Episode 19 - Hopefully You Enjoy the Random Stuff

Jamie: 0:00

The hosts of Two Bored Apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice. This week on Two Bored Apes. We talked about a couple big NFT art sales. We talked about the winner of the wolf game clones. We talked about the pumpkin fighting. We talked about how Apple will not allow us to play the Bored Ape Yatch Club vs Mutant Apes Yatch Club mobile game. We talked about various artblocks projects, old, current and upcoming. And then we kind of get off topic talking about our own projects at the end.

Intro: 0:38

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jamie: 0:56

Welcome to Episode 19 of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jamie and I'm here with my friend and yawning co host, Roy. Roy aside from tired how are you?

Roy: 1:06

You said yawning and I yawn again... Yeah, I'm excellent. I'm great. I'm buzzing I've got energy. I've got my good to go. No, I'm gonna will myself into this buzzbait let's do this. Okay, I'm great. How are you?

Jamie: 1:21

I'm good. Not great, but good.

Roy: 1:24

Ah, maybe you should have coffee.

Jamie: 1:27

I had one a little while ago. I guess I'm great. I mean, I've nothing there's nothing wrong whatsoever. But yeah, great. Just seemed aggressive right now. Um, we have a lot to get through. So let's get into it. Let's start with our usual first news of the week. Where do you want to start there's a lot let's want to start from what just happened and go backwards?

Roy: 1:48

Yeah, let's do that.

Jamie: 1:50

Just mere moments ago X copy sold his most famous piece I would say or Okay, let me let me start again. X copies most famous piece resold because he did not sell it. It resold to Cosmo David deechi for 1600 eth the pieces called right click save as guy It's famous. A lot of a lot of our listeners have surely seen it. And it's it's a fun piece that basically just pokes fun at people who suggest that you can just right click save NFTs. 1600 eth that is the fourth biggest ever NFT artwork sale.

Roy: 2:25

But is what current eth prices like seven millions? Yeah, yeah. Do we know what the three other ones were?

Jamie: 2:35

The biggest would have the beeple 5000 days. Oh, yeah. Six, and then maybe the goose and the gold fidenza?

Roy: 2:45

Yeah, I think the goose was also a 1600 Or maybe it was 1800. And then the golden fidenza was Yeah. 3500 I think 2500 I had my mind, but either way. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty easy. 100 for like, one on one. Just? Yeah, it's just so crazy. But it's awesome as well. Yeah.

Jamie: 3:07

And speaking of large NFT yard sales, we have another piece of news of the week the backdrop. You want to just get ready. We touched on it briefly, in our previous episode, the Twitter q&a, cuz somebody asked about it, we still don't know much about it, which is kind of amazing. Yeah, it's almost like xe at this point, how little we know about Pak and how relevant Pak is, but

Roy: 3:29

it's crazy. There's just so much happening in the NFT space all the time. It's just you can't know, like, even big, big things and people like, like Pak and Axie it's just like,

Jamie: 3:41

yeah, which are, like, arguably the biggest in whatever little segment of the NFT space they're in. I mean, I guess Axie is unquestionably the biggest in its market. Yeah, gaming. And Pak is, I guess also the biggest really because 92 million I believe.

Roy: 4:01

Yeah, it's crazy. So much money for one on an NFT sale.

Jamie: 4:05

266,000 tokens. So crazy. That's so many for $92 million dollars. So Pak is sort of a conceptual artists. Is that fair to say?

Roy: 4:16

Yeah, I would say so. A Yeah. conceptualize. We don't actually know.

Jamie: 4:21

Did the Cubs, Did the Lost Poets...

Roy: 4:25

they like anonymous as well. So we don't know anything about them. For all we know, it's a group of people. It's not necessarily one person. It's yet it's very mysterious. A lot of mystery surrounding pak and the body of work, I think. Yeah. But you know, trying new things, always doing new things with this. This drop called merge. It does have a new mechanic where if you buy one on the secondary market, and you have one in your wallet, the two merged together and it just like gets larger and That's just a cool thing, I guess. And he's adding other interesting elements to it or revealing interesting elements that he had already added or they had already added. Ah, yeah. And I guess

Jamie: 5:11

I saw, I saw someone on Twitter had made like a three rendering of every single token. So you could kind of just see them all and their relative sizes and stuff, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, that's interesting. I'm also I'm looking at an article here and it looks like I think it would be the third largest ever art sale by a living creator. I mean, it kind of depends on how you measure these things. But Jasper Jones sold a piece reportedly for 110 million in 2010. And Damien Hirst had a$200 million auction in 2008.

Roy: 5:51

Wow. I mean, anyway, call it it's just it's a ludicrous amount of money.

Jamie: 5:56

Yeah. 92 million is is amazing. Yeah.

Roy: 6:02

Good for him. Good, full.

Jamie: 6:04

I mean, that's bigger than the entirety of the mutant cell, right? That was just 90 million from what I remember.

Roy: 6:10

Yeah. Yeah. It was just under 3000, eth, I guess. $3,000 per eth? or there abouts? Yeah, it's so crazy. But you know, a lot of people, I guess, think that it's probably most people buying it or buying it. In part for the investment value, we think it'll be worth more in the future.

Jamie: 6:35

Yeah, I mean, the artist also seems, again, you know, they're very conceptual artists. So I think it's just when an artist becomes big enough, it's just kind of fun or interesting or culturally relevant to own their stuff. But then when they're also doing something that is genuinely unique and experimental and different, it can kind of take that up another level. So it almost seems like the kind of thing that just as NFT fans, we should be buying just to own it. But I just happens to be a blind spot for both of us pretty much where every, what 10 weeks or something we're like up packed in another couple of The Last Poets, right?

Roy: 7:17

I got a couple of the last pages. I haven't done anything with them, I think, in turn, which

Jamie: 7:22

is related to the loss of poets in some way that I do not understand. Yeah,

Roy: 7:25

I actually I didn't buy any of the merge myself. But I put three eth into this thing called merge Dao, where they just bought a enormous amount. I think they're one of the top five holders of it. And I've literally not checked in since I did it, this would have been like a week ago. I don't know if I have to, if I get some tokens if I own I don't know how it works. But I wanted some exposure to the project. Because it was like enough is enough. Pac is everywhere. He's always, you know, anyone who invested it in. They sorry, my brain is bad at things. They have always basically created value and made money for anyone who's you know, supported them and bought early. And I was like, alright, let's just I want some more exposure.

Jamie: 8:15

You think this counter is early at this point?

Roy: 8:18

I mean, probably still. Yeah.

Jamie: 8:22

Interesting. They did. It's just the third biggest ever art sell by living artists and you like it's still early for that. It's really, I guess, I guess we won't know until the future. Like if if NFT's

Roy: 8:35

and NFT art is still a thing in 10 years, which I think it will be. And if Pak is still. I mean, it doesn't even matter. I think if they're still, you know, releasing out in 10 years, they've just cemented themselves as a

Jamie: 8:49

Yeah, arguably be better if they're not

Roy: 8:51

exactly yeah. So yeah, I mean, I think it's got a drill, but

Jamie: 8:58

who knows? Really? That is a lot of like, units of the and 66,000 of them. Yeah, yeah. That is that is a big supply for her. Yeah, that's I think more than all of our pots maybe I can't remember the last time I knew the number.

Roy: 9:14

Sounds like it would be more of up looks. Yeah. Well, it all up looks. And actually thing. Yeah, that is crazy. An interesting thing is that the old still kind of quote unquote, locked up in Nifty gateway. So like, you bolt them on nifty gateway. And then I think there's like some sort of bridging process or unlocking process to get them to get full custody of them. So no one's actually traded them on the secondary market yet, so we don't know if we haven't seen yet what they're trading for. If people it seems like people are gonna want to trade because there's this inherent game aspect of this utility or this thing where they merge and you can get bigger ones and it sort of incentivizes trading. Yeah.

Jamie: 10:01

Do you want to move on to we have like to do something else. I just I wrote down that the wizard dragon game emerged as the biggest and most popular by far of the wolf game clones that seemed relevant as the wolf game was our basically our news of the week, what Two episodes ago? Yeah. And there was like an infinite number of clones, and it was not clear. What would emerge or if one would emerge as a top dog, but this one certainly has.

Roy: 10:32

It definitely appears. So I, I did not get involved with it. I missed it.

Jamie: 10:37

I did not I'm seeing a decent amount of people tweeting about it. But it's like it's crushing all the other ones in volume. And it actually works, which is nice.

Roy: 10:46

It's crazy. How many there were that also had exploits?

Jamie: 10:52

I mean, you haven't seen this one seemed to have copied the code, largely, but then really cleaned it up as well.

Roy: 10:59

And they added a few different mechanics, apparently. Yeah. Uh, actually, I read some I don't know if there's a tweet or something in discord earlier today. Someone was talking about how the the wizards and Dragons Team and now talking about, like, turning the game into like a rune scape style game that does the next evolution, which sounds very cool. That is how that would work. Yeah,

Jamie: 11:21

there's also sort of a lot of kind of big NFT communities that have NFT's that could be like interoperable with a game like that. I'm thinking specifically of like loot and the rune wizards. Yeah. It's gonna be really interesting as time goes on to see not necessarily the pure merging of NFT projects, but the real connections that they make and, and interactivity that they that they enable,

Roy: 11:51

especially with these, like these CCO ones, whether they're like in the public domain, and anyone can build off them, like loot IMM, I'm sure blit maps, cryptoads, and maybe runes and nouns. Yeah.

Jamie: 12:09

This is not exactly CCO. But the, one of the members of the cool cats team was just tweeting about how, yeah, for I think it was the milk token or the game and pets mechanics, I can't remember exactly which one, but they were talking about how they specifically are programming, it's such that it is something that other people will be able to kind of attach to, and, you know, add utility or value, but also kind of get something back from it, just in terms of of having it not be that walled garden that that were sort of trying to get away from with all this stuff.

Roy: 12:45

Yeah, so that was extreme Tom, who I think is like the lead Dev. Ah, yeah, he basically just said, we're going to make it interoperable and allow it to be you know, used with other communities. And he actually said he tweeted a wolf game and said, maybe you have a side story think would be amazing for some custom quits quests to integrate. So it's like, very, very cool. The possibilities. He mentioned. Tom did in his initial tweet. Maybe you want to use the milk forward slash gold token? For Coolcat style. Do you know what the gold token is?

Jamie: 13:21

Um, well, the loot coin was called Advanced Adventure gold. Yeah. Possible. It's that but I don't know. Maybe if maybe that was like a subtle leak of something else. Yeah, um, within the cool catch thing. I guess we'll learn more soon.

Roy: 13:38

How much you know about the pets for the cool cats project.

Jamie: 13:41

I know that they look fucking cute as hell. Yeah. And there's like eggs involved? And I know that they've been kind of gifting a whitelist or whatever spots to various communities 75 or 200 or whatever, to all sorts of different communities. But that's about it. Whoa,

Roy: 14:05

I just went to the cool cats website is cool.

Jamie: 14:09

Haha, it's funny. No, but

Roy: 14:11

like, is also I haven't been there in ages. And I'd seen like, screenshots of

Jamie: 14:18

I guess I have not either. Oh, wow. Yeah. It's like this little town.

Roy: 14:21

You can click on all the little buildings. It opens up. It's almost like a game. Click on your cats. Yeah, I think I'm gonna buy another cool cat. Um,

Jamie: 14:37

I really wish I did not sell my other one. That's one of my great regrets. Yeah, of many. This was selling out one. Yeah. I still got one though. Which I'm happy about. Yeah, this is a cool website. It is.

Roy: 14:53

Anyway, yeah. Cool project. Cool Cats. It's yeah, it'll be interesting.

Jamie: 14:59

I think that we are done with news of the week at this point, but I feel like there's still a little bit more.

Roy: 15:05

Yeah. So there was some big Senate hearing in the US House hearing what exactly is

Jamie: 15:11

the House? The House Financial Services Committee, I believe is technically the group that had this on crypto. I was actually thinking of the other thing, the news about, but yeah, we can talk about that too. Just today. The US, again, House Financial Services Committee had a hearing about I'm not sure if hearing is the right word, but whatever meeting about crypto, and they had the FTX CEO guy I can't think of his name was sad. Sam with a disheveled hair. Yeah.

Roy: 15:44

Did you see his shoes?

Jamie: 15:46

I did see that. That was funny. Um, and I did not watch it. I saw the funny clip about mongoose coin that's been going around on Twitter. But I did see that a lot of people tweeting about it, were saying that the general sentiment of it was significantly better than probably a lot of us fear, which is great. And I also saw that one person specifically brought up stable coins, Visa V, the fact that they are pegged to the US dollar being good for the US dollar keeping its reserve currency status in the world. Whereas in general, a lot of the fear from the United States would be that crypto threatens the reserve status. And this is something that I had read a tweet about, maybe two months ago or something at this point. And thought it was a really interesting point. And and I remember talking about it on this podcast. So it's interesting also, to see this representative, kind of having that same sentiment and bringing it up at this very sort of important meeting about it.

Roy: 16:50

Do you know what that means? Like arm is that it doesn't matter. Right arm is still going to keep doing its thing and trying to consume.

Jamie: 16:59

I don't see how matter at all. Yeah. I barely know why you're asking that. Just because they're trying to be the reserve currency for crypto. You mean, right? Yeah.

Roy: 17:08

They like no, I

Jamie: 17:09

don't. I don't think that's a concern. Really.

Roy: 17:12

It's not like the US is gonna figure out some way to come up with regulation to be bad for home. Or,

Jamie: 17:17

oh, they for sure could. But they can't but not because they're using the word reserve or whatever. Yeah.

Roy: 17:25

Was there any other news out of that hearing that you're aware of?

Jamie: 17:28

Um, no, the Mongoose coin joke that the stable coin thing specifically and then just the overall kind of bullishness of it. Yeah, that's pretty much all I had.

Roy: 17:39

Alright. And then the last thing we have for news the week is, like the, I guess, the father around the punks, and just generally has

Jamie: 17:48

been dipping a lot. Whereas the overall NFT market has been kind of going more sideways.

Roy: 17:54

Yeah, I think punks finally went up again today. Yeah, they

Jamie: 17:57

did a little bit. They got all the way down to 65. Yeah. And they had the the ape to punk ratio was at its highest ever in terms of floor prices. But just to get into the specifics of kind of the FUD. 4156, who's a famous Punk in a punk, which is maybe confusing for some people. But one of the traits of punks is that some of them are apes. I guess the people that are listening, it's probably not that confusing for most of them. No, but anyway, I'm just one of the most famous punks. I believe they're the creator of the announced out or or one of the creators of it. And they've been sort of pushing for larva labs to kind of give more of the IP back to the holders and all that, that sort of openness that larva labs doesn't really do. And so 4156 sold all of their punks, except for 4156. And that, that had the price dropping pretty drastically. But also you just had a lot of punks on Twitter, kind of talking about it. And arguing whether or not lava labs owed people anything whether they should do something and you just I felt like you saw the punks community kind of have a little bit of that anxiety that you don't really see from them because normally they're so feeling so secure in their cop spot but but I was I was reading into a lot of what I saw on Twitter on them feeling uneasy, and and the price kind of the price action showed that as well. Yeah.

Roy: 19:38

I didn't realize he sold all of his punks. Except

Jamie: 19:41

every single one except for 4156.

Roy: 19:44

Yeah. Which is I mean, he had a lot of parks. He did pretty sure Yeah. Hmm. Well, I'm glad I didn't buy punk like two weeks ago, which I was kind of thinking of doing. Um, I mean, yeah, I guess All of this. It's sort of not just punk fad, but Well, I guess it is. But it's like people comparing it to apes a lot and, and other projects. But

Jamie: 20:11

amser funks is another one that seems to really we kind of just impacting the way that people view punks and is becoming sort of more legitimate to a lot of people in NFT space than most people ever thought they would.

Roy: 20:28

Yeah, like Vincent fender changed his profile picture to a funk. And he's Yeah, always going on about about it and what it represents and all that.

Jamie: 20:38

Yeah. And he actually minted some punks when they were like, you know, he's an OG as well as seeming to have emerged recently. I saw him tweet that. I guess he's been around. I mean, you know, if you look at his wallet, he Yeah, is what some would call it. Twitter profile. It says like purveyor of shady coins and art or whatever, but I guess he's been involved in even NF T stuff for a lot longer than a lot of us realized. Yeah.

Roy: 21:09

funks, for those who aren't aware is it's like, spelled p h u n Ks. And basically, it's a perfect project. And all the they did is they took the 10,000 Crypto punks, and then flip them horizontally. So it's just like instead of facing left to right, the punks facing right to left and then they just sold released them. I don't know if it was free, or if it was a

Jamie: 21:33

store. So I know one mint. Yeah, correctly. And then they were not particularly popular. But then open see got a DMCA notice, I think from larva labs itself. I think so. Either that or enough owners of punks complained sort of on their behalf or whatever. So open sea took it down. And basically everybody forgot about them. And then some people who owned funks. I think, Franklin, the the gold ape, if I'm not mistaken, was involved. But But I don't want to say that for sure. Because I'm not, I'm not sure made a website called not larva labs that basically is like very much like the larval apps website, except for funks instead of punks. And so even though they got taken down from open sea, they were finally became another trading platform. And when that came out, the prices all just skyrocketed.

Roy: 22:28

Yeah. And there was a lot of discussion, somewhat heated back and forth between people who were against this whole idea and said that it's just, you know, copyright theft, and just low effort and all that kind of stuff. And then on the other side, people were standing up about standing up for the funks and saying, you know, this is decentralized, you shouldn't let open sea, take it down the market, you can decide what things are worth and what they're not, and

Jamie: 22:54

all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I thought they were kind of stupid, but fine. And then sort of interesting. Lee, they became much more interesting and relevant and not stupid, just by the nature of larva labs and or the punk owners and open seas stomping on them. Yeah. And then furthermore, by them actually just gone. You know, let's build our own thing. Yeah. Because we can, you know, and then so they made their own website and marketplace for them.

Roy: 23:30

I don't think anyone would really be talking about them, or if they would be valuable if open. No,

Jamie: 23:35

yes. I would go so far as to say definitely not. Yeah. Which is kind of just interesting in and sort of instructive of what, what the space does and stuff, I think. Yeah.

Roy: 23:50

All right. I think that should be a news of the week segment. Right?

Jamie: 23:53

Yeah, that's that pretty much covers and I could probably go on further about a few of these, but we don't need to. Alright, news of the week. board a got what do you want to talk about? First? The sadness, the Tim Cook news?

Roy: 24:13

Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah.

Jamie: 24:16

So we were all excited about this mobile game. Very, very excited for it. I was very excited for it as well. It was supposed to come out. I don't know at this point. Five days ago or something. Yeah, the weekend. I can't remember exactly

Roy: 24:32

at this point. But anyway, it's those dates anyway. Yeah. under two

Jamie: 24:36

hours before it was meant to be live. You know, we had already gotten passwords and all sorts of stuff, emails, confirmed our wallets, blah, blah, blah, to kind of get access to it. Word came out from Google Apps that Apple had pulled it from the iOS App Store and gave them no information whatsoever. As to why Yeah,

Roy: 25:01

they said they got robbed by Apple. You know, apparently it had already been approved, you know, the test version and the version that we're all gonna play. And then just just before it was meant to go be playable by everyone, they were like, just Nope. Taken down. Yeah. And

Jamie: 25:16

you know, it's funny, one of my wife's least favorite traits about me is that I have an Android phone, seven iPhone. And whenever people try to make fun of it, I literally always just say, well, if I want to download an app, I don't, I don't want to have to ask Tim Cook for permission. That's basically, and I have a lot of qualms with them about their apps or policy. But that's sort of the simplified, humorous way I say, you know, in such a specifically relevant to, to me way that has come up again, you know, what I would love to see, and this will never ever happen is for yoga labs to just go fuck it and let, let it happen and go, Okay, if you have an Android you can play if you have an apple can't play cuz you're you. You are under the thumb of a piece of shit. Corporation, that's not going to let you you're gonna watch. I'm also I have an iPad for five days. Yeah. But it's almost cousins. They're terrible apps or policies.

Roy: 26:14

But wait, why? Why is it because of the,

Jamie: 26:17

the the? Well, it's, it's more about their monopoly that they have with it. But anyway, there's an AR app that is only available for iOS that is far superior to the one that I've been using to create art. And I just capitulated because because I want to use this app. Yeah. And so I got an iPad for it, which is a bummer, because I do like railing against shitty they are,

Roy: 26:42

it's a lot harder to do when you just spend $1,000 or whatever, on an iPad. Yeah,

Jamie: 26:45

it really is. And I thought it would be unreasonable of me to not also point that out. Yeah.

Roy: 26:54

Hopefully we get to play in the next week or so. I guess it depends. I think

Jamie: 27:00

somebody said, though, that like, you should not at all think that you will. Like it's sort of postponed indefinitely, almost at this point.

Roy: 27:09

Wow. That's a bummer. But, you know, what are you gonna do? Yeah,

Jamie: 27:13

I mean, that they have had already a pretty strong anti crypto stance. In terms of the app store. I did see an interview with or part of an interview with Tim Cook on CNBC it maybe a month and a half ago or something where he said that he there's validity in crypto and he owns some bitcoin and Ethereum. But they're, they're very reluctant to have any sort of apps in the App Store that interact with it kind of directly. Yeah, because it's sort of just a way to circumvent their 30% fee that they take on every single transaction within an app.

Roy: 27:53

Yeah, that's that makes sense. When, when decentralized phone apps was,

Jamie: 28:00

yeah, I saw a couple people joking. That like, right, when the news hit that, that Apple was not allowing it, that, you know, 2021 we've got apple, but in 2026, or whatever, we'll have banana, the the giant tech company that emerges from Yeah, Yacht Club, and we can just use the banana phone.

Roy: 28:21

I mean, that's not that unrealistic.

Jamie: 28:24

It's pretty unrealistic late, but it but it is definitely not the most unrealistic thing. Yeah. Yeah, for its let's be clear, it is pretty unreal.

Roy: 28:35

Maybe 2036.

Jamie: 28:37

All right, how much a huge, profitable company. It's, it's really little Chris. Yeah. All right. Oh, I like that AirPods graph I've showed you before. I don't know if you remember that one.

Roy: 28:50

Something. Remind me again, like the egg, it's basically showing

Jamie: 28:55

you the revenue of giant giant companies. And then And then instead of an entire company, just the revenue from air pods, and like, the size and prestige of these companies that do less revenue than just the air pods is insane. And so crazy. I also remember, you know, sort of a bigger version of that, but not in a graphical form. If the iPhone itself, not even the App Store that that comes with it and literally no other Apple product. The iPhone alone would be like the third biggest company in the whole world. So crazy. Yeah, it's it's insane. And then you add on top of that, you know, everything else the iPads, you know, wobble wine on anyway. Anyway, we had Apple that's the shitty Apple or APR club mutiny. Yacht Club, mobile game news.

Roy: 29:45

Yep. It wasn't true much else. I think going on this week.

Jamie: 29:51

know somebody did just buy up nine floor apes today which Yeah, you know nine is not a ton for a floor sweep but have an It certainly is because they're so dang expensive at this point.

Roy: 30:03

Yeah, that's like 450 to 500 eth.

Jamie: 30:07

We're also getting closer to whatever is coming. Like whatever's coming up next on the roadmap 2.0 Because there's so many things, and I think we were specifically told that the coin ought to be in q1 of 2022. Yep. Um, so we're definitely inching closer to that.

Roy: 30:26

Yeah, this is more and more speculation on on Twitter and just by people about what it might look like in terms of how they'll distribute it. Will it be an airdrop to everyone who has an ape, any ape thing in the system? Will it depend on how long you've held it? All these kinds of things?

Jamie: 30:44

Yeah, track trait rarity. I heard I saw someone arguing that trait rarity should give you more tokens, which I don't think I saw one person that created with them. Even people that have very rare rapes.

Roy: 30:56

Interesting. I actually don't necessarily disagree with that. Like, yeah, why is that? Well, because the price of like, if you tie the utility in strictly with just the ownership, it devalues the more rare ones basically. And I think that it would be nice if projects it did way does not

Jamie: 31:18

it does not. It just only increases it by the same amount as I Florrie

Roy: 31:22

Sure so relatively devalues them then.

Jamie: 31:26

And and every single thing that they ever do should only continue to grow the difference between the floor and a ceiling. One you think?

Roy: 31:34

No, I mean, they can, you know, for just as a for

Jamie: 31:37

instance, the the mute in serum further increased it. Right. I've done that. And then like if you look at the dogs, the dogs was neutral rarity. So they have done both. Yeah, I mean, they haven't done anything that has specifically advantage the floor ones. That would be kind of wild.

Roy: 31:59

Yeah. I mean, I mean, most projects don't do anything. Like if it's an airdrop or if it's something if for any holders, it's the same whether you earn a rare one or a flaw. One

Jamie: 32:09

other thing I saw was somebody I'm sorry, do you want to keep going? No, no, that was basically someone else was basically trying to argue that anyone that's ever owned an eight could get some of it. And that seemed ridiculous to me as well. That one

Roy: 32:23

seems a little more ridiculous. Yeah. Anyway, I guess they're

Jamie: 32:28

like, why should somebody who just bought one benefit from this when I diamond handed mine for five months? Like what why am I not getting rewarded for that? I'm like, You got a reward if you sold a ton of money? Yeah, that was your reward,

Roy: 32:43

huh? Yeah, that one's crazy. Anyway, it'll be exciting. It's, it's it's so exciting. It's really, you know?

Jamie: 32:53

Yeah. The possibilities are huge. You know, my main thing still is that I think it's going to relate almost entirely to the blockchain game. But I did also see people talking about, maybe they're going to make and then there's like the Dow, but people talking about them making their own marketplace and Mmm, hmm. I'm not sure that they will. But it seems possible, although I think they are specifically, excuse me, partnering with Coinbase. And maybe that would be a bad look to do that. And then also release your own. Yeah, I'm not sure. I would be. But I already know. Yeah. It would be nice, I think, for them to either collect the fee themselves or to just not have it go to Open see, you know, yeah, they get rid of it entirely. I don't see why they would do that. But they could they could make their own marketplace and lower it that would be compelling.

Roy: 33:53

Yeah. I think we are going to see more competitors for open sea come out in the next few months, whether it's projects themselves creating their own one or just, you know, other open sea competitors.

Jamie: 34:05

Yeah, at UGA has been sort of so successful in my eyes at at just building and executing that I could see that make. Theoretically, I don't I don't think that they will but making a full fledged marketplace, not just for

Roy: 34:20

apes. Yeah. And they'll probably get a lot of support just because you could call it the yacht

Jamie: 34:25

club or something. Who knows? Yeah. Anyway, I think that's all we had, right?

Roy: 34:34

I think so. The Yes, religion

Jamie: 34:38

club, buddy. All right, talk to me about our blocks. I like up blocks. I will be more specific about what's been happening with our blocks recently. Yeah, so

Roy: 34:57

there was a curated drop. That happened a few days ago gazes by Matt Cain. And gazers

Jamie: 35:05

geysers that are I couldn't hear it very well.

Roy: 35:07

G A Zers. Games Zed era. Here we go. It's a Yeah, I mean, it was a drop that sold at, I think the lowest level of the Dutch auction or one of the lowest loans of 25 thing and has subsequently rocketed to a floor of almost three eth, which is

Jamie: 35:33

Yeah, I think it got above for a second. And right now it's like 2.9.

Roy: 35:36

Yeah. And we both skipped it. And I am blaming you for that. So explain yourself, Jamie.

Jamie: 35:47

I don't know how you can possibly be doing that. I actually, am not sure why I missed out on it. I think I actually was doing a thing. But I looked at them in the aftermarket. And found one. That was the second cheapest one that I quite liked. It was one the floor was about point six, five. And it got bought right out from under my eyes. And then I just kind of sadly watched the floor go up since then. And I'm still gazer lists. I'm literally gazing at the floor going up. And at the project, I'm gonna probably try to trade into one, I added it to my list of things in the in my message that I send once a day in the art blocks trade listings. Channel, so I would like one with specifically one with a circular moon in the middle. But do you want to let's maybe just talk about the project rather than the fact that we missed it yet. By the way, have you bought one on the secondary yet?

Roy: 36:47

No, I'm scrolling through them now. And I mean, it just doesn't appeal to me. So Oh, really? And yeah, it's just a project that that was a big reason of why I skipped it. I saw a couple of previews and I was like, I thought

Jamie: 37:00

the reason you skipped it was because something something my fault.

Roy: 37:03

That's a big part of it. I mean, honestly,

Jamie: 37:06

I actually quite like um, yeah, the circle ones specifically, I like the diamond shaped ones do not really do it for me, or I guess there's some other shapes like hexagons and stuff too. But I do like the circle ones kind of a lot. Yeah,

Roy: 37:21

I mean, I'm sure if I if I keep scrolling through look at it. And you know, they would grow on me, just as almost every upload project

Jamie: 37:27

reminds me a little bit of Genesis, in terms of the sort of texture and color to it. And also a little bit with 720 minutes in the way it has kind of a a modicum of real life utility. Yeah, so So what this one does is it's tracking the phases of the moon. So when you're looking at it, you're seeing whatever, basically the Moon is at that time, in in whatever, there's a hemisphere trait. So they'll have northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere. But, you know, if it's a crescent moon or a half moon or a full moon, that will be represented within the NFT.

Roy: 38:10

Yeah, that that part is very cool. And

Jamie: 38:14

I think it's, it's quite interesting. It's also a, it's weird, because like, you know, I don't need my 720 minutes to tell me what time it is. And I don't need the gazers to show me what the face of the moon is. But it is a sort of, it's just, it's kind of an added layer to it, and is leaning a little bit too in my mind into what the difference can be in this generative art stuff, versus traditional art and what kinds of things you can do to it, while still having it be art. I don't know, it's quite interesting to me. And if it's like a sort of, kind of classier, or more interesting way to to have that kind of information.

Roy: 39:11

Yeah, I mean, it's just cool as well, like, the 720 minutes. It's just like, that's, you know, it's just cool and different and interesting. And, you know, it's a bit of a luxury item as well to have you know, to show it off and have that clout and have it on your desk and look on and stuff Yeah,

Jamie: 39:31

I have been staring at the same gazer since we started this thing. Which one just whatever one popped up randomly.

Roy: 39:42

Yeah, I've been scrolling through them all and some of them are kind of growing on me but um, yeah, I

Unknown: 39:49

feel

Roy: 39:51

a little more vindicated for not minting because

Jamie: 39:53

I'm I'm hoping for a pullback in the price. Yeah, I

Roy: 39:57

mean, if they drop again to like 1/8 I will probably just I want to get one, pick one up. And had I been like paying attention during the drop and saw that it dropped to like point two, five. Of course, I would have meant it because you know, any curated at that price. It's it just it's a no brainer. But to me Yeah. But I just think in general the the floor for curator was higher than that. If you add in the the chance of a project doing well and be Have you minting, you know, a very rare one that you could potentially say 2020. The expected value it

Jamie: 40:30

would be hard to argue. Yeah, that it would be a poor financial decision, given the information about artbox. Curator at the time. You're not wrong. Yeah.

Roy: 40:39

Um, but yeah, no, I sort of so quickly looked at it. I was like, it didn't really appeal to me. And I was busy. Distracted. And yeah, I just skipped it. I guess you were busy slash distracted too. Yep. All right. Let's gazers does a user's another curated drop coming up. This coming Monday, I believe vortex by Jen stock. Yep, these look cool to me.

Jamie: 41:08

Not a member of how Stark but as far as we're aware, well, that was a fictional thing. As far as yet, it's the most obvious comparison for it would be in spirals. But it definitely has significantly more significantly more variety than in spirals, it seems

Roy: 41:33

that they like funky like psychedelic trippy, very colorful, very wavy, and some of them have a bit of like that apparitions thing going on with these like thin lines that you blend together almost. But it's

Jamie: 41:51

basically an animated sort of three dimensional thing where you're going through some sort of a vortex or a tube. And, and from the preview video, we've seen there sort of a lot of different textures and color schemes and stuff like whatever you order the vortex to be. And it also seemed like it's interactive, because it seemed like there was a cursor. That was kind of changing the angle from which you were approaching the vortex.

Roy: 42:24

Oh, yeah, I've seen that. No, that is cool. I will probably keep an eye on and try to mint. If it gets low enough. You had

Jamie: 42:33

a hell of a run there. minting curator projects. I didn't even specifically know that until you tweeted.

Roy: 42:38

Yeah. 20 in a row. I think it's amazing. And then I missed a semicolon, but and now I'm just holding to skip them

Jamie: 42:46

all the time, apparently.

Roy: 42:48

Yeah. Um,

Jamie: 42:51

or just,

Roy: 42:53

I did skip a couple. Ah, Tamika. Yeah, I love those so much. And I'm, I'm better on three of them today. Yeah. I'm thankful that the market seems to not love them as much because I can. Every now and then I'll go and check the full price. They'll be one that's like, under point three. And I'd be like, Ooh, I like that one. And I'll just get it added to my collection. Yeah, I'm drop happening tomorrow. So probably after this recording comes out. Well, yeah. It's on paths by Darren reader. Who is the artist that

Unknown: 43:28

even I'm sure this comes out.

Roy: 43:31

Yes, yes. The drop will happen will have already happened by the time you look right. You said the exact opposite of that though. Well, I'm glad you picked me up on that then. Ah, yeah, anyway, paths by Darren Brito who released pigments the curator drop, which is it safe to say it's one of your favorite?

Unknown: 43:48

It's very nice to say yeah, fan.

Roy: 43:52

And these look amazing as well. I think they do

Jamie: 43:55

I've only seen the artists man you said you looked at a little bit more in the artists channel on our parks discord.

Roy: 44:02

Yeah. That he's he's dropped I think like four or five videos of some Testaments. And they they just look awesome, unlike anything else up looks different varied. right up my alley, like space themed and

Jamie: 44:21

we desperately need some good digital frame ways. You know what is another thing that we could bring up that we actually don't even have listed here is is the the thing that they had an art basil or basil, the holographic announced the holographic thing. That's one of them. But I meant just in general the different ways that they were displaying it and how successful it seemed to be. The holographic squiggle is one but I also found the centuries looked great as well, which is not a project that I usually care much about.

Roy: 44:56

I don't think I sold that how they displayed

Jamie: 44:59

it Basically they had a circular electronic display. So all that you saw was the oh, well,

Roy: 45:08

I mean, boy now he Yeah, like, like club faces almost.

Jamie: 45:12

Yeah. Digital. Yeah. Look that's awesome.

Roy: 45:16

Yeah that those are ones I've been eyeing them quite a bit on secondary hoping that they drop more than they do

Jamie: 45:24

yeah I've put in a lot of offers on NFT five forum but nothing yet

Roy: 45:29

it's so crazy how prices have come down like 90% in a lot of cases 70% For most curated things and they still seem like expensive to me just because if you were here in like May June I thought it's like they were so cheap, like most curated was under 1/8 floors and then just to see them at like one to two eth especially with eth twice what it is it's like oh, that's just a little bit expensive. Um, yeah eth is just doesn't

Jamie: 46:00

lately consistently higher than we've basically ever seen it.

Unknown: 46:05

Yeah. Oh, that's

Jamie: 46:07

funny because like what set six days ago? It crashed pretty hard.

Roy: 46:12

But he had labored Sony ads 30% Drop. Yeah.

Jamie: 46:16

But even even after that drop, it was quite a bit higher than it was for most of our time in our blocks.

Roy: 46:21

You like it crashed to 3600 for like, a split second. And yet most of our time up look in our blocks were like they're between what 17 120 500 Yeah,

Jamie: 46:34

something like that, I would say about right.

Roy: 46:38

So that there's a an auction for 10 unmetered squiggles. Do you know much about that?

Jamie: 46:43

Beyond what you just said? No, I think it's maybe under that like Sotheby's Metaverse, umbrella or something. I don't even know that for sure. But yeah, snow fro the creator of this squiggle and the founder of of art box. You know, the squiggle project is technically paused at all times rather than finished like most other projects, and so sparingly. Snow fro will mint new squiggles. And this is an instance where there he's doing that, and there's a big charity component to this option. I know. And I think it ends in like five days or something like that. But aside from that, I don't really know much about our at all.

Roy: 47:29

Yeah, I mean, that was more than I know about it. It it seems cool. Uh, very rarely. I mean, like, never does anyone or has anyone since a pause minting, as far as I'm aware had the opportunity to buy 10 unvented squiggles

Jamie: 47:44

and he's done one per episode of after dinner mints. And then like just a couple sort of random one offs to other people is

Roy: 47:55

Yeah, although there was there was a after dinner mints for the one year anniversary they gave out 10 squiggle Wow. Which

Jamie: 48:04

that's like the the one thing each week that is near the top of my regrets is not not catching after dinner mints and I just perpetually do it. Um, so I just pulled it up. Here it is. It is under the Sotheby's Metaverse umbrella. The current bid is $200,000. And it ends on December 13. That's That's my update Korea, which is in about four days. Yeah. And $2,000 I can't possibly stay there. That's too good of a price.

Roy: 48:38

That is too cheap. Like the floor for squiggles is I think bottle over five. I think you'd go to expect it to be at least 5060 eth. And then you add in the chances of getting like a very rare one.

Jamie: 48:52

Or even a rare one. I mean, like bowls are 5% which is not really that rare, but their floor is way higher. Yes, as a friend Slinkys

Roy: 49:02

uh, the floor is very low. I think it's like so close to the regular floor. A very Nevermind

Jamie: 49:09

the chances that you get like a grail one, which is Oh my god. Yeah, who knows? That's

Roy: 49:14

expectrum Or like, it could just get the most rare one ever hyper

Jamie: 49:19

bold for instance. Yeah. Perfect spectrum bold, which doesn't exist yet.

Roy: 49:25

Yep. Yep, yep. Yep. I'm looking at the floor of squiggles now. can't justify getting another one. They just have one right. I have two. Okay. Have two. Although I don't love either of them like that. The they're both regular both them? Yeah, they're both very rare. That would just watch

Jamie: 49:47

like the non regular ones. For me, I love bold and then all the other ones I don't much care for. There's pipe. There's ribbed. There's fun. And they're slinky. Those are the other ones.

Roy: 50:03

I'm looking at them now. I honestly think I might like the regular ones though. Really?

Jamie: 50:08

I really I like bulbs more. But other than that, I think I do like the regular more than all the others.

Roy: 50:15

Yeah, I'm looking through them now. I think the only one that I might like more than regular is a nice slinky one. Interesting. Yeah. Slinkys I like to date me at all. Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, I'm glad that I like the more common ones, I

Jamie: 50:35

guess. Yeah, that's actually always a fun thing as a collector to prefer the cheaper stuff. Yeah,

Roy: 50:41

I guess it's like a Seneca all over again. Yeah, I guess. So. I'm looking at him now and tempted with a couple squiggles. No, it's me.

Jamie: 50:54

Yeah. Now, how many of you have at this point?

Roy: 50:57

I think I have like eight or nine. Which, yeah, I'm glad I didn't make them into that to eat. And they just dropped so much. I got lucky, because I would have missed it. If I think I was just distracted that day. Let's see. 4567 I have nine now. That's a good amount. I want to remind. Yeah. Number 289.

Jamie: 51:24

Why do you remember the number? Are you just sort of looking at it? I'm looking

Roy: 51:27

at it right now. And I remember the look of the one Yeah. I think that's the upload section. Right. Segment.

Jamie: 51:33

Yeah, I think so. Oh, I could just mention that. I've been putting together my gallery dots. So art blocks gallery exciting. I can I can link that in the show notes.

Roy: 51:44

Yeah, I may be able to link mine as well. I really want to go through and put mine will have

Jamie: 51:50

a collection. So it will take you more time. Yeah, mine i for the most part was able to just put in everything. I definitely had to leave some stuff out but

Roy: 52:02

not much. Yeah. I'm, I'm so excited to do that. Although I opened it up the other day. And like, because my main wallet has like over 3000 NFT's. When I went to like try and search and filter. It just wasn't working. It just wasn't responsive enough. Yeah, I don't know if I didn't. Yeah, this was when my internet was shitty. So hoping it has something to do with that. And, and not but I mean, I left it a while didn't work. But anyway, yeah, we will at least link to yours. And potentially mine in the show notes.

Jamie: 52:35

Yeah, we have. We've mentioned a lot of stuff this episode. So we're gonna have a lot of show notes.

Roy: 52:40

Yep. Have fun.

Jamie: 52:42

Thank you. Even though we're getting through the episode pretty quickly, we covered a lot of ground. Yeah. All right. All right, our

Roy: 52:54

our project projects, we don't usually do an intro for that. Oh.

Jamie: 53:01

You know what else? I was also thinking before the episode to just in the intro claim that we're the number one and I thought that would be fun, but I guess we should do that. Do it? Yeah. Yeah. All right, we've got the top five, right.

Roy: 53:18

We can just claim to be the number one. I mean, we got

Jamie: 53:21

like we know for a fact that proof is doing better numbers than us.

Roy: 53:24

Well, yeah. We've got more episodes, though. That's something

Jamie: 53:27

Oh, yeah. No real longest run a number of episodes.

Roy: 53:30

I mean, someone had one out earlier than us. And oh, yeah. Yeah, we're the number one in our eyes. For sure. And our listeners seem to quite like it. So yeah. All we need to know. Yep. All right. Um, I'll put my one eth challenge. It hasn't changed much since the last update what's

Jamie: 53:54

going on in the one?

Roy: 53:58

Room comedian? Uh, yeah. So it hasn't changed much. I had sold a NFT worlds last time, because they were pumping a lot. And then actually, maybe I hadn't sold it last time. When I updated. I think I'd made an update

Jamie: 54:13

sound familiar to me? Yeah. Yeah,

Roy: 54:15

I updated saying that I'd made a bunch of mistakes and not taking profits when I should have and was added liquidity. And I guess since then NFT worlds has completely just blown up. And I had two of them. And yeah, the floor was sitting at around like point one for ages. And then it went up to almost point seven. And it's sitting just below that now. And so I sold one of my two on the way up at like point four to five I think it's good. That was you know, a bunch of liquidity and then the other one I it's slightly rare, and I've had listed it I think point 777 And it hasn't sold yet and I'm probably gonna maybe slightly reduce it. Because it'd be cool to sell and then get, you know, a full eth worth of liquidity to play with while still having like 50 other entities which are mostly struggling, but you know, you never know when one's gonna take off. Unlike NFT worlds.

Jamie: 55:12

You know, it's interesting. I don't know if it's interesting, but I'm relevant is that at this point with that much liquidity, and with what we've seen in our blocks, you can start looking again, or pucks curated pieces in there. Yeah, just something that was so out of reach at the beginning.

Roy: 55:31

It's a good thing. I didn't like YOLO into monopoly. Yeah. Anyway, back then. My Roboto is still my number one value, actually, my world might be worth more now, almost a floor and Roboto is point five, seven. So yeah, I think my NFT world is actually worth more. I've got these two things called a zero Genesis from this project, Frontier game. And they had been sitting at a flow of like point or one for ages, and I just now checked and 2.6 and that seems to be a lot of activity. So

Jamie: 56:07

yeah, I mean, what's the main size of that project? You know,

Roy: 56:11

10,000, okay. But they're building out this fully fleshed game, there's a ton of other assets that have, you know, varying flow prices all the way up to 70 eth. Apparently, there's one of them, but you know, a bunch in the, like, 0.1 to two eth range. And, I mean, the art is awesome. It looks like the building lots, if the game takes off, it seems like they will. And it seems like these could continue to go up in value. So that's, that's cool. And I think I'm still sort of in this state with a lot of these things is like, yes, most of them though, they're worth point one 2.5 Just gonna hold and, you know, if slash when they get up to point 1.2, plus, then I'll try and offload and and get the more liquidity back from them. Which is what I'm trying to do with the NFT worlds now. And then I'll be looking for new things to mint. But just sort of generally I'm not very optimistic about minting new things, I think the market is, it's tough to flip, it's not the same as it was six months ago, four months ago, when I started this, it's just especially like, with the amount of time and effort I'm putting into this, it is very difficult. Like either you can make money by making a lot of low bids, and, you know, getting NFT's without paying gas, because of the time investment basically. And then the other thing is just like being like online and in tune and pulse on the market. 24/7 so you don't miss any random myths that come up. And that's not exactly where I am right now. So it does

Jamie: 57:46

seem like now that we have four bidding tools, so it's it can become more in your arsenal without having

Roy: 57:53

to slow them. Although I heard that opensea change the bidding system where like you needed you couldn't just use like one, rapt eth to bid on 10,000 Yeah, I

Jamie: 58:05

think I heard they maxed it out at 100x your balance, which seems insane, I have no idea why they would do that. But I definitely read people reading that

Roy: 58:17

as well. Anyway, that's basically the 1/8 Challenge update, what's going on with your abstract of the day project.

Jamie: 58:27

Um, it's actually behaving more like the name would suggest and it has been around a long time. You know, as listeners know, I was I was busy doing a bunch of traveling for a long time and not able to do as much art at all as I had wanted to. But I've been creating a lot lately. I think I've got five pieces that I made so far this week. And I'm, I'm liking what I did, I'm looking specifically at the last five and four of them I really liked quite a bit so I feel good about that. And let's see, I would say two of them well, let's let's go with one one of them is is look feels to me very different than anything I've done before. And then two were kind of going back to a style that I've enjoyed before I made what's called organized chaos number two and organized chaos number three, which is a thing that I've really really enjoyed doing and I guess we're gonna have to link to these because just talking about a piece of art and saying I enjoyed doing it and it's something I've done before is not great.

Roy: 59:39

Looking at I'm looking at organized chaos number three specifically right now and it is really really cool.

Jamie: 59:44

Yeah, it's it's it is interesting note because I let's see on day 137 It looks like I decided to move over to Polygon because gas was just getting so crazy on F main net, that it seemed crazy to try and be selling NFT's for only point o five on the F main net. But also, as we've talked about on this podcast, you know, specifically during Are you laughing?

Roy: 1:00:15

No, I dropped the pen. Okay. Specifically during the day, so that was laughed. Yeah, well, I

Jamie: 1:00:21

stuttered on my words a little bit I polygon is not really the place for art NF Ts. So I, you know, I'm getting good traction on Twitter, people talking about them, but they're not quite selling as quickly as they used to be one. Gas was low, and they were on the F main net, but I'm happy with the work. And I'm just going to keep, keep putting it out. And it feels good to actually just be creating again, finally, like, like, I kind of knew it would. But you have the plan is still to go to 150 here via polygon, and then move over to tezos for kind of part two. That's exciting. It's like, yeah, a whole new way. It really is. And I think I'm probably I will just be very experimental over there. In terms of pricing. In addition sizing, I'm just going to kind of try a lot of different stuff. And probably talk to a lot of people on Discord and Twitter and see what people are into.

Roy: 1:01:21

Yeah. Yeah, sounds good. When you can, you can really get away with like, you can price it very low, like one razors, which is like $5, and have large addition sizes and stuff like that, just because gas is almost insignificant. I mean, it isn't always zero.

Jamie: 1:01:38

Yeah, I think it isn't significant. From what I understand. I'm definitely planning on on doing something more like that is kind of where I'm leaning as the main thing would be to have it be cheaper than these currently are. With an addition size greater than one, it is what I'm vaguely planning on doing as my main thing. But I might also kind of transition towards that one of one thing. But but we'll see. And I'm also, you know, as I mentioned in the port API club segment, I have an iPad coming that I purchased the other day, so I'll be able to get the procreate app, which is just so dang superior to what I'm using. I've been I've been wanting to do a lot of animated stuff. Or I guess maybe not static is a more accurate term for for a lot of the stuff that I want to do. But it's just so difficult with the app that I'm using right now. So I'm really excited to be able to just do the same kinds of things that I can technically do with what I have. But without it being a insanely laborious, repetitive task that I just absolutely don't need to do. Yeah, to get the end product that I want. Especially because a lot of times I'll be like, oh, I want to try this and to do to do it here would take me literally maybe, like you know, I've already created the base of the art right and now I want to do this thing that makes it non non static and dynamic with like adjusting the colors or whatever. And it will take me 90 minutes and then at that point, then I'll actually get to see what it looks like. And I throw away so much of the art I do it's it's a total bummer to have to spend another 90 minutes for something that maybe I could be able to check in a minute with a with a better piece of software to see if I actually even like this the outcome of this idea. Yeah, and so that that has been annoying and it will be exciting to be able to get path

Roy: 1:03:45

nice. I'm looking forward to seeing what you create after the you have your iPad.

Jamie: 1:03:51

I am as well I think technically I'm looking right now I still only have one piece for my current abstract of the day that is not a static image out of 140 144 pieces I think yeah yeah, it was 142 days but then there was the for the season's ones

Roy: 1:04:16

Oh yeah.

Jamie: 1:04:20

So I've had I've given away two reward pieces for those and I have two more to go

Roy: 1:04:26

very cool. I yeah, I've been looking at Hazel a bit more lately just because of FX hash and a lot of people are talking yeah

Jamie: 1:04:33

FX cash is I'm kind of it's been on my twitter radar quite a bit lately.

Roy: 1:04:38

Yeah, it every time I go there though. There's just so many projects. It's like I don't know. It just seems like too many.

Jamie: 1:04:47

Which Yeah, so one one person I follow has been kind of doing a spreadsheet almost like what you do for floor price. But specifically for FX hash stuff. and they are also kind of curating it themselves by only putting in what they deem to sort of be the most relevant ones. So I'll I'll send you that. And that's to help you narrow it down. So

Roy: 1:05:12

that would be helpful. Yeah, if there is some cool stuff, but there's just so, so much. Just

Jamie: 1:05:21

yeah. Now have you have you also used that object website?

Roy: 1:05:25

I have I used it to buy the Tesla ads that I bought a week or two ago. Yeah, it's cool website. I like it so much better than

Jamie: 1:05:36

Ken. Yeah. Han was such a deterrent to me getting more involved in the tasers art community. Yeah, it was just so difficult to understand what I was even looking at. Yeah, is more more be able to search through it for anything. Mm.

Roy: 1:05:55

tezos as a chain has a bit of a nice boost recently, because Ubisoft the triple a gaming company announced that they're launching. Yeah, some and it

Jamie: 1:06:06

kind of a bummer for me personally, because I asked my friend the other day, who owes me a little bit of money if they could pay me in tezos. And they said, sure. But like, I'm not really awake right now. So can you remind me later, and I was like, that's perfect. I don't I don't even know what my tezos wallet addresses. I need to like recover it. So no rush whatsoever. But good to know that I'll have a line on this. And then, you know, neither of us made any progress on that. Me specifically, I guess. Yeah. And then like a day later, the news came out and then they it rocketed up. 25%? Yeah. Oh, well, but again, everything is so cheap there. It still seems like, you know, relative to what I'm used to paying on Aetherium. It's gonna be like pennies on the dollar buying art over there.

Roy: 1:06:52

Yeah, I mean, Tezza, which are basically like the first profile picture on tasers. The artist is, you know, an OG has been creating art on there for ages. Like the full price of them is like 310, which is$1,500, which is like 0.3 eth. It's just

Jamie: 1:07:10

a 20. Ace, cheap, our most expensive rather. If it was an F profile picture.

Roy: 1:07:17

Yeah, exactly. And it's just, it seems to me like a gravy literally lower than that. Yeah, I think it is more than that. There's definitely more than 28 projects that have a higher floor than that. Um, 2028 profile picture projects. If the tasers blockchain does well, long term and continues to be a thing. It seems like these tests are excellent buy at the current price. But yeah, probably. It is a bit of an if I guess. I don't know. It seems to be thriving enough and have enough of a community but there are a bunch of like blockchain urges that seem to really dislike tasers. I don't know why I haven't done enough research myself to know. But

Jamie: 1:07:59

maybe it's very possible. That literally does not matter. Exactly.

Roy: 1:08:03

Especially if like Ubisoft is getting involved and jumping on board. I guess they can just

Jamie: 1:08:09

chain for people that are not blockchain enthusiasts like, yeah, it doesn't matter.

Roy: 1:08:13

Well, it could matter if it's just not set up to scale. So like, if like, it gets 20 times the usage just breaks down and which, you know, I tried to get in on the test drop, and the changes seem broken at the time. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:08:29

But the way I view those sort of blockchain purists, I think most of it, for the most part has to do with security and level of decentralization, rather than scalability. Because they're always like a pop, like being apologists for Aetherium sort of lack of scalability, even though it's kind of scaling with layer twos and working on all this stuff. You know, they're very okay with the fact that it doesn't scale. Even though you know, Silvana does, or whatever it seems to me, like those types of people are not concerned with scalability as much as they are against, you know, lack of decentralization and lack of security, which, you know, to somebody who is an artist that's worried about global warming, are, you know, the 92nd and 93rd thing that they care most about, possibly for when they're looking for what do they want to buy or NFT's

Roy: 1:09:26

Did you read metallics most recent post? Yes. He seems to be addressing this issue as well. And the way he was a lot

Jamie: 1:09:39

of I read basically all of his but it's, it's like 70% goes in one ear and out the other. It's just, he's too smart and too technical for me, for me to actually understand what I'm reading.

Roy: 1:09:50

Yeah, I'm exactly the same, but it sounds like he is. I mean, he's saying that a theorem is obviously set up in a way that as long as people do things, right, it'll be be decentralized enough in a way that maybe other block chains need to be careful about how they go along and do things because then it's very likely that they end up not being truly decentralized.

Jamie: 1:10:13

Yeah, it just to go back to what we were saying a second ago is, like, it's one of those things where if I were to try and really comprehend it, I would have to Google and possibly spend 40 minutes, every three sentences on one of the specific terms or whatever that he talks about. He also links to a decent amount of stuff in it that kind of specifically will illuminate about that kind of stuff that you might not know about, but I don't have that kind of time necessarily, to understand the inner workings of something that I feel like I have a a overview understanding of that serves me well enough.

Roy: 1:10:53

Yeah, like, it's not like, it's, I just don't feel like I need to understand the universe. It's like, I trust him. If he says, This is gonna like, Alright, cool. Just give me the end result of the, you know, the big picture things and then the details are just trust that you're right on. Because if he's not just 1000s of people gonna point it out in Twitter and be like, Haha, he's an idiot. And this is why it's wrong. And that just doesn't happen.

Jamie: 1:11:18

It's also a thing that like, over time, I get more of an understanding of like, you know, this is the fifth time I've read him writing about z k roll ups or whatever. And like, as I read more and more of them, I understand them more and more, but to try and force myself to fully understand each one. Right as its release would be untenable. Yeah. Here's another thing for me to have the link to in the show notes.

Roy: 1:11:48

I'm looking to test odd right now to get completely off topic again. It's like he's wearing a t shirt that has a stipple sunset on it. Which is really Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna need to

Jamie: 1:11:58

see a link to that. Well, actually, I'll just actually bid on some stipple. Sunsets today.

Roy: 1:12:03

Hmm. They're a fun though. Your first NFT. Right? Yes.

Jamie: 1:12:08

stipple sunset 111 was is my first ever NFT. You still have it? Oh, no, unfortunately, I do not, I still have 112. And that one I will never ever sell. But 111 I did end up selling a couple months ago. The reason I own 112 and one, four and owned one on one is because when I mentor one on one, it's like, oh, I don't like that one much I need. And I immediately meant it again. And then one went to I was like, Holy shit, this is awesome. And then, you know, I genuinely think it's, it's the best one of the entire collection, which is funny. And so biased of me to think. Yeah, but

Roy: 1:12:47

it's also entirely possible that you've looked as double sunsets literally more than any other human on Yeah, that is definitely obviously. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:12:56

It also again, you know, artists objective, blah, blah, blah. So that's sort of an irrelevant statement. But I do think that this is funny. You got us off topic with a tethered shirt, not going to get us off topic in some sense. And I do think stipple size three and stipple density one is the best stop trade. That's just for anybody that's appreciating it or in the market for him or whatever. That's That's what I think what you and that's

Roy: 1:13:23

the end of Jamie's abstraction. Segment.

Jamie: 1:13:28

Do you want to talk about Zen Academy at all? What's going on there?

Roy: 1:13:30

No, I can briefly touch on it. It's okay. It's much the same is

Jamie: 1:13:35

we've been having fun playing poker. Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Roy: 1:13:38

So we have a weekly poker tournament. Jamie knocked me out last week, which was annoying, but also just kind of fun.

Unknown: 1:13:46

And very fun for me. Yeah.

Roy: 1:13:50

I'm just doing more community building things like that. I've actually had like, we run like three or four poker tournament this week, giving out whitelist bots for the thing dumbs project because I partnered with them. And they gave me 250 whitelist bots to give out to the community, which, you know, they're in very high demand these whitelist bots. So that was awesome. And we did a big raffle, and then a bunch of poker tournaments, and then a bunch of random giveaways in just random channels, just people who are paying attention at the time. And yeah, it's just fun. Again, having a project and being able to partner with other projects and do cool things. I'll be announcing a new partner soon. And yeah, I mean, I'm loving it. I think it's the community is growing like a nice slow, steady organic pace. There are people buying the memberships on the secondary, which is cool to see. Like full price is slowly going up. And I have

Jamie: 1:14:45

I mentioned that I had bought multiple and was thinking of slowly gifting them over time to people since I've already grandfathered into the discord server. And I think I have in mind the first person that needs showing enough interest in NFT's but doesn't know stuff that I think I might give them one so they can get in there. Do I know who they are? They were at my wedding you might have met your Steen's husband Matt brings a bell but the ring bearers father that oh, yeah,

Roy: 1:15:18

yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's cool. Um, a lot of people seem to have bought extras to gift out which I think is really cool. And I think that the drew make a great gift for newcomers to the space. Yeah, I love to hear and see that. Yeah, you know, I'm not infrequently constantly thinking, if that's the right way of saying anything not

Jamie: 1:15:43

infrequently wait to hear but

Roy: 1:15:47

thinking about ways that I can by not I'll up most frequently, constantly. And frequently, constantly thinking.

Jamie: 1:15:57

I don't know what that string of words

Roy: 1:16:00

what my head I know what it means. But alright, let me try another way. I'm, I'm free. Whatever your uh, I'm, I'm I spent a good amount of time thinking about how to add value to the community and increase the flow price, basically all the value of these memberships. And yeah, like, I don't have any big bombshell plans, that that's gonna make it rock it up. But I just think that as the community grows as a partner with other things, and more people want to be part of it, it just should organically go up in value, which is just cool to see as a product owner having your floor price go up, and people value it more. Yeah, and the price

Jamie: 1:16:45

was the mint price was so low that you know, the the amount of concrete things that are already being delivered. Even if they are only small fractions, perhaps of that that mint price, they're they're adding up in terms of access, early access to other projects that may or may not be in demand. And like the prizes in the in these poker tournaments and all that stuff, discounts on various services.

Roy: 1:17:17

Yeah, I'm really happy about Yeah, just the value that people have gotten with that mint price.

Jamie: 1:17:25

So what now what happens if if somebody was not in the discord before the the NFT. minted? And then got one which gave them access to the server? And then they sell it? Do they stay in? Permanently? Or do they stay in until you guys do like a new scan of wallets? Or how does that work?

Roy: 1:17:46

I think so that the bot that we use to verify wallets. It's like automatically scanning every day or something. So if you verify, you know, you connect your meta mask and says, Hey, I earned this NFT and then that NFT leaves your wallet. You I think automatically get kicked within a day or two maybe

Jamie: 1:18:08

from the specific private parts of it. Right? There's there's a bunch of it, that's still public or no,

Roy: 1:18:15

there's basically none that that's public, aside from just like the the welcome the rules, and like the channel telling you how to join and verify. Gotcha. But yeah, so so if you sell, and you have no token, and you weren't in like an OG before, then you will lose access. You can get free read only access, that's still a thing that I'm going to keep forever. Um, but yeah,

Jamie: 1:18:40

that's what I think I was talking about what is what is, but you have to do something extra to get that you have to specifically ask or something.

Roy: 1:18:48

Yeah, yeah. Basically, you want to have the read only access. He's got to fill out a Google form. And then we'll go through and manually add it.

Jamie: 1:18:56

Okay. Yeah, I think that's what I was sort of thinking it reverted to once the NFT left.

Roy: 1:19:00

Yeah, I mean, it. It'd be cool if I could set it up so that it did revert to that, but I I'm not smart enough to

Jamie: 1:19:07

surely there's some way to make that happen. But probably, but the use case

Roy: 1:19:11

of that seems small enough that it's probably not worth figuring out I think. Yeah, yeah. Or I'm sorry,

Jamie: 1:19:20

it is but it's only 72nd on the list of things to do. Yes, he's actually I'm shit to do every day.

Roy: 1:19:25

Um, I am sudden think about what I want to do going forward. Like if I want to open up a yearly membership, you know, just for the future, because it does seem like it would just make sense to have another option for people to get membership to Zen Academy without having to like, if it is just this, just this lifetime Genesis token. A we're just capping it at you know, 7000 or however many there are total. How many there are I should know how many there are seven 800.

Jamie: 1:19:54

If anybody should Yeah, exactly. You

Roy: 1:19:57

7800 Plus, you know, let's say the three three threes. Yeah, whatever. Um, but yeah, so I'm thinking about how to, you know, scale and increase and I think yearly memberships is just a good way to give people a way

Jamie: 1:20:10

to if you're also trying to drive value to the existing one. Exactly, do you I didn't even finish. But alright, let's, I was gonna say you could do some sort of thing where basically each one gets another one that they like, sort of have to gift to somebody, rather than kind of just AirDrop to their wallets, some way of giving the extras to people to increase the size of the community.

Roy: 1:20:37

Yeah, I've thought about like a referral system. So basically, that where, um, yeah, you know, existing members, can everyone can invite a friend or something like that? Um, yeah, I'm figuring out how to best structure it No, but in terms of increasing the value of the people that are the, the Genesis entities that people have bought, I think having a yearly membership, that's priced, I don't know, at point o five, for instance, would immediately make those Genesis ones worth, at least that, you know, but if you imagine that Zen Academy is gonna be around for five years, you use the math and all that kind of stuff, because without anyway,

Jamie: 1:21:16

I haven't figured, right, I was I was sleeping on the concept of this one is permanent, whereas the other ones would be temporary, temporary. Even so giving those into the hands of, of the owners would just be another way of kind of doing it. Yeah, that's a great idea. But either way, having non permanent ones that theoretically have value would would one would think, increase the perceived value of a permanent one, of course. Yeah,

Roy: 1:21:53

no, I think so. And, yeah, I mean, like, as, as an academy grows, if I want to keep growing it in the direction that I am, and making it bigger and bigger, it's like, there will be more running costs, like already employ three people, basically, which is absurd to think about. But like, as that expands, and more people join the team, and we're doing more building, then it would make sense to have a new revenue stream that you know, and pay for all of it. Right. But yeah, obviously, I'm kind of set for a while with the initial sale, because that was just so much money. It's silly already.

Jamie: 1:22:30

Right. But yeah, I'll figure it out. Cool.

Roy: 1:22:33

It's cool. The things you can do with a project and think about?

Jamie: 1:22:37

It's a lot more fun with an with a tokenized. Community.

Roy: 1:22:41

Yeah, it really Yeah. It's so cool. It's awesome. All right. I recommend everyone gets around organize communities.

Jamie: 1:22:49

Yeah, well, but you have to put in a lot of work on Twitter ahead of time to build a community before you can tokenize it right. Yeah. Yeah, you had to do for price updates and market updates every goddamn day for months and months and months. And I'm

Roy: 1:23:02

still doing them. Yeah, it was basically 16 hour work days for eight months, and then minus like, four weeks of holidays, maybe. I mean, I love it. It's fun. I still enjoy it every day. So

Jamie: 1:23:17

NFT's are awesome. They sure are I'm staring at gazers again. Yeah. I download the app. You go. We are supposed to be done with this podcast. We're just talking about random other shit. But do you have a spectrum by any chance? I've kind of liked those a lot lately? I don't think so. As one of the old curator projects that I've never had, I've been trying to acquire one of those a bit recently.

Roy: 1:23:42

I let me look at them. I'm pretty sure that they've never really appealed to me.

Jamie: 1:23:47

Yeah, yeah. They have mostly not appealed to me. But lately, I've been going away kind of like that.

Roy: 1:23:53

Wow, that floor is. Okay. So the floor is 1.45. And then the end of the second row. It's 9.5.

Jamie: 1:24:00

Yeah, yeah, that's, I mean, that's the kind of thing I've been seeing on so many of these projects that makes me feel so good about the future price action. This is just the second there's a little bit of interest in these.

Roy: 1:24:12

It doesn't take much to just that's an extreme

Jamie: 1:24:15

example, but there's a ton of them that are quite similar to that, if not quite, that's that scale.

Roy: 1:24:22

Yeah. I want to check Water Color Dreams. I love them so much. And the two weeks, it's just like that's low enough yet. They've actually held up really well during this this crash, I think.

Jamie: 1:24:35

Yeah, relative to a lot of the other ones. They've held up pretty well. Yeah. You know, what else has two formenti? I mean, that one was kind of getting really expensive, but it's still pretty high. What is it? It's like, well, thanks for seven notes for Oh, really? Yeah, it got up to like 15 at one point. Yeah, either way, that's probably better than the average. Bridge curated prices

Roy: 1:25:02

I think so. Before we got sidetracked backed up looks I was gonna get sidetracked and talk about how I downloaded humankind the other day and have another chance to play. But

Jamie: 1:25:14

yeah we need to end this episode.

Roy: 1:25:17

I'm looking at another form NFT at 5.5 eth It's one of those ones wishes. One giant one that splits up in attempted. Alright, this is this.

Jamie: 1:25:30

This has been episode 19 Thanks for listening.

Roy: 1:25:33

We had done such a great job of keeping every segment really short and brisk and we're like the shortest episodes ever. And then we spend half an hour talking about random stuff but alright, Episode 19.

Intro: 1:25:57

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh