art versus are sort of getting it for the historical value within the project.

Roy:

Yeah, that's interesting. I was going to ask if you knew you were,

Jamie:

I have no idea who they are. Those are the two little updates I wanted to give on this. I've also started doing for a long time I was doing all of my pieces were basically 2000 by 2000 pixels, just perfect squares. But I've tried and I've been trying to do formats that fit modern day tablet and phone screens a little bit better lately. And I'm kind of I'm kind of having fun doing things that really full screen well on a phone or a tablet.

Roy:

Cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. I think one of the ones I bought recently day 106 was one of those what a tangled web we weave to

Jamie:

Yes, the title

Roy:

I really liked that one.

Jamie:

Yeah Did day 94 was what a tangled web we weave the original I quite like both of those how those came out.

Roy:

I was just actually telling the listeners while you were dealing with Kayla before how much I like day 102 curved calm by

Jamie:

the way, by the way, talking of dealing with kids. So we were out with some I know you can hear me we were out with friends I left a little bit early to come do the podcast then I unlocked the door because I had her keys so that way she could get in and then she got home just assumed that I didn't unlock the door for her went into the backyard and knocked on the window right by me where I recording and insisted that I let her in okay, it's in the abstract of the day portion of the podcast all right. Right Do you have anything you'd like to plug?

Roy:

Yes, I will go ahead and plug the same thing I plugged the last few weeks which is my Discord channel, which we will link to in the show notes it is I will link to in the show notes it is the one that I'm sharing it's yes it's I think it's just a really cool community. I really love the the vibe that is in there the people that have joined make it a cool community everyone is so friendly and helpful to one another I love to see it. I'm around and posting semi frequently when I can and I really enjoy every time I'm in there and

Jamie:

I mean the two board apes channel a lot and yeah, sparingly in the other places but definitely in the two boards one a lot. Yeah. And I I'm also having a lot of fun in there it is

Roy:

it is fun to just chat with people and there's also a one eth challenge Channel with my updates every day I post sort of a recap of the day what I did why I did them. And yeah, it's just a really? Yeah. If you're interested in joining the community, then come on down. We'd love to have you. Yeah. And

Jamie:

connecting with like minded individuals.

Roy:

Yeah. What would you like to plug if anything, Jaime?

Jamie:

Um, I wanted to tell people about a really great podcast. And this almost sounds like a funny way for me to talk about this, but it's not. When I say this, I mean this part. But that's not what I wanted to plug. There's, if you're into history, I already know by the fact that you're listening to the plug section of this two plus hour podcast that you like long podcasts. So maybe check out this podcast called Hardcore History by Dan Carlin, and might also just come up as Dan Carlin's Hardcore History, wherever you look for podcasts, but he is somebody who puts a ton of effort and research into his podcasts and finds superduper interesting historical stories, and tells them in a very long form format on his podcast. And it really made me fall in love with learning about history. So if you think that you'd be interested in that at all, I highly recommend it. And you can contact me personally on Twitter for like, specific episode, recommendations, because I've listened to them all. And they're fantastic. And I just I think he deserves to have all the listeners in the world.

Roy:

Awesome. Yeah, I've listened to a handful of episodes, and I have really enjoyed all of them and learned a lot. So he really hasn't engaging I actually I'm gonna,

Jamie:

he does starting to talk over you. I'm just going to mention a few specifically, he does a multi part series on World War One called blueprint for Armageddon. That is fantastic. And he also has one on the Mongol Empire. And another one on the end of the Roman Republic, those those are three super strong series that I would recommend checking out from him.

Roy:

Yeah, I've listened to Blue parrot, that blueprint for Armageddon. And I really

Jamie:

loved I've probably listened to that all the way through seven times. And it's like, I think it's like 38 hours longer. Like, it's six parts, and maybe they're about four or five hours each, something like that. But yeah, I mean, it's amazing.

Roy:

You should know that Jamie listens to podcasts about 18 hours a day.

Jamie:

That is not true, but I do probably listen to him for 10 hours a day or something like that. I'm I'm very deep into podcasts for sure. Yeah. Ah, all right. This has been episode 92 board apes to buddy. Thanks for listening.

Roy:

NFT's

Jamie:

Defi and some random stuff

Intro:

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh