Episode 17 - Now with a Miscellaneous Segment

Jaime: 0:00

The hosts have Two Bored Apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice.

Roy: 0:11

On today's episode of Two Bored Apes, the news of the week is Wolf game. Everyone's talking about it. Everyone has an opinion. So do we, we talk about what we love what we hate Wolf Game forks, all of it, we break it down. We have a Bored Ape Yatch Club segment, as usual, but not a lot had happened at the time of the recording. So it's pretty brief. We have an artblocks segment as usual, and we break down the most recent curated drop otology, as well as just chat about the ArtBlocks market in general. And then we've actually added a new segment which we're calling miscellaneous to talk about, you guessed miscellaneous things, generally just projects that don't fall under the other categories that we still want to talk about. So this week, Jaime discusses the Chicken Derby project and I talk a bit about Curious Addy's Trading Club. And then as usual, we chat a bit about our projects. Jaime with his abstract of the day, me with ZenAcademy, and there's actually a one eth challenge update. Alright, hope you enjoy.

Intro: 1:08

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jaime: 1:28

Welcome to Episode 17 of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jaime. I'm here with my friend and co host Roy. Roy, how are you?

Roy: 1:35

You're not gonna believe this but I just did have a big meal again.

Jaime: 1:39

I actually could believe that very easily. Yeah. Oh, I just had the big meal yesterday. The big meal of all American big meals Thanksgiving. Yep. Now you have never had a Thanksgiving. Is that true? You never happen to be in San Diego with your sister or something.

Roy: 1:56

Yeah, no, I've never celebrated or have like that whole shebang. I'm pretty sure I had Yeah, no, I'm thinking I had Christmas turkey at Christmas once in America but never Thanksgiving. I mean, it sounds amazing. I love food. I love delicious food and everything looks

Jaime: 2:13

pretty great all the sides are good but Turkey like we all agree basically that Turkey is not good and it's just it just unfortunately stuck being the meat of choice for the for the meal

Roy: 2:25

and you just have to like pat it with good sides.

Jaime: 2:28

Pretty much yeah.

Roy: 2:29

Have you ever tried to give him like a really a like a high tech or sophisticated Chucky with science where you like inject the the turkey wheat Brian and stuff I'd frequently

Jaime: 2:42

done like Brian's but I think the ultimately the This is so not your vanities and stuff. But ultimately, the problem is that the the birds are so big, and the breast and the dark meat cook at different temperatures. So by the time that the dark meat is at a temperature that's actually safe to eat, your breasts are way overcooked. I think the way to get around that is to actually spatchcock it, but nobody really does that. You know, if I ran my own Thanksgiving, though, I think I'd be spatchcocking should we talk more about our favorite meats or get into the podcast? Oh, how about your um, your big meal? What was your What did you just eat?

Roy: 3:23

it was nothing fancy. Or they we just had some. We have some fish. We had some, like a mash with parsnips and carrots and three potato and a salad. relatively healthy meal.

Jaime: 3:37

Uh huh. I'm regretting asking you what your meal was because that wasn't particularly entertaining. Let's go to the actual stuff. All right, News of the Week. News of the Week. It seems like the news of the week is the wolf Wolfie sheepy game. What is it called?

Roy: 3:53

It's called wolf game.

Jaime: 3:56

Basically missed it. I woke up and then all of a sudden the floor on this new thing was crazy. The ERC 20 was crazy. And people were just talking about how insane it was. And I had basically missed the boat. It felt like but that is insane. Yeah. And there was like multiple exploits. And then they added stuff. And now there's copycats tell us tell us all about it.

Roy: 4:16

Yes, I got lucky that I did mint some basically I just heard a bunch of people talking about it, you know, in the usual places. discords on Twitter. And one of the things was people like the whitepaper is really cool. It's like a cool new mechanics. And I does sound

Jaime: 4:33

interesting structurally like they're doing stuff. There were other other projects are just not interactive, or like dynamic. This one has interesting stuff.

Roy: 4:44

Yeah, it definitely does have interesting stuff. It's well, so the way I got into it, basically I was in between meetings, and then I saw some tweet. I think it might have been coal or someone just tweeted out saying this is cool. And I you know, this was like the fifth time I heard it that day. So I clicked on the website, click on the white, white paper, and I just saw a bunch of texts. And I was like, I can't read this right now, but I'm just gonna mint 10 and then check on it later. What

Jaime: 5:11

would the Whitepaper have needed to look like for you to read it? Like why even? Like, they go, Yep, it's a whitepaper next.

Roy: 5:17

Well, if it was like, five lines, or something relatively small, like two paragraphs, I would have read it, but it's like, you know, 10 12 15 paragraphs long.

Jaime: 5:26

That's just like a white tweet. Not not a whitepaper.

Roy: 5:30

I don't know what I was expecting. But yeah, I mean, it is interesting when I didn't get around to reading it. It's like this game theory style game, where, you know, when you mint you have a 10% chance of getting a wolf and a 90% chance of getting a sheep. And then

Jaime: 5:50

there was an exploit that that oh, yeah, maybe some people able to get wolves. Right. But the first one I think was there, right? Where people were able to get what sort of, was it similarly done to the famous MeeBits one?

Roy: 6:03

Yeah, I think so. So someone figured out that you could basically send a transaction through? And have you checked to see if you got a wolf or not. And if you didn't, it could like revert the transaction or fail it or cancel it or whatever. So it doesn't actually write to the blockchain. And you just keep doing that over and over until you get a wolf. I'm not 100% sure that that is exactly how the exploit worked. But it does something like that. Yeah. Like it. Anyway. And so the way the actual game works is that you have these wolves and sheep and you stake them. So you put them in this bond, which means that effectively, they're locked up in a smart contract. And as they're locked up, you're sort of passively earning a ERC 20 token called wool. And you can you can unstick and claim whenever you want. Actually, no, that's not true. You can claim the wool whenever you want. But in order to unstake your sheep or wolves, I think you have to have accumulated 20,000 wool, which is the amount it it takes two days to accumulate that much. So

Jaime: 7:09

let me pause you right there. The the sheep aren't generating wool while they're stick. But the wolves are two I didn't know if the wolves are only getting it through like they're stealing mechanics, or they both generate it.

Roy: 7:20

Yes, so the sheep's passively just generated at a fixed rate. The wolves generate it. Whenever anyone else decides to unstake or sheer their sheep, there's like a percentage chance that they won't get the wool themselves. But instead, the wolves will steal it. And that's how the wolves that are accumulating

Jaime: 7:38

what evenly amongst the wolves are like one wolf just gets lucky and is the one that steals it.

Roy: 7:44

In this case, it's split evenly, I'm pretty sure amongst all the wolves. So if you undertake and share a sheep, there's a 50% chance that all of the wool is going to get stolen. And if you just decide to share without on staking, there's a 20% chance that it gets stolen. And then so you mean Alright, so you generate a wool what what is wool good for? Well, you could then mint, new sheep or wolves using wool. So the first 10,000 were available to meet with eth. And then after that they had another 40,000 available that were available to mint with wool, and they sort of increase the amount of wool you needed to do mint them. So I was like 20,000 wool for the next 10,000 and then 40,000 wool for the next I think 20,000 minting an 80,000 for the last 10,000 So like, obviously as people are minting more more sheep and wolves getting staked more wool has been generated, they need to up the the amount. When you mint, there's also a chance that a random wolf will steal whatever is minted, I think is 20%. I can't remember exactly what it is. But

Jaime: 8:46

that's just it itself will just go to the Yes.

Roy: 8:49

So that that's one of the pots that I found really cool. It's like you can mint something and then just immediately is stolen and goes to another person's wallet. And these are valid like the market has determined these to be valuable NFT's. So you know, it's a really cool, interesting game. I always say this, it's great. It would be nice if it worked. It's got like multiple exploits now that the game has been paused minting is paused you can't unstake it's just not in a good state. But you know, the market went absolutely crazy for them. The price of sheep went up to

Jaime: 9:21

just like the farmer likes to like they keep it

Roy: 9:25

and now they've added farms and farmers for some game that's coming out in 2022. And there's a pouch Wait, I don't know

Jaime: 9:32

that. It's just how it stores the wool. Yes.

Roy: 9:35

Which then releases? It sounds like a lot of puns economics, really, because it's like, where's the value in this?

Jaime: 9:40

It's just I mean, initially when you said when you're talking about what do you use the wool for? Well, of course you use the wool to get more sheeps. Like yeah,

Roy: 9:49

yeah. And one of the sheep for? well you get more wool... it has no use case outside of this game ecosystem which, for one reason or another, people are valuing it I think the market cap of wolves one point was $850 million. Which is so crazy insane. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, so yeah, there was another exploit found, I think where someone figured out that you could perhaps unstake or share a wool and get like

Jaime: 10:18

somebody's got way more water than you're supposed to.

Roy: 10:20

Yeah, actually no one actually used the exploit someone just found out that you could be theoredical. Yeah. And then he's he tried getting the attention of, of the devs. And you know posting about it on Twitter and the discord and I think he might have even got banned from the discord. And then eventually he just tweeted it out, because how was he gonna get the word out there. And then, very quickly, the devs paused the game got in touch. And they've been working on a solution, which I think now they have figured out and they're basically going to migrate to a new contract. And last I checked, it sounded like, you know, the users were gonna have to foot the gas for this, even though the team or the founder has raised like, I think eight figures.

Jaime: 11:01

Yeah, that doesn't make any sense.

Roy: 11:02

Yeah. Like, I hope I'm wrong about that. But it seems it almost seems ludicrous, like I've been trying to achieve. I minted 10 To begin with, and then i What did you get when you did that? Oh, gosh, nine, nine sheep and one Wolf. Okay, as exactly as is meant to happen, I guess. Oh, the as the odds would say, and then I had them staked, I generated some wool, I shared them. And I got 80,000 wool. And then I a minted another four. I got three sheep and one wolf. And one of the sheep got stolen. So I ended up with 13 in total. And then I ended up selling

Jaime: 11:46

13, total NFTS? or 13. sheeps?

Roy: 11:49

11 sheep 2 wolves. And then 123456 im just counting now. So I currently have six sheep and two wolves. So sold five sheep. Yeah. For I think around four eth each, which is just such a stupid amount of money.

Jaime: 12:07

What was the original mint price?

Roy: 12:11

.06942.

Jaime: 12:13

Of course. That's a classic mint price. Yeah, that's a that's an amazing return in no time at all.

Roy: 12:19

Almost 100x It's like 80x or something in like three days or days. Yeah, that's so stupid. I know. It really is.

Jaime: 12:27

And nevermind all the wool that you could still sell from them. And the sheep and wolves you have left?

Roy: 12:32

Exactly. And it is. And I got free land, which is valued at like point three eth each or something. It's it's old, stupid. It makes it's just stupid. It makes no sense. But um, yeah, I mean, I am trying to extract myself from the ecosystem as much as possible. But like my wolves and sheep, and wool is all tied up. It's like, the game is paused, you can't do anything. And I'm assuming that as soon as it's unpause and the contract is, you know, they migrate to a new contract. There's just going to be 1000s of people who now have these assets

Jaime: 13:06

really trying to sell them. Yeah, exactly.

Roy: 13:09

I predict it'll be a monumental crash. But I mean, a lot of people seem to like it and find the game. Cool.

Jaime: 13:15

But they're making tons of money. Yes,

Roy: 13:18

exactly. People are saying, you know, I'm making I'm not actually having a day on I'm sure. Yeah. Yeah, the fun is in well, there's a little bit of fun. And like minting and

Jaime: 13:26

there is, it's definitely novel and interesting. But then, you know, like, just when you describe the, the market cap, essentially of the wool, it's like, it's not that interesting, is it? Yeah. And if it is, I think it will depend on a lot of future building. But that future building will sort of necessarily mean that value is meant to be spread over like more things, like for instance, these farms. So if it if they work to build it out to the point where it's reasonable, that wool is worth that much, they're also adding all these other NFT's and potentially other ERC 20 tokens that the market is, you know, going to value. So is that value really going to leak from the wall to the other things? Or is it going to continue to just grow and be, again, too ridiculously priced? Where now? All the assets are worth $4 billion instead of just 700 million?

Roy: 14:18

Yeah, it's it's ludicrous. And yeah, I mean, a couple issues. I mean, one is the game is not coming out or like the land and the farmers and all that's till 2022. You know, people will have short attention spans, the NFT's fears people want liquidity. I mean, it's hard to imagine the prices don't tank between now and then. And secondly, in time,

Jaime: 14:41

there's a fake supply crunch right now. Yes, it really is.

Roy: 14:45

Yeah, it's yeah, it when people can unstake it. I think we'll everything will come crashing down, but we will see. But yeah, also in the interim, while things been paused. We've had All these forks pop up where people said, Hey, this is a cool idea, we can, you know, we can copy the contracts, we can fix the exploits, we can launch our own version. And there's tons of things that have now like, progressed further than wolf game in terms of the actual game. And people are enjoying them that there's forks on other chains where the gas is lower, and you know, you're getting the same fun is just, you know, you're paying less and it's hard to imagine that wolf game necessarily will capture or recapture the attention of the community in a way when so much of it has already been split off into a lot of these forks where you know, people that missed out on wolf game, they're not necessarily going to say Alright, I'm gonna buy a wolf now for four eth when they can just go and buy a whatever, you know, there's cat and mouse game, there's whale game, there's Fox game this are many for you know, they can get one for point oh five or point one and then stop the game from beginning and get in on the floor of the Ponzi. You know, you don't want to be at the top of the Ponzi. You want to be the bottom of the pyramid. Yeah,

Jaime: 15:59

yeah. Do you remember when I was sort of obsessed with the idea of getting a werewolf like game on chain? This, this seems like the first time where something close to it is being done? Yeah. And so I'm definitely interested in it for that, you know, just perspective or whatever. And, and I always like when somebody tries something new with NFT's. It does seem again, like, it reminds me a little bit of the loop where the market is just getting so ahead of itself, because there's something kind of new with potential and jacking the prices up to totally unrealistic in my view. Levels.

Roy: 16:38

Yeah, I mean, I had a lot of flashbacks to loot, I mean, as well, because with loot you came out and then all these derivatives and forks just popped up. And we're sort of seeing the same thing here. And we all know how loot worked out like he pumped at 20 eth or something and then came crashing down to I don't know, between three and five, I think was what a dip to maybe it's around there at the moment. I haven't checked lately, but I'm

Jaime: 16:59

still seems expensive for

Roy: 17:01

a lot of cool derivatives, though. Like, oh, yeah, I heard about one yesterday, which I actually can't remember or like, explain it well enough. But it was it's something along the lines of they went they started a whole new like, defi protocol. And you could earn their native token by just taking loot, or the adventure gold token, which you know, derived from loot. And they, you know, gave back to the loot community in that way. And now the protocol is worth like, eight or nine figures. Yeah. So, you know, the community of loot is full of builders, and they're doing cool stuff. And they're finding ways to reward the loot holders and build out that universe. So it was absurdly priced at the time. But now that we've had a few months of building and they've created some stuff, I think that it's

Jaime: 17:57

gotten chopped in eight or whatever. Yeah, exactly. The differential is definitely better now, but it still seems ambitious. Yes. There's also the like, you know, the the same types of ideas, and people that are sort of into the idea of loot. It's also like, well, how much of that can also just be built for nouns and how much for cryptoads and blit maps and all of this stuff, and like all sorts of future projects, and there's just the amount of stuff that can be you know, because it's all building Legos, they said basically how, how specific does to loot Does something have to be to make it, you know, value loot in that way where you can't just also plug in other projects into it, and stuff like that. Yeah. And then you also get into the things where you just want to look sort of at the specific tokenomics of stuff and and see, okay, this idea and ecosystem is valuable, but does the value necessarily reside within the NFTs, or does it reside somewhere else? You know,

Roy: 19:12

yeah, definitely, definitely so much

Jaime: 19:16

potential and so much still to be seen from so many projects. It's, it's, it's crazy how early we are still, you know, really, and we've been saying that for months, but

Roy: 19:27

yeah, it's gonna be true for a long time. Still, I think. Do you have anything else to add to wolf game?

Jaime: 19:35

Not really. I mean, I knew very, very little about it. I know quite a bit more now.

Roy: 19:42

I want to maybe touch on another news that we topic which I sort of came out today, there's this new sort of COVID variant that's getting the world kind of spooked and people are asking, you know, is that going to affect the crypto markets, you know, and you know, we woke up today and things crashed like eats is down. 10% That seems to be an immediate reaction. I don't know if it's to that or to whatever

Jaime: 20:06

else the stock market was down as well. But yeah, I never put too much stock into one day's Yeah. worth trading.

Roy: 20:13

Yeah, we'll have to see what the next several days do. But if it's similar to when, I guess COVID first came out, which we need to see that the new variant is a lot more like, it's going to have a similar effect, which I'm not convinced that it will yet but prices tanked a lot. But then they rebounded hotter than ever, especially for crypto. Partially, I think because people would just talk at home a lot. And with NFT's especially now they were like, looking for ways to find people online connect and these community NFT's really boomed when COVID was sort of still around. Oh,

Jaime: 20:55

yeah, I mean, when the stock market went absolutely ballistic, like it crashed 35 40% or whatever, but then just rebounded so hard. And it was when it was rebounding. It was still like very early days, like we weren't even to the first winter. The Yeah. The vaccines weren't even particularly close. And the market was just like, fuck it. We're going back up.

Roy: 21:17

Yeah. We'll be interesting to see what happens now. Yeah, you know,

Jaime: 21:23

I don't do much in the way of market prognosticating, especially in the short term like I to me, that all seems very Hocus Pocus, for the most part, any technical analysis, or just trying to infer from, from what's happening in the world, what's going to happen over the course of the next two weeks in in any financial market is always, that seems very much like a fool's errand to me. So I try to stay pretty far away from it. I'm more concerned with like, where are we now? And what is the world going to look like in 40 years? What types of companies or in crypto space, you know, protocols and tokens are going to be more used more valuable, more interesting than versus now? And that's sort of the way I try to approach all my financial decisions.

Roy: 22:12

Yeah, I'm largely the same. I mean, I think we both have read and loved the Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham. And yep, take that sort of value investing approach, at least for you know, things that we want to hold long term, maybe I do a bit more of the short term flipping, and that's, well, I guess I don't anymore. Well, I used to, but if I am, just

Jaime: 22:36

by the way, you just told us about how you flipped a couple sheep for 100x and four days.

Roy: 22:41

It's funny, cuz like, two days, I think before that, you know, a group chat. Someone said, Oh, Roy apes into everything. And I was like, Oh, actually, I don't anymore. I'm not sleeping in the wolf game and a couple of bucks, Avon, much fewer projects now than I used to. It kind of seems like

Jaime: 22:58

there's less projects to me lately, but it might just be the way I've sort of curated my Discord and Twitter feeds, but it definitely seemed like for let's let's go back, like six weeks, you know, and and for the two months period from, you know, what would that be three and a half months ago to six weeks ago, there was tons and tons of new projects. But it does feel like it's slowed down lately, because I guess it's just been harder for projects to sell out and gas has been high. So there's just been kind of a bit more focused, from my perspective on the existing projects and building them out. And there hasn't been as many new drops, it feels like, yeah, what was what was the last time there was a big new profile picture project, like neck a verse or something?

Roy: 23:47

There's one happening right now, the littles I think is I

Jaime: 23:50

don't even know what that is, you know, doodles, I guess would probably be the best answer. But yeah. But it does seem like there was like five every single week that people were going on, I'm going to get it. I'm going to flip it. I'm gonna see if a community coalesces around it. And now it seems like maybe once every week and a half or two weeks, I'm hearing about something that is in that same vicinity that people are are caring about and planning to mint.

Roy: 24:20

Yeah, I mean, I do think there are fewer hype projects than there were six weeks ago. Because we have that

Jaime: 24:27

it's not as easy for people to just it's definitely not instantly sell out.

Roy: 24:31

Yeah. And I mean, that's a good thing. I mean, there's still tons of projects and people is launching lots, but they're not selling out. They're not getting as much hype, and some are electing to delay, or change up the meaning strategy, etc. Which I think is

Jaime: 24:45

the market is forcing you to make something more interesting. I think yes. If you want to sell out at this point, which is

Roy: 24:52

good. It is very good. It's nice to see

Jaime: 24:56

news of the week or the week. All right, let's talk about art blocks I have, I have two specific things. And one general thing written down here. I have the new curated drop ontology, which just came out, we can talk about that they're also having they're literally today. Exactly today is the one year anniversary of the creation of art blocks. And what is his name? Jeff Davis wrote a little thing about it, which I read before the recording. And so those are the two specific things I kind of wanted to talk to you about.

Roy: 25:34

Yeah, I just read the Jeff Davis newsletter post, like, three minutes ago when you went you took about from that bathroom break? And yeah, it's crazy that it's only been a year, but like early as we didn't know what an NFT was a year ago. So this is a little crazy.

Jaime: 25:53

Oh, man, I wish we did though. We could have could have meant that a bunch of squiggles.

Roy: 25:57

squiggles at point o three, five. Just that's crazy. It's so crazy. And ether was like a no$300 or something. But also at

Jaime: 26:05

the at the time, it probably probably seemed crazy to spend that much like what the hell am I buying this for? Right? Yeah, was there any such thing as a valuable NFT? I guess punks were selling for like hundreds of dollars by then. But

Roy: 26:17

yeah, may vary somewhat 1000s Anyway,

Jaime: 26:23

but Why would something brand new be worth it? Maybe if like only punks were gonna be anyway. Yeah. Anyone to talk about? Continue talking about that? Or? Or jump right into talking about ontology? Or let's talk about ontology.

Roy: 26:35

I think it was a cool drop. Did you? Did you miss any?

Jaime: 26:40

I was there. And I tried to min at point five. I was either gonna make a point seven 5.5. And I got a little bit greedy, because they weren't going super fast. points on five. So I went for 2.5. And I was not able to get one. That's a bummer. They Yeah, it's, I don't love it. So it does seem like one that might just be better for me to search the secondary market and find a specific one I like because I'm just, you know, you have to like a higher percentage of the collection for minting to be a good way to get a piece that you end up loving compared to searching afterwards.

Roy: 27:18

Yeah, that's that's definitely true. I liked them quite a lot. Rachel loves them. So I minted six on the day. And she got one. And it was sort of split between the point five and point seven five mark for for us. And yeah, yeah, pretty happy with the outcomes. I think. I think the diversity of the collection is one of the weaker points, like it's got a lot of most of them look good. I think I mean, I think pretty much all of them look good. But our objective, but usually they look good. I think they look good. But a lot of them look quite similar to one another.

Jaime: 27:59

That yeah, they all look very similar, like in terms of when you see something that's so weird to say see something like this? Because like, What the fuck does that mean, but in a project that had more diversity, I think you would see ones that seemed more sort of zoomed way in or zoomed way out. Yeah. Whereas the like, the total number of pieces, so to speak, in any individual piece from the collection is pretty consistent. And the size and shape of the individual pieces, again, pretty consistent. So you have diversity in background color, and you have diversity in the color of them. But in terms of the layout, and the scale of them, it's all it all kind of reads pretty similarly to me.

Roy: 28:49

Yeah, me too. Like if you get to that have the same background and like similar colors. It's at first glance, they just kind of look almost the same. A lot of the time, at least. But I have not

Jaime: 29:00

looked much at all into the traits, which I'm actually just doing right now. Which which would help me certainly to understand kind of what's going on behind the scenes more. Like for instance has a trait called Rocky Road. Have you? Are you familiar with this? 871 Nab false and only 147 True, so I'm not really Yeah,

Roy: 29:21

I'm actually I'm scrolling through the collection now on the Upload site, which is anything I do and I think I've found what it looks like. It's like these tiny little, like, mosaic style. Yeah, tiles, I guess, across part of the thing and it looks really cool.

Jaime: 29:39

You're saying when rocky road equals true?

Roy: 29:41

I think so. I haven't actually looked at the truth. Let's go on. No. That's just what I'm guessing is the rocky road. Look what he wrote. Nope, that's that's not it. We'll treat that. Mmm Hmm. Interesting, I guess I guess that's not what I was thinking of. But um, yeah, it's have you?

Jaime: 30:07

I'm just just gonna jump to a slightly new topic here. But have you looked at the previews for the next project? The next curated one specifically, I mean,

Roy: 30:14

I have only seen the one preview,

Jaime: 30:17

okay, it's called bent by it sketch. I'm pretty excited for a lot of it is very, very much up my alley.

Roy: 30:26

I'm looking, I'm gonna open up the upload,

Jaime: 30:30

it has a little bit of like the, who am I thinking of the guy that kind of did MC Escher to where, like, you can see that it's showing sort of a spatial quality in terms of dimensions, but it also is a bit of an optical illusion in terms of Oh, yeah, you're always going up for instance, even though it kind of looks like it's down that kind of weird thing. Yeah. And the artists also released like, you know how sometimes these curator artists will do like a write up on the project afterwards about how the the algorithm works. This artists already has one up, which is kind of cool. So you can kind of see what's going on behind the scenes before the project is even released.

Roy: 31:18

Now that's really cool. I'm looking at some of the tests though, the the preview mins now and they look very, again, diverse and cool and interesting. I think the the one on the website, the number or one Mint is really zero. Yeah, yeah. And zero. It's

Jaime: 31:36

also it seems like it's kind of a rare one because it's less connected and intertwined. It seems very minimalistic. Yeah, compared to the other test. Net. It's, it's it there's a bit bit of a like three dimensional what's what's the rep Dan cat 170s Pop series? Yeah. Like there's some of a three dimensional and less curvaceous version of that.

Roy: 31:59

Yeah, I had that exact same thought when I was looking at one specific one of them in the in the Testaments. Yeah, definitely has like

Jaime: 32:07

definitely looking forward to that project. Let's let's talk maybe about the the one year anniversary or the art plots market, or generative art in general, which one of those do you want to dig into? Because I don't have enough thoughts about ontology to go in. Yeah, more. But I would love to talk about these sorts of things a bit more. Well, let's talk about

Roy: 32:30

the one year anniversary. It's today. It's comes around once. We're like the anniversary comes around once a year. It's this is

Jaime: 32:37

the first time it's ever happened.

Roy: 32:38

It is what is it?

Jaime: 32:40

What was the first curated one you meant it was that Elementals?

Roy: 32:44

Um, I think it was aerial view.

Jaime: 32:49

I'm gonna I'm gonna go back and look at the order of these so I can get a frame of reference for

Roy: 32:54

this. Yeah, I think I'm into aerial view. And there was a your

Jaime: 32:58

your a lot before me.

Roy: 33:01

Yeah, definitely. And then I first

Jaime: 33:03

one was sub scapes.

Roy: 33:05

That's a great first one.

Jaime: 33:07

Yeah, too bad. I flipped like an idiot for point seven, five. Yeah.

Roy: 33:12

Um, I got aerial view, and then I got synapses. And then I like, just missed out on algo bots. I wasn't as like prepared for these drops, I wasn't ready at drop time. And it's all that, quote unquote, quickly, I think within like 10 minutes, and then immediately shut up. And I really liked them. I still do, obviously. And then basically, from elementals onwards, I minted every single curator drop until Samokov semoga when I was just busy and distracted and admin, but I've now accumulated like eight on the secondary market, because I really love them.

Jaime: 33:47

That's quite the run. You have they're meant in them.

Roy: 33:50

Yeah. I mean, yeah, I mean, I remember we were in Spain, and Rachel and I had gone on a day trip up the coast from Barcelona, Costa Brava region, and run this, like, we're having a drink at this cafe, overlooking the sea and geometry, runner's dropping, and I was like, alright, you know, this was the peak of the bull market. And like every, every appliques drop was just instant profit, basically, in the short term, at least. And yeah, there was using the mobile app and I'm into one, and then it shot up to 15th floor, which is absurd. That was crazy hashing down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

Jaime: 34:34

I'm looking back and I've only minted, like seven ish, different curated projects. I think I kind of missed a lot of them. Let's see. I did sub scapes watercolor dreams, that's two and then I didn't do anything until dreams three I got a glitch crystal monster for pigments five fragments six I've only done six. Hmm.

Roy: 35:03

That is a low amount considering you've been aware of our blocks since Elementals. At least Yeah,

Jaime: 35:09

you know what I'm always so bad at and scared of gas wars.

Roy: 35:14

Oh, no,

Jaime: 35:15

I've you that I've kind of shied away from them a lot.

Roy: 35:21

Yeah. Water Color Dreams. I really love those. I'm actually looking at them now. I kind of hoped that they'd crashed more. There's still like the flow is 2.2 eth. Which, you know, given that they were point or six ether a long time, it's it's still like,

Jaime: 35:40

it's a pretty great. It's super unique project. I mean, we were always talking about Yeah, how unlike other projects, a lot of these things are but but watercolor dreams really fits that bill to me. Like in terms of looking specifically, structurally, like regular art, like pigments is the only other one that I can think of that has something vaguely similar going on. But it's also way way different, obviously from from what pigments is trying to do.

Roy: 36:10

Yeah. Very different. Very cool. I'm just, I want to go up look shopping now. I think we've sort of, you know, I hate to try and tie in the market, but it does feel like I think you said some of these yesterday, the day before. It's like there's no more sellers left. Yeah, I

Jaime: 36:28

think I do think they've largely run out of sellers for a lot of these projects for that. And there's, you know, there's not that new demand coming in. Like there was when it seemed like it was so easy to profit, but it's just the the pieces that exist, are not in hands that are trying to get out of our blocks anymore for the most part.

Roy: 36:51

Yeah. I mean, you get a 720 minutes for two and a half eth.

Jaime: 36:57

Yeah, I know I, I'm tempted to get more of those. But since I already have some of them. There's just a lot of other projects that I think I'm going after more. I haven't I haven't been bidding or buying much. But I have been loaning on NFT five for lots of art blocks pieces lately, so I just kind of need to rely on people to not pay me back in order to acquire them. But right now I have loans out on three fragments. One apparition, one sculptor and one meridian. I've never had any meridians or apparition so that would be kind of nice to get.

Roy: 37:32

Oh, you never had apparitions interesting now. I really I

Jaime: 37:35

really like some meridians apparitions like the the ver the like the very soft ones, I'm less than two, but the ones where there's like very distinct lines, one on top of another. I quite like those.

Roy: 37:49

I really rare. Yeah, I was not a fan of them, like the first eight times I saw them and like briefly looked at the collection. And then just spending a lot of time in the blocks, Block Talk channel. I think it was a druid, one of the team members who, you know, he loves them, and we go on about them. And I ended up looking more and more into them, and then just sort of started to appreciate them more and more and more. And yeah, I think it's a collection. I really, really liked them. Now, I'm looking at

Jaime: 38:20

one. Do you have a preference between those two styles that I just talked about? Or Not really?

Roy: 38:24

Not really? No, I think

Jaime: 38:27

but he Do you know what I'm talking about when I'm describing them that way. Um, pull it up, pull it up on our blocks, and let's talk about what we're doing right now.

Roy: 38:36

I'm going to pull it up and you're going to describe it again. So it's fresh in my mind. So what Alright,

Jaime: 38:42

so like, mint number one and two are of the style that I'm into versus like mints, three, four and five.

Roy: 38:53

Oh, so like the horizontal versus the vertical?

Jaime: 38:55

The very, very thin lines? Yeah, I'm quite into those ones, whereas the softer ones are less appealing to me.

Roy: 39:04

Okay, I would say on the opposite then. Yeah,

Jaime: 39:07

because like when I've tried to trade in Block Talk or in a trade listing specifically on our on our box, it does seem like I'm in the minority. So yeah, if I keep trying, it's I should be able to get a piece that I like for maybe you know, less than the pieces that I don't like, number 27 is pretty cool. Number 27. Yes, see,

Roy: 39:31

let's go de Bachmann's name written all over. Oh, yeah.

Jaime: 39:35

Let's see. Probably him. Yeah. I have been looking a lot at some of the more expensive projects that used to be like crazily expensive, that are now much more reasonable specifically archetype and unit grids. They just they seem wildly out of reach for a long time and now our If I didn't have taxes to pay in April, they would be definitely something that I could I could be grabbing right now, or at least bidding on. But but they're close.

Roy: 40:10

Yeah. archetypes, especially I love them. And

Jaime: 40:15

I think the colors on archetype are so good. The pallets are really

Roy: 40:19

amazing look at you know, I'm gonna look at I don't why can't I think of the name the playground project paper Amada? Oh yeah, yeah. Which is by the same outfit seems

Jaime: 40:31

like a very fun one to collect. Yeah. And then white sort of thing.

Roy: 40:36

Well, they're relatively affordable. Now. Point three, five is the cheapest.

Jaime: 40:40

Yeah, they got up to like, just over one for a little bit there.

Roy: 40:44

Which for collection size of 3000 is pretty impressive.

Jaime: 40:48

Yeah. What is that the fourth biggest collection on all of our plots? After squiggles, flowers and transitions?

Roy: 40:55

Yeah. Right. Right. That's been

Jaime: 41:00

a lot of talks talk.

Roy: 41:01

I think so. Yeah. Let me just quickly bring up our list. General market topology one year anniversary. I mean, I could just sit here looking through the collections and, and potentially buying things actually, just before we started recording. Oh, I saw the the floor on assamica. The the curator project from a couple of weeks ago was point 293, which is ludicrous. recreated project. I pulled it up. And I saw one that I really liked. And I went to click and buy. And then like three seconds after that you will like I think I'm gonna buy 289

Jaime: 41:33

Yeah, yeah, you go. Are you ready to record? I said, Hold on. I think I'm gonna buy number 289. And you just bought it just,

Roy: 41:39

yeah.

Jaime: 41:41

You mother effer. And I tried to find the next one of that style. You know, it's just scrolling up the floor. And I'd have to pay like, double what you paid. Yeah. Number Number 31 is similar. And it's priced at point five. That would be the next one. Yeah. Anyway,

Roy: 42:00

these are cool. Yeah.

Jaime: 42:01

Do you want to talk about generative art in general at all? While we're while we're here? Now,

Roy: 42:07

we could talk a bit about that. Um, I this bit, there's a new generative art platform on Tezos. That's been getting a lot of attention

Jaime: 42:16

FXhash. Yeah, yeah, I've been hearing a bit about it. But I haven't looked into it much myself. I'm gonna have to at some point, that and then there's like the doodle labs thing, which we touched on a little bit ago, but I guess maybe it's possibly more established. Now. Again, I haven't been paying attention. So I don't know if they have multiple projects. Now. We're still just one.

Roy: 42:34

With doodle labs, I think they just have the one at the moment and the next one they're releasing. Soon. They came out with an announcement maybe a week ago, saying that anyone who collects a full set of the doodle labs, first project, the family MOOCs, there's like eight, I think, eight different profile picture types. And then if you get one of each thing, you'd get a lifetime free Mint for the rest of your labs, which seems insane. And like I want to collect that now, but I think the most expensive one is very expensive now like the bottleneck for that. Um, but yeah, FX hash it's just as people call it like the OP blocks for Tezos, but it's a little more it's like the opposite.

Jaime: 43:19

The whole thing is kind of like yeah, I was gonna say it's it's all factory essentially. Yeah. In terms of it being very open.

Roy: 43:26

But they've had a few uploads artists release pieces. And

Jaime: 43:29

yeah, it's like I saw a couple of them also tweeting just their collections that they're making over there.

Roy: 43:36

There are some really cool ones there are some that don't appeal to me at all. But I mean, there's just

Jaime: 43:41

looking at this propolis right now it looks kind of nice. Actually. That one I

Roy: 43:45

like and I like the plant by G one dude. Who likes those 3d

Jaime: 43:51

I've never got anything of his but I've I've spent a decent amount of time bidding.

Roy: 43:56

I mean, there's one for nine T's tezos right now which is under 30 bucks or something

Jaime: 44:01

Yeah, I don't unfortunately I don't know any of my Tezospasswords I'd have to Oh boy create a whole new thing or what Yuma call it recover recover phrase, but I'm gonna have to because I'm definitely planning on bringing my abstract of the day over there and just starting in collection over there. Yeah.

Roy: 44:19

Nice. I just loaded up my wallet with a bunch of Tez to go on a buying spree but like I couldn't find enough that I really loved and it was so cheap that it was like nine Tezos. Six Tezos. Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm gonna need to find I think I want to get one of those. Oh, you know what I tessari? Yeah. Oh, those

Jaime: 44:42

are those were quite popular for a while. Hyper giraffe is one that I've been seeing a lot of it's by Peter pasma. The guy who did sculptor Hmm. I've been seeing those on Twitter a bit and there they are appealing to me. And

Roy: 44:53

that's one FX hash. Yes. What's it called again? hyper

Jaime: 44:57

hyper giraffe one word there. They've already printed out those 200 of them.

Roy: 45:02

Oh, yeah, these look cool. They are not crazy expensive either. All right, I'm gonna get one.

Jaime: 45:15

I love collecting art.

Roy: 45:16

It's great. And it's so easy. Now with NFT's.

Jaime: 45:20

I know, we were talking a little bit off the air that I've, I've been vaguely thinking about selling my eight, if I can get a good premium, a very good premium on the floor for it, because I can, there's so much great stuff that I could buy, you know, if I was able to sell it for just north of 100 eth, for instance, a lot of stuff that I've wanted to get just couldn't really justify, I would be able to, to snag a nice piece of if I was able to do that.

Roy: 45:50

So would you like instantly buy a floor ape, and then buy all his other stuff?

Jaime: 45:55

I think I would probably be like, likely to look at what was available on the floor. And if I could find something that appealed to me, yes. Because I definitely don't want to leave even though, you know, because of the fact that I have my mute and I wouldn't really be leaving. It would still be appealing to me definitely to have an OG eight. But I don't think that I would just for the purposes of doing it by a four one, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I would have to find one that I liked near the floor, which is not necessarily a problem usually. Especially because, you know, if I'm selling mine for that much, theoretically, I could definitely go 510 15 hours above the floor and still be fine with it. Yeah. And when when your total universe of age to pick from is that big. I can for sure. Find multiple that I'm into.

Roy: 46:48

Yeah. I'm looking at Tesla ads now. I'm gonna I'm gonna buy one.

Jaime: 46:54

What? And so what is the floor on those, like, these days? And how many are there?

Roy: 46:58

I think this 10,000 I'm not 100% Sure. But, uh, hang on 4200. All right, that's nice low at the floor is 289 Tez. And price of Tears

Jaime: 47:10

is 470. Okay,

Roy: 47:13

so that's like $1,500 or so just under

Jaime: 47:19

for an NS prices that's very cheap for like for as dominant have a sort of profile picture. Exactly. On that blockchain as it is. Yeah. I'm, I know very little about Tezos. But I am impressed by how just flat out our market oriented it seems to be like, I don't know if defi even exists there. Or if people are interested in doing that. It just seems like a place for artists and art collectors. Yeah, I

Roy: 47:49

mean, I mean, I've always was great for them. I've always heard everyone who is like knowledgeable and in tune with blockchains and the tech and defy just like crap on Tezos. They say it's not a yes chain for all these reasons. But it has this really thriving art community. And that's cool.

Jaime: 48:08

Yeah, it is. But it's also interesting where, you know, to be especially generative, but to be in the art community in this sort of space, you do have to be kind of like weirdly technologically savvy and nerdy. And I wonder if they are sort of disagreeing with the purists about the blockchain or because the the market is just so thriving in terms of art. They're that they're just going and and sort of looking past the flaws of the blockchain.

Roy: 48:43

Yeah, I think it has, like, a lot to do with maybe not necessarily looking in depth about the the tech and the blockchain, but more about gas being low and non existent. And then probably even more so the environmental impacts, like a lot of artists hate the environmental impacts of eth. And proof of work blockchains and Tezos sort of ostensibly gets around that. I'm not entirely sure. But yeah,

Jaime: 49:14

I actually, probably proof of steak, I would guess, but I don't know.

Roy: 49:17

Yeah. There's so many different like proof of this, that and the others now that people are experimenting, rather than that's cool. I was talking to the artists behind the toddler pillars project. We did a Twitter spaces with them a few days ago, and they're like, very in tune with the art community, at least in Australia. One of them owns like a gallery. And I was asking them, What is the perception of you know, quote, unquote, regular folks, you know, artists who aren't in the energy space, what do they think about NFT's and he said, a lot of them are just sort of waiting for eth 2.0. Because they have these environmental concerns and they're like, then they'll they'll be jumping on board. So We could see some sort of a bigger flood in when that happens. It makes sense. Yeah,

Jaime: 50:05

there's definitely a ton of art people whose number one complaint about NFT's is it's destroying the environment, which is definitely, you know, it feel was a thing that was quite true, I would be totally on board with agreeing with them. And obviously, proof of work blockchains are not good for the environment. But if you look at like an accurate collection of data that tells you what is using up electricity, and what is contributing to global warming from electricity, the, the slice of the pie that is related to Kryptos is just, it's, you have to zoom in a lot of times to even be able to see it. So you kind of just have to frame the argument in a you know, scaremongering type way to get people afraid of it for that reason. But I think it also kind of goes hand in hand with the other dismissive ways that people just dismiss NFT's, you know, they go like, Oh, this that the other thing. And it's destroying the environment, you kind of hear a lot of that. So it's sort of just a cherry on top of their simplistic arguments against them. Yeah, but but, you know, like, we're saying here that if you go to Taizo, the cherry on top is gone. And then you just need to get to the other stuff. And I'm just, I'm practically rambling here, but a lot of the like, Big S stuff in the NFT markets are just, they're so expensive, that if, if you are at all questioning whether it's stupid to pay money for a piece of digital art that people can right click save, it's very different to do that for $1,800 and bad for the environment versus doing it for $20. And totally fine for the environment. It's like, you can bridge that gap or not be totally afraid and buying into that narrative, if it only is costing you $15 To support this artist, and to collect this art versus you know, doing it with the really old blue chip Etherium stuff.

Roy: 52:20

Yeah. Yeah, 100% agree.

Jaime: 52:26

I got my tezos wallet.

Roy: 52:27

Yeah, I just bought three Tesla ads on the call. They're, they're really cool. I've been a fan of the artist since I think like April, I started collecting his work on Fantasia and I just found it just like scrolling through. I think he can be whatever you however you pronounce that. Or just I think I searched maybe hashtag the same word on Twitter and and just look through autism. Like instantly appealed to me. So yeah.

Jaime: 52:56

I'm looking at the circle packing thing on FX hash. Now it looks quite nice. And only only one of them has been minted. And that's nothing.

Roy: 53:06

It really is. They do a thing where they like they they pause minting for like most of the time and they open it up for short blocks, I think because like the network can handle a maximize or something like that. Yeah.

Jaime: 53:23

Okay, let's let's move on.

Roy: 53:26

Alright, uh, yeah, that was the topic section, I guess,

Jaime: 53:29

our four day club, but it'd be a club. So what what's been going on in the board API club this week? To me, not a ton. We're still waiting on the mobile game. That's like, the biggest thing to me is I'm just I'm, I'm chomping at the bit to get to it. And it seemed kind of like it might have been out by now. But it is not. Because they said soon. Maybe this is no or something at this point. And it's still not out. Yeah, patiently are not patiently waiting for that. Yeah, it has been slow weekly help. Okay, what would you say? I'll just say it's been a slow week. Yeah. In terms of news, it has been the the sales have been pretty consistent. The floor has been, you know, it rallied up to what 51 or something for a second. Yeah, around. Now it's down to like 43. Yeah. And that sort of coincided with F going down and then back up. But now f is going back down again. So perhaps the eighth floor will go up. There's, you know what I did notice I was trying to see if there have been any huge sales, because those are always kind of fun to talk about. There hasn't been much in the way of giant sales, but there have been a lot of sales that are like 20% 50% 100% above floor. So like, interesting that that people are shopping that far above floor without going for the ceiling, because that's generally considered the least liquid part of markets in the NFT space. And there's been a lot of people hunting in that in that range.

Roy: 55:07

Yeah, I mean, I have noticed, just on Twitter over the last week, there are a bunch of like, new people joining saying, Hey, this is, you know, I just joined aped in any click on them. And they have like a million followers or like just a ton. And so I'm guessing it's like, people that have good amount of money and are buying it because they want the status symbol, they want to be part of the club. And they're just like looking for one that appeals to them. And they like

Jaime: 55:33

vibes with them as exactly say, the vibes.

Roy: 55:38

Yeah, so I guess that's probably what's happening.

Jaime: 55:42

Yeah, I can, I can see that. I think there's also just a lot of this sort of sharper and bigger players in the market are kind of just looking for those pricing inefficiencies all the time. And because we just kind of had a drastic run up that was quick and a quick pullback. They're probably just finding some inefficiencies of, of people that were looking to exit at one price. And now the prices come back and all that stuff, and just people not adjusting quick enough. Yeah, yeah. There's also I think, like, like when the market goes up, and then pulls back, there's sort of people that were hoping to exit and now regretting that they didn't exit, you know, nine F in Florida or whatever. And so there may be a little bit more willing to take offers, because they're sort of feeling regret and worrying that the pullback could be even bigger.

Roy: 56:33

Yeah, definitely. Um, yeah, I mean, slow news week for the board. He

Jaime: 56:40

also it seems like board APR club members, Steph Curry is probably going to win MVP in the NBA this year, which is pretty spectacular. That is cool. Oh, good at basketball. Unbelievable.

Roy: 56:53

I'll take your word for it. Yeah, Jimmy Fallon changed his peripheral picture back to himself, but created an account just for his eight. It's kind of a true thing. Yeah. You know,

Jaime: 57:09

much less visibility for the Apes or certainly then. Yeah. 1 million Twitter followers. But yeah, what are you gonna do?

Roy: 57:16

You know, board and breezy app board and breezy is the ape account. Yeah. He does say stay tuned for updates from the commotion waters. So maybe he's gonna do something cool from there.

Jaime: 57:31

Yeah, I mean, he literally has a television show that's on five nights a week for an hour or something. So there's there's a lot of potential for exposure still.

Roy: 57:41

Yeah. That's so cool.

Jaime: 57:44

It is. I'm making literally just a recurring segment on it. That becomes

Roy: 57:48

very popular. That will be amazing. I would love that. I would love that, too. I love the oops, me too.

Jaime: 57:57

I can't wait for the mobile game. And that's seems like just about all we have to say on it this week. Not much going on.

Roy: 58:03

Yeah. foodie.

Jaime: 58:09

Miscellaneous segment. This is a new miscellaneous segment. Because when we were preparing this episode, we saw that there was so little stuff to talk about in the board API club, that we thought we should talk about some other stuff. And we've kind of been for a while wanting to find a way to specifically talk about other topics in a longer segment, rather than just kind of when they happen to come up in Twitter q&a. For instance, like the whole time, we've been recording the podcast, I vaguely wanted to talk about cool cats for a segment on an episode or something. But there's just never really a specific time we can talk about it, because it doesn't fit with any of the other segments, something like that.

Roy: 58:57

Now we have it. As soon as you started talking about how we didn't have much to talk about the board. I remembered I have something else to talk about the Body Book Club segment. Oh, yeah. What's

Jaime: 59:07

up? What's up?

Roy: 59:09

I used my M one and m two serums on my AP this week. Yeah, create still don't

Jaime: 59:15

have an m two and which I'm bummed about. Yeah. Although I missed the low

Roy: 59:21

of my M want a lot more than my m two. Oh, yeah. Which I think is not an uncommon thing amongst female.

Jaime: 59:26

It's not. Yeah. Anyway,

Roy: 59:29

that was a cool thing that happened onto the miscellaneous segment. Don't talk about cool cats. I mean, I don't

Jaime: 59:36

specifically want to talk about Cool Cat because I don't I mean, like after their companion drop comes out. That's a good time to talk about it. For sure. I'm getting quite close to but what about you? What did you want to talk about?

Roy: 59:50

I wanted to ask you about chicken Derby because that's a project we're both involved in. And I think they have the beta play tests released soon. I'm not following it very closely, are you?

Jaime: 1:00:03

Yeah, a day or two ago, they did their first ever races, they just did 10 of them, there was a lot of issues, but not so many that it was like a disaster that has destroyed the floor or anything at all like that. But you know that they said, We're going to do beta testing in like October, and it got delayed a little bit. And so it just happened a couple days ago. And they, you know, people didn't know how many there would be. And people were really kind of planning thoroughly about which my chickens am I going to race. But then when they had the actual announcement, it was a much more limited trial than that, then people had realized. So it was, it was almost like a first come first serve in a very small number of races, just so they could have it actually happening on the real network with other people, not the devs. And in real time. And so they had some issues like they had like a race where there was basically just multiple sets of results, which is obviously not something that you can have. And they also had, what they found was that pretty quickly, a chicken would get out in front, and then all almost all of the other chickens in the race would not even be on the screen anymore. So it was just not a compelling viewing experience for the for the chicken owner. So they're working on that. Whereas like in Zed, for instance, you can adjust the camera, you can zoom out and change the angle, which allows you to always kind of be able to see what's going on with with all the horses in the race or at least specifically the horse you're interested in your chicken Derby right now is lacking that. So they're they're working on fixing that. But that's you know, that's a a visual problem. And they have sort of more pressing concerns that they need to fix. But the the floor is still pretty consistent with where it's been for a while now. So I think people are happy with the progress and aren't really too disappointed that it's it's not immediate. It is interesting that you asked about this though, because I had been sort of positioning myself in chicken Derby as a strong competitor to Zed as Zed kept kind of fumbling and losing there you know, sort of brand loyalty or affinity amongst the fans. And lately is that has been making a lot of decisions that I was really agreeing with. And and I've just been finally for the first time in a long time, becoming sort of bullish on Zed again, which makes me less interested in acquiring more chickens and thinking maybe I want to get some Zed, but I already have a nice stable of chickens already or coop I think it's called rather than a stable. So I'm sort of all set there. But now I am thinking that I want to get back into shopping for Zed horses.

Roy: 1:03:00

So what is all the good news that's happened with Zed? I know one where they reduce the like they took away the rake,

Jaime: 1:03:07

they completely took away the rake in all paid races. And as you and I both know, coming from an online poker background that is like beyond enormous it's it's probably hard for most people that don't have a thorough gambling background to realize how big of a deal that is. But it's it's really enormous.

Roy: 1:03:25

Yeah, I mean, it's got me wanting to race again, which I had not been interested in racing for a long time.

Jaime: 1:03:32

Yeah, so the other big thing that they did that people like lately is the the breeding fees were denominated in F. And as F prices ran up from like, let's say 2500 to 4500, the breeding fees became completely unreasonable for people to do financially speaking, and it sort of just kind of killed the breeding market. And people were saying you need to denominate these in US dollars, you needed to nominate them in US dollars. And they finally listened and implemented it. And so that has also really helped people. But But to me, the biggest thing definitely is the the getting rid of rake in the paid races. They've also been doing a lot of these tournament's lately where it's basically there's just a prize pool, that's pretty significant. And then there's a bunch a ton of free races, all the time that you basically use to qualify for the next round of it. And then it's sort of a bracket type system for the actual horses. And it seems like my horses I have three right now to Genesis and one non Genesis and they're all like good enough that if I started right when qualifying started, I could probably qualify for but if I'm not super, super paying attention the whole time. They're not quite good enough that I could do it without a ton of effort. So I'm I am kind of looking. I've been I've been racing them in the trials but not quite enough to qualify, but I am looking to maybe go a little bit higher up in the in what do they call the genotype for that for the z number? Yeah. To get stuff that's a little bit better to qualify.

Roy: 1:05:17

You know, it's funny, as you were talking, I went to Zed, Ron and I went to register platinum spirit for a race. And I got, I got three different error messages trying to register

Jaime: 1:05:29

are really interesting.

Roy: 1:05:30

I, yeah,

Jaime: 1:05:32

I've been having them register very smoothly relative to what I used to experience. I'm a little bit surprised that you saw that.

Roy: 1:05:39

But yeah, I had been as well up until today. It was unexpected error. And then it was gait taken. And then it was horse currently active in race. And

Jaime: 1:05:52

well, the gait taken one is is just You're too slow. Probably. Yeah. And but maybe that was slow on their end, and you're gazed on that ticket. Because if they're saying your horse is already in a race, it seems like it's already race.

Roy: 1:06:07

My horse is not in a

Jaime: 1:06:08

race. Interesting. Oh, boy.

Roy: 1:06:12

Yeah, I had high hopes for you said, Ron, I still kind of do have high hopes for you, but you're not making it.

Jaime: 1:06:21

Yeah. The other thing is that this chicken Derby beta, has sort of reaffirmed how, even though Zed is in many ways a disappointing disaster. It's very, very far ahead and very well developed relative to like every single other gaming NFT except for xe infinity, there's nothing else even close. It seems like nothing of what you did play some nifty league de gens the other day and have questions. That was really fun that,

Roy: 1:06:52

yeah, so nifty league DJ Ns is. So the project is called nifty, nifty DJ ns, and like your NFT are these legions, these profile picture avatar type de gens, and that they can be of different races, and then use them to play games on their website. So they currently just have one game, but they're planning a lot more. And the game is called smashes, and it's a nifty smashes, I think it is. And it's basically just like a very similar concept to Super Smash Brothers. But you actually get to use your NFTs. And you can just like, you can easily switch, like in the lobby beforehand, between all the ones you have in your wallet. It's like seamless, it looks really cool. And the game is smooth. And it was fun. I just like, I jumped into the discord. I found three, just fellow holders of the project to play with, jumped into the voice chat and battled it out and bashed and smashed Larry, and then, you know, was a pretty close game had fun.

Jaime: 1:07:49

They had said the non local version was going to be very laggy a few weeks ago, but it's it seems like it's already quite smooth. Now you're saying

Roy: 1:07:57

for me? Yeah. I mean, I'm not a professional for these, these these Fighter games.

Jaime: 1:08:02

We're not a professional fighter.

Roy: 1:08:05

Yeah, we're near. I'm not even a serious amateur, etc. So I didn't really notice too much like it. I'm sure like at the highest levels, even like 30 milliseconds of lag is significant. Yeah, I was playing. So we played on the US of it, because it was like 2am in Europe, and no one was awake to play with me. And it had like a bit over 100 MS in lag, and you know, it was barely unnoticeable to me. Let's put it that way. So imagine if I was playing against other people in Europe, it would have been a much lower amount of lag and yeah, would have been cool. And I mean, yeah, and their,

Jaime: 1:08:46

their goal is to just have lots and lots of different games that you can play with these same avatars. And that's just their first one.

Roy: 1:08:52

Yeah, they're actually building out this whole like meta versus the nifty verse, where you'll be able to buy land and all this kind of a lot of projects, enabling the meta versus, which is interesting and cool. But like, towards the end of the roadmap, they have they want to make like a Mario Kart style game. And that just sounds so much fun to me.

Jaime: 1:09:11

That's always been such a fun game. Yeah. Boy, I love that.

Roy: 1:09:16

Yeah, another project that's doing something similar as gold, a GG, Dow, and, you know, they've also got a game that you can play with your NFT on the polygon network, and it's a cool, fun, platformer style game. It's hard. I keep trying. Because, you know, I'm not a professional. And yeah, I think they're also building a bunch of more more games, which is, yeah, it's just cool to see gaming NFT's like working like having games that you can play with your NFT's now. Yeah. Beyond axiom and said, because

Jaime: 1:09:50

speaking of gaming, NFT's Did you see those that like? The Not, not Vox, so Vox seems rather but the other one where you're like, there's farmers and books, collectibles, box collectibles, so there was they had a huge sale the other day. How huge? It seems huge to me. That's yeah. Does that help?

Roy: 1:10:14

The floor has gone up a ton. It's 165 eth. And that was sitting at point one

Jaime: 1:10:19

gorgeous. Yeah, I spent like two days bidding pretty aggressively on them. Yeah, in terms of the number of bids, but the the prices were just too low. And I never got one.

Roy: 1:10:31

They've had one sale at 100/8 and one at 110/8. Which is a huge sales 120 was two minutes ago.

Jaime: 1:10:42

Oh, wow. That's not the one I was talking about. No, it

Roy: 1:10:45

must have been the 100th one, which because obviously, if

Jaime: 1:10:48

the last 101 was like within the last three days or something, yeah,

Roy: 1:10:51

two days ago was 100. Yeah, that's 110. And then before that the highest was 69.42. Of course. Well, I love NFT's.

Jaime: 1:11:06

Yeah, me too. It's amazing how how, I mean, we talked about the earliness or whatever. But like, there's so much building that is still to happen with the existing ones, nevermind the future ones. I'm I'm curious about the idea of a project that launches that is, like, almost fully formed, you know, because that's, that's still seems so foreign at this point. Because largely, because a lot of the projects are using the funding from the launch, to be able to do all the building. But I mean, how successful theoretically could a project be? Where do they go? We're launching and like, all of this stuff that's on the roadmaps of all these other ones we've done. It's here, we have a merch store open that's got nice stuff. We have, you know, an ERC 20 token that is used usable in a realistic way. We have, we have apps, we have a blockchain game like we have the first episode of our TV show that that's all seems theoretically possible. And but I wonder if the market would be? I mean, obviously, I think they would have to value it pretty highly. But there is something less exciting about being in like, you're just not in as early. Yeah, the the potential, like, if you look at something like loot, because it's so open ended when the people are initially buying in, you can kind of dream as big as you want. But then when this stuff is already there on launch, you can kind of look into the flaws or whatever, of what exists and compare it more negatively to other things that already exists that are maybe better than it. Yeah. But I do think we're gonna have to see more of that in the future right projects that are more well developed before they even launch.

Roy: 1:13:03

Yes, I think so as as time goes on. Maybe not like fully developed, but because you want you know, after launch, you want the team to still get it has to be a living breathing thing for Yeah, but I'm definitely motivate like, we're already seeing projects now launching. I mean, with a game nifty League, de gens launch for the game. GG dial launch for the game. We're seeing projects launch. Sometimes read like a utility or tool like a website analytics website. They build that first. And then they launch an NFT that says you have access to this website. Plus, we're going to build other cool shit. Yeah, I think we will see more of it as time goes

Jaime: 1:13:44

by you just said the word shit. Right? You swear very infrequently on this podcast?

Roy: 1:13:48

I swear very infrequently in general. Why is

Jaime: 1:13:51

that? Right was what was what was the swearing situation like growing up for, you?

Roy: 1:13:56

Know, a lot of swearing? I think. Yeah, I mean, it was just never a common thing. And you'd get in trouble if you did. I don't know. I wouldn't get in trouble if I did.

Jaime: 1:14:10

It just didn't happen. And it didn't occur to you to do it.

Roy: 1:14:13

Yeah, I mean, at school at a certain point, you know, kids start throwing more. I was just never something I did. I don't know. I can't pinpoint a specific reason as to why not.

Jaime: 1:14:24

I was always swearing.

Roy: 1:14:26

Well, yeah, yeah, it shows.

Jaime: 1:14:32

I want to talk to you about these curious attys that you very frequently talk to me about. Yeah, they're, they say they're sort of like a duo lingo for NFT's. What does that mean?

Roy: 1:14:45

The goal is to create an app, which is basically going to be a similar to what Jura lingo is for language learning. They want to make a similar app for people to learn about crypto and NFT's because it is so difficult to Learn about all of this, like, it's difficult and usually expensive. And there's not really this one go to place. It's sort of like, kind of what I was hoping for Zen Academy to be in a sense, maybe I still am. But Zen Academy is probably already at a high level, I think they want to, we all have friends who ask us all like relatives or family, whoever, about crypto and and fees, because they see us doing it all the time, like, how do I get in? And currently, it's like, well, you know, these are a few articles, I think, are really cool. These are a couple of good YouTube channels, follow these people on Twitter, join some high schools, and then come back to me and ask me a bunch of questions. Yeah,

Jaime: 1:15:36

he saw that information together into a cohesive worldview. It's tough.

Roy: 1:15:41

It is. And it would be great to have a single point of, you know, just a place that you can direct people to that where they can learn about everything from what a blockchain is, to how to set your gas settings and how to use open sea and trade. And that's what this sort of building, you know, if they do it with a game, you know, people learn very well with a game like, because it's just more fun, it's interactive. It's more likely to keep people going. And I think I like I don't know, the full end of the roadmap or the vision, but they want to be able to reward people for learning. So it's like urn to learn kind of thing. Where, again, I don't know the specifics of how it will work, but

Jaime: 1:16:23

sort of doing that classic gamification thing. Exactly. Yeah. Which Joe and NFT's are structurally very good at.

Roy: 1:16:33

Mm hmm. Exactly. And yeah, so I mean, the vision and the goal is stuff like I'm, I think that's a great idea to start. I think that's something that if they can build it, excellent. And then that gets the second part, the the co founders, they're just extraordinarily competent people. And I believe that they can build it like that they worked at successful startups before. Ben, one of the founders he received that

Jaime: 1:16:56

is a great idea for a thing. It is just in terms of what is needed, and what would be helpful for onboarding. Yeah, it does. I'm curious, though, how your theory. Oh, curious. That is. That's funny, I didn't realize that. I'm curious how the initial NFT is meant to kind of represent any of that value. You know, because like these, these projects that are just more pure, like social clubs and flexes and profile pictures, it's all sort of, you know, it's a luxury good, that is valuable, because it's valuable. But when you're trying to do something like what curious ADDYs is doing, I wonder who it seems almost like something where they could be super successful in building that and really help out in onboarding people, but not necessarily have the N T's. The initial NFT's kind of go up in price as much as their sort of impact on the overall economy?

Roy: 1:18:05

Yeah, no, I mean, that's definitely something that they need to think about and figure out how to add value to the OG holders. I know that they're planning to do more jobs in the future, because they realize, you know, the drug 5000, that is not enough when we're going to have millions of people in the ecosystem. So we'll do another drop of 10,020 1000 40,000 as time goes on, and you know, they could just give a free one to everyone who holds the OG that's just one basic way to return value. I think they're contemplating some sort of token type thing, like most projects, but obviously speaking with lawyers and finding out a way to do that in a just aboveboard manner. Yeah, I mean, again, I don't know the fully fleshed details of how they're going to do it. But I do think the app is going to be successful. And they will find a way to funnel some of that success and the rewards back into the early supporters as sort of is a tenant, tenant, tenant, tenant tenant in crypto, where, you know, we saw the ens AirDrop or like, you know, the uniswap thing or i MX did it like any project that Oh, even like boy apes, everything the Hearst AirDrop recently projects love to support the early supporters. And I think this is going to be no different. And I think that

Jaime: 1:19:22

I could I could also see if if they are quite successful at their goal, that the people who do get on boarded through their ecosystem would love to own one of the original ones. Yeah. And so in, in that sort of traditional status, see identity model of the existing NFT projects, those original NFT's from them would would sort of take that on for the people who come into the whole NFT space through them.

Roy: 1:19:51

Yeah. And and so like, aside from the the app and the NFT thing, I think that probably an underrated aspect of projects is, how connected are the founders like the team, you see it in the NFT space. Probably like with the littles, it's being launched by this Kong's tank, there's a lot of support within the entity space well connected, it's very likely to do well. Curious at ease. The founders aren't entrenched in the entity space, they're relatively new. They've been in crypto for a long time, but in a tease, but they have these insane connections in sort of, quote, unquote, the real world, like they currently off shooting an educational series. Just again, just helping people like intro to crypto intro to NFT's with NAS Daly, who has a ludicrous Facebook and Instagram following Oh, like his videos get 100 million views. And they're just going to be, you know, helping him understand crypto, he's going to be buying curious ideas on his video. And it's like those sort of real world connections can really help them like that their target is not the current NFT market. Their target is to, you know, the rest of the world. And I think they have that ability. So yeah, I mean, there are a lot of reasons I'm really bullish on the curious at ease. And that's just a few of them. Plus look cute, like I really like yeah, they

Jaime: 1:21:10

are cute. You talk to me in a buy in some of the other day.

Roy: 1:21:13

Yeah. Plus, they have the whole refund policy. I think that's a really cool, cool mechanic. Which more projects

Jaime: 1:21:22

what was the original min price of them? Point or

Roy: 1:21:24

eight? Okay,

Jaime: 1:21:26

so they're they're hovering right around there still?

Roy: 1:21:28

Yeah. Cuz it basically makes no sense for someone to go to much below floor like there is some sense to pay like to look at the money now or 75? Well, because you have to pay a small gas fee to refund it. Whereas if you listed just under the mid price, someone else buys it. They pay the gas. Yeah. Yeah, there is a pretty steady, hard floor built into like point oh, seven 2.08? I don't know. I, I believe in the project, I believe that it'll do. Well, I think that it needs some sort of new catalyst to really take oftentimes a floor price, but I'm really it's one of the projects I'm super content to just hold for months and and longer. So yeah. That's curious Saudis.

Jaime: 1:22:15

That's curious Saudis. And maybe that's the entirety of the first segment. Yeah. Miscellaneous segment.

Roy: 1:22:25

Right. Hello. Hello, Jamie.

Jaime: 1:22:28

What? Have you done anything with this one? Challenge? Is that still a thing? Right?

Roy: 1:22:33

It is a thing. Actually, I posted an update yesterday on it. For the first time in, let's see, almost a month, I think it had had

Jaime: 1:22:42

you did something.

Roy: 1:22:43

I did something. I looked at my wallet, I took stock of where things were and identified a bunch of mistakes that I had made along the way. The largest being not taking profits enough. Just when the going was good. And getting too greedy. And just not being liquid. For the bear market. I think it's like I think a lot of people probably fall into that trap. I certainly did at times with my main role.

Jaime: 1:23:11

So tough because, yeah, like a lot of things will 5x. And then in retrospect, maybe you should have taken profit, but other things 25x and 50x and 100x. It's like, it's very difficult to know when to start taking profits. And again, we've talked about this before, especially if you only have like one or something.

Roy: 1:23:31

So like, I definitely should have sold some of the ones that had multiples of because like I bought for fly frogs. I don't know what them into that like, point 2.04 They got to like a point to 2.25 floor. And for some reason I didn't had four of them. I didn't sell any like I should have at least sold two.

Jaime: 1:23:49

Yeah. And a project like this. Do you think at least sell one of them?

Roy: 1:23:53

Yeah, I just got too greedy. And I was just like, hey, things keep going up and up and up. I could just, you know, this challenge could be over in a week, if you know, these all just keep going up. And then I flip them into something and then all that. Um, yeah. So I mean, I didn't I haven't actually done anything per se on the wallet other than look at it take stock, the current value is just under two eth. So it's still like, during, okay, well, it's just not I mean, it went up to like, almost five eth at some point during the peak of the last bear market. And, obviously, bull markets are Yeah, obviously I'm regretting not taking more profits on that. But you know, the lessons learned and hopefully from here, I mean, it's still sort of the case, but so many of the NFT's and the value of the portfolio is in these projects, or these these tokens that are worth like between point or one 2.5 Doesn't make a ton of sense to sell them. I think that maybe it does.

Jaime: 1:24:51

Well, it seems like it might make sense to sell them but it doesn't make sense for a buyer to buy them when they're going to have to pay the gas. Therefore it is very different. To sell them.

Roy: 1:25:00

Yes. And yeah, so I'm just sort of just sitting on my hands a bit still. We still have a Roboto and a robo pet and they pumped decently over the last few days. Yeah, they're doing

Jaime: 1:25:13

something with Time Magazine. Maybe they're Yeah, have like an animated show.

Roy: 1:25:17

Yes. So time production studios or whatever. They are working with them to create an original series animated show, which is pretty big.

Jaime: 1:25:30

Yeah, you know, we know where it's supposed to error or anything like

Roy: 1:25:33

that. I'm unfamiliar with any further details than that. But yeah, it pumped the full price a little bit. Mullah has a

Jaime: 1:25:40

very lawyer answer.

Roy: 1:25:42

I am unfamiliar. Well, you know, I was almost a lawyer.

Jaime: 1:25:45

No, stop it. Stop. That's an insult to my wife.

Roy: 1:25:49

Well, I went to law school for a while.

Jaime: 1:25:52

Stop it right. Don't say, while. A year and a half? I think I don't think so. I don't think so.

Roy: 1:25:59

I think I think I did. But like, every semester, I was doing one less subject and the previous one. And then eventually I was just like, no, what am I doing? This is? This is not for me.

Jaime: 1:26:10

I still I'm just so delighted by your one story of going to college for less than one class and drop.

Roy: 1:26:16

Yeah. 30 minutes. Maybe?

Jaime: 1:26:18

That is just Nah.

Roy: 1:26:21

I mean, that did

Jaime: 1:26:23

last longer in this last thing where you are pretending like you are going to be a lawyer that did last longer. It did.

Roy: 1:26:29

Yeah. It was fun. And interesting for the first six to 12 months of it like, and then it got hot and boring. And I was like, Nope, I'm out.

Jaime: 1:26:38

Yeah, that was a little bit similar to what made me give up on college. I was like, Oh, I have to, like actively learn new things. And I'm not I'm not isn't to that.

Roy: 1:26:46

Yeah. And poker was around. And that was way more fun.

Jaime: 1:26:52

Sure was.

Roy: 1:26:53

Yeah. Anyway, anyway, yeah, that's the one he's challenged. Nothing crazy exciting to report on. What about your abstract of the day project, what's going on there.

Jaime: 1:27:04

Um, I have no pieces that are for sale by me anymore, which is nice that that has not been the case for a while. Just as as gas prices kind of came up, I ended up having a couple that just didn't sell quickly. And now they've all gone. And I've fully migrated over to polygon for the remainder of this iteration of the project, which again, my plan is to go to day 150 On polygon, and then transition over to Tezos for whatever the next iteration is. But I'm, I'm, I'm just getting excited about the next thing, which is making me a little bit lose my momentum in in creating for this one. And I've also just like, you know, I was excited about being back and being able to get into the swing of creating and stuff again, but then we basically immediately had Thanksgiving and so I was busy cooking and attending and all that stuff around it. So I just I have not been able to do as much of it as I want to. And when I have been I've been working on a reward piece for one of my early collectors who had bought one of the auctioned off pieces where were you get a custom piece as a reward. So I've been I've been working on the one that they requested for that for most of the time that I have to create lately. But that that's pretty much the update there.

Roy: 1:28:33

Okay, you you're still thinking you're going to Tezos though Right?

Jaime: 1:28:37

Definitely. You know, I actually somebody in the two board apes channel of your Discord server was asking me why I wasn't planning on going to salon or, or, or sticking more to polygon for the next version. And, you know, in discussing it, it really helped me to, to be more sure of if I wanted to go to Tezos and why I wanted to go to Tezos, you know, just that sort of same concept as as how people tell you, you should journal or whatever, if you get the thoughts out, it helps you crystallize them. And it definitely just makes the most sense to me for this style of project to be on Tezos. And I'm I'm not sure exactly what it will look like on Tezos. Because again, I want to go to a less rigid format than the of the day thing. But I'm not sure if I want to do one of ones or if I want to do additions or auctions or a mix of all sorts of things. So I'm still kind of thinking about all of that, but but I am very firm on the Tezos part is now.

Roy: 1:29:44

Nice. I'm excited for that. Yeah, and I'm

Jaime: 1:29:47

excited to start collecting there too, because, I mean, we just talked about this earlier in the art block segment. But the ability to collect art on the Ethereum blockchain is just it's so Have prohibitively expensive because you're kind of either buying the stuff where it's so expensive that the proportion that you're paying for the gas is irrelevant. Or it's so cheap that why am I paying 20 to 70% of the price of this piece of art, just to the blockchain itself, rather than to the artist or the collector that currently owns it? You know, it just doesn't make a ton of sense.

Roy: 1:30:26

No, definitely not. Yeah, exciting stuff ahead.

Jaime: 1:30:32

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm excited for it.

Roy: 1:30:35

You're gonna get an iPad? He did you decide I'm

Jaime: 1:30:37

going to get an iPad with procreate for sure. And my Christmas list right now is almost entirely artbooks. Nice. Yeah, so I'm definitely excited to dive back in and get reinvigorated and all of this.

Roy: 1:30:50

Very cool. Very cool. Exciting.

Jaime: 1:30:56

Do you want to talk about Zen Academy? Or are we like, what's what's going on there? You finally did some stuff, right? Because, you know, you're building up to it, then the release happened. And then you were like, exhaling for a day and a half. But now you're starting to kind of churn out the ideas that you had all along. Yeah. Very, very early goings. But

Roy: 1:31:17

yes, the sale ended on Tuesday. So five, four days ago, three days ago. Time is weird. It's Friday, today, a few days ago, the sale ended. And we had about 6800. minted. Plus I'm into the 1000 to put in a Zen Academy wallet to be used for future giveaways and partnerships and clubs and that kind of stuff. A couple of which are coming up soon that I'm going to be excited to announce. But yeah, you know, took a couple days off, well, not off but like, off the pedal after the emitted out. And then last night, I just I put this announcement out there have a bunch of stuff that's been in the works for a while. A few weeks ago, I commissioned some artists to create pieces of work, basically, for Zen Academy, but like, of Zen Academy, or like, ice, the scope I gave them was like, I would like it to be something Zen Academy themed. Feel free to interpret that however you want in whatever style you want, etc. And, you know, the idea is to get them made into additions of three, one will go into the Zen Academy vault vault, and then one will be raffled off to the mains and Academy server and then one will be raffled off in the 333 clubs over. And just a cool way to get what I think is awesome art in the hole in the hands of some of the community, as well as in the vault and as well as getting some exposure for some artists, although that I mean, some of them don't need exposure, because they're very well established already. But yeah, I mean, it's just a cool, exciting fun thing. I really love the first piece by x mio art. Yeah, I think Have you seen it?

Jaime: 1:33:01

I have. That's that's the very pink and blue one. Yeah, yes, I have definitely seen that it does look good. Now the plan for these is to be one of ones that kind of get just randomly raffled off to owners. Yes, right now.

Roy: 1:33:13

Yes. So I mean, I toyed with the idea of, you know, an airdrop on polygon for every single holder. And I probably do

Jaime: 1:33:21

some of that as well. But yeah, it's just it's fun to do multiple things.

Roy: 1:33:26

It is, this is just fun having an empty project. So basically, with this, I figured that A, I mostly chose already very well established artists who have pieces that sell for quite high prices, they themselves may not be and in some cases, just definitely not willing to have 1000s of their work out there just diluting their overall supply. And I think that when that does happen, essentially those pieces, there's very little secondary market value for them. There's just such a supply of them, we have, you know, 1000s of Zen Academy members. And so, I think there's like having the one on ones, it's cool to just, I think it'll grow value for the piece. And for the artists and just like, be just a really nice surprise for the lucky winners. Another thing I've done is I have commissioned another 12 artists to create works that will be given out for Christmas, like 12 Days of Christmas, a total days of you know, whatever we're gonna call it. And for those I specifically chose artists who had never sold an NFT before, or who maybe only sold one or two. And for them, I think it makes way more sense for some of those to be you know, AirDrop to everyone, it will give them more exposure. It gives everyone in the community a chance to get some cool art in their wallet. And you know, it's less about trying to build or create value. It's just about, you know, spreading culottes around so, yeah, it's cool to do a mix.

Jaime: 1:34:51

Yeah, it is. And that's kind of a a nice thing to just sort of take a bit of a cue maybe from the artists themselves or just get their point of view on it and go, Hey, are you okay with having some, I guess AirDrop to 1000s of people? Or do you want to sort of maintain the scarcity of your thing? Are you looking for exposure? Or just to kind of create? You know, yeah, it's good to try different things, but also to just take, take what they want and are new into account. And yeah, just lately, with your Twitter following, you can kind of just whatever you're thinking, you can put it out there and get back somebody who's into the same idea.

Roy: 1:35:36

Yeah, it's really crazy. Sort of on that note, one of the artists are commissioned in this first run up to create a piece for Zen Academy, I really love their work. And I want them to create like a Twitter banner. And I want to airdrop that to everyone in the community, just you know, if they want, they can use this tweet about it as show you're in Zen Academy, because we know the profile picture project, but I think that would be cool. And they said, they'd love to create it. But they, they asked if they could send it to me. So I'm into it, and then give it out to everyone. So it's like it's not the provenance isn't strictly from them. So the supply isn't necessarily diluted, but it's still awed by them. It's still a cool artwork. And like, I'm personally fine with that. It's not not about necessarily, you know, finding and creating value because it's by this specific artist, it's just putting out in the hands of a bunch of, of the community members. And yeah, that's just one option that we're exploring. So yeah, it's been fun. We launched a poker club, using the club GG. App.

Jaime: 1:36:40

I was funny. When you're going hey, I need I like, where do people play poker? Yeah,

Roy: 1:36:45

I was like, I haven't played online poker in a while when I did play, it wasn't really on a good app that would be

Jaime: 1:36:52

literally like it is. It is almost mathematically impossible that anyone in all of Zen Academy has played more hands of poker than you Right? Like, it's very, very, very difficult. Yeah, wait so much.

Roy: 1:37:08

I played more hands of poker than you know. Maybe all but 1000 humans on Earth

Jaime: 1:37:15

or something like that? Yeah. And in all of human history, yeah. Which is kind

Roy: 1:37:19

of crazy. We've lead joins in the discord. I wonder if he's gonna play that would be cool. That would be

Jaime: 1:37:25

cool. I can use whatever against them.

Roy: 1:37:29

Yeah. Are you gonna play its turn? I

Jaime: 1:37:32

assume so. Yeah. What what? It's on poker. GG. GG poker.

Roy: 1:37:38

Club. GG?

Jaime: 1:37:39

GG. Yeah, that's the one I already use for the Royal Society of players. So I've already got it. Yeah, I'm exactly definitely in 24 register right now.

Roy: 1:37:48

Yeah, you can all the stuffs in the discord so I do that right this second. There's a bounty on my head to give you a bounty on your head that'd be fun. Yeah yeah $100 bounty on my head. probably put a bounty on your head. And the winner gets is an academy Genesis NFT which do you know what? Gone

Jaime: 1:38:15

I was gonna say Do you know where in the discord the information is for it?

Roy: 1:38:19

Yeah, there's a new channel called

Jaime: 1:38:22

gaming Gaming Hub poker room. Okay, yeah.

Roy: 1:38:24

And if you check the pinned pin messages in there yeah, so the prize is going to be a Genesis NFT present Academy which you know the full price basically instantly doubled after the sale which is just kind of crazy given a it was open for two weeks unlimited minutes you know, anyone could have been

Jaime: 1:38:43

on unlimited turns to limited the second it ends and then all sudden you've got the scarcity. Yeah,

Roy: 1:38:49

I mean, I'm really happy for those that decided to Mint Mint multiple and yeah. are doing well. I'm

Jaime: 1:39:00

Santa Kadam. Here we go. Um, there's 162 club members right now in the poker. Joining

Roy: 1:39:06

will have to approve you.

Jaime: 1:39:09

After the Masters approval it says I can join the master approves me.

Roy: 1:39:15

Hover over that nine button. I think I got you in. Yeah. I mean, I'm in Yeah. Here we have a lot of club members already. So it's gonna be a six Max. No Limit Hold'em tournament. relatively quick blinds. I don't want it to drag on for hours. Yeah, you know, we'll see how it goes and can adjust for the next one. Yeah,

Jaime: 1:39:40

it's now is this podcast going to be out before then? I'm looking at starts in one day. Probably not. It'll probably have just happened.

Roy: 1:39:46

Probably have just happened. We can send Yeah, I mean, I'll send the files to Brian tonight.

Jaime: 1:39:52

But these are these will keep happening. So

Roy: 1:39:54

yeah, we're gonna do it like weekly or bi weekly or something.

Jaime: 1:39:59

I don't like the word bi weekly because it might I hate it every two weeks and twice a week. Every two weeks is what the English language sometimes

Roy: 1:40:07

it's not the best language but no it's not. Yeah.

Jaime: 1:40:10

Flammable and inflammable, same thing.

Roy: 1:40:13

Yeah. Why?

Jaime: 1:40:14

Why English? Probably somebody who has English as their second language has died in a fire because of that very, at some point in history, I would assume.

Roy: 1:40:24

Yeah. Actually, I think I did hear about why this was the case. I think. It was inflammable. But then some people were misconstruing it to mean, not flammable. And then they were like, Well, we, we should just call it flammable. And now it's just both. It's just both.

Jaime: 1:40:45

Yeah, here's some of that random stuff that we're missing.

Roy: 1:40:53

Yeah, so it's been, it's been cool for Zen Academy. I'm gonna do like a weekly ama or q&a in the discord for

Jaime: 1:41:01

probably the discord channel. I spend the most time in at this point.

Roy: 1:41:04

I love to hear that. That's cool. Yeah. Yeah. But

Jaime: 1:41:08

it's, there's a lot to it. So I need to explore more of it. I'm mostly in the two board Apps section. And then when I'm kind of just looking for specific information about a subject that I don't think Twitter is the best place for me to just broadcast to. I'll kind of search for the the sub channel within Zen Academy and go hey, I'm, I'm thinking about some sad stuff. What do you what do you said heads in here? Yeah.

Roy: 1:41:32

I think one of the issues is that there are so many channels over 100 is a lot. Um, you know, I held a vote a couple of days ago, asking the community, do you think there's too many or do things just fine. And you know, it was split 651 to 708, train, fine, and too many. But what I learned is that there are a bunch of cool things you can do to like, clean up your discord. You can mute channels or entire categories. And basically, they won't show us

Jaime: 1:42:01

what it won't even show up on the as you're scrolling down. Exactly. That's interesting. So you can just know about that really

Roy: 1:42:09

contract to just the stuff that you're interested in. And then if you want, you can go hunting for the other stuff. But it's like, instead of having to scroll through, you know, it is true. I think it's pretty much instead of having to scroll through everything, you can just say hey, I'm interested in you know, alpha, I'm interested in tree board apes. I'm interested in the tax channel, I guess. And one of one ah, and the poker room. And then you know, maybe a couple of projects that you're in Roberto's and eponyms and crypto does and then that's yeah, like you can basically curate you just go to experience so I'm probably going to create a guide on like, how to do that and learn myself how to do that and yeah, make that should

Jaime: 1:42:50

reverse the order. Learn how to do it first.

Roy: 1:42:53

Yeah. Yeah, that's the plan. Cool. Cool.

Jaime: 1:42:59

I actually like kind of a game changer for discord. I wish I knew that earlier.

Roy: 1:43:04

I know. Yeah. I mean, that ends like folders for cleaning up the discord you're in.

Jaime: 1:43:09

Oh, yeah. I've already done the folder thing a little bit. Yeah.

Roy: 1:43:14

But yeah, muting channels and muting categories. Brilliant. All right. This has been episode sixteen?

Jaime: 1:43:25

projects. theme song for this one doing our stuff.

Roy: 1:43:33

Alright, thanks for listening. Bye.

Intro: 1:43:37

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh