Two Bored Apes - NFT Podcast

Episode 25 - Pigs are Flying (The PFP Bull is Back)

January 10, 2022 Two Bored Apes
Two Bored Apes - NFT Podcast
Episode 25 - Pigs are Flying (The PFP Bull is Back)
Show Notes Transcript

On episode 25 of Two Bored Apes, Jaime and Roy discuss the bull mania that has been happening in the NFT market. They speculate on the upcoming $APE coin from the BAYC, and gush over the Chimera drop from Art Blocks. We get a long overdue update on their respective projects as well.

TIMESTAMPS

2:22 News of the Week
11:47 Bored Ape Yacht Club
33:53 Art Blocks
45:29 Our Projects

Links:
Chimera (Art Blocks Curated)
Abstract of the Day
ZenAcademy
Jaime Twitter
Roy Twitter
ZenAcademy Youtube

Jamie:

The hosts of two board apes are not registered investment advisors. The podcast is for entertainment and informational purposes only. Nothing said on it should be construed as investment advice. On this week's episode of two board apes, we talk about the overall bull market in the NFT space, specifically in profile picture projects. We get more specific about it in the board API club segment, we talked about the upcoming start of season six of our blocks curated and then we talk about our own projects

Intro:

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jamie:

Welcome to Episode 25 of Two Bored Apes. I'm your host Jamie and I'm here with my friend and co host Roy. Roy, how are you?

Roy:

Good. I was I was just starting to yawn as you're asking that and I started laughing Can you about how many times I I start yawning at the beginning of these things and then yeah,

Jamie:

you usually cast with yawning or complaining about how full you are.

Roy:

I did just eat a pretty big meal. Oh my God is good, though. How are you Jamie?

Jamie:

When was the last time I had a meal? Or how am I?

Roy:

Both?

Jamie:

I'm good. And I had dinner about two hours ago. Okay. I have spaghetti squash with like a buffalo chicken sauce situation.

Roy:

Sounds kind of healthy.

Jamie:

Picked as a casserole. Yeah, was actually healthy. Kale is trying to eat healthy lately. So that means eating healthy. Yeah. New Year yada yada. Yeah, um, yep.

Roy:

We did do a juice cleanse.

Jamie:

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I saw that tweet had that guy.

Roy:

It's no good.

Jamie:

So when you're drinking like four things a juice a day and just not eating anything? Is that why?

Roy:

it was like four or five juices plus one soup. And then like a little shot like

Jamie:

a soup is just like a hot juice. Right at that boy.

Roy:

Well, and then you get into like his cereal soup level. Oh, I hate that too. But yeah, the juice cleanse is awful. I do not recommend that.

Jamie:

The other one is is a hot dog a sandwich.

Roy:

I hate that too.

Jamie:

I say no. I also say no. Sugar. Let's talk about NFTS though, huh?

Roy:

Yeah we probably should just be trending news of the week.

Jamie:

I think so. News of the Week. I think the news of the week, to me is just that the market is super bullish. And specifically in the profile picture project arena. There's just a ton of projects that are moving or, or close to moving.

Roy:

PFPs go boom.

Jamie:

Yeah, that to me is is what it is. I mean, we could name specific ones, but we almost don't really need to because there's so many of them. I mean, it's almost like they haven't moved. Yeah, yeah. But like this, this new, the one that they're calling the board API club of Asia. What is this one called?

Roy:

Phantabear.

Jamie:

That one came out of nowhere. And it's out like one and a half years, five days or something.

Roy:

It came out of nowhere, at least for for us, for us. Like in the West. Yeah. But it's just such an enormous Taiwanese dollar, I think a Chinese style. I hope I'm getting one of those correct, is, yeah, just came out with an NFT collection.

Jamie:

And I think You're offending Chinese people by suggesting that they're different because China is very possessive over Taiwan. But we don't need to get really political and talk about the Chinese Civil War and the results.

Roy:

I think I already gotten a little bit of Well, some people were not happy with the tweet I put out before about a I said can we stop Ape into anonymous projects or projects without Doxxed teams, because we're just making the Nigerian Prince's rich? Oh, yeah, yeah. Anyway, we need to get into that either. What were we talking about? Phantabear. 70,000? Yeah, it was like 0.5 eth for I think, maybe one to three days and then just rocketed up, like, jumped two and then

Jamie:

all this project in total, because you're saying it's only new to us. But isn't it also very new in Asia?

Roy:

I thought it was very new as well. Yeah. Yeah. But it's like none of us even knew that it was coming up. That was minting until it hit like, you know, two eath plus four. It was on almost nobody's radar.

Jamie:

Yeah, and even more specifically, I guess the profile picture projects as people on Twitter are saying that it's cute profile picture projects that are doing so well right now. Mostly led by doodles. I guess it's fair to say.

Roy:

I think so doodles. Then we saw alien friends really take off. Bowman's universe is doing real well as one of the newer ones, criptomories as well for mores. Yeah, they're doing well, cool cats nothing. Like they obviously caught up in the general Bull Run, you know,

Jamie:

Ray, they already had run nicely a while ago. So they're, they're not moving as they didn't like some of these other ones not at all?

Roy:

Well, I think alien friends is up like 200x In two weeks or something, stupid.

Jamie:

Yeah, very, very wild. So that's deep, should we get into the implications of it or anything like that or just kind of deliver the news and move on?

Roy:

We can chat about it a bit more.

Jamie:

That kind of the problem is, though, that our first question on the q&a episode that we just did, we went very into in depth about it. I feel did...

Roy:

my memory is so bad.

Jamie:

Yeah. So the question was, I think it was actually from Mike MC NFT. But he was saying, you know, what did you learn in the last bear you're using to, to frame this, and we kind of talked about taking profits. And, and I specifically was talking about how it seemed like there was too many pie for profile picture projects for the number of people that are actually interested in that type of project. And they're all kind of I say, they're all I mean, the owners of these, hoping that more people are going to come into the space and want to buy them from them in a way that I think is unrealistic of what we should expect from the next crop of people coming into the NFT. Space.

Roy:

Yeah, no, I definitely remember that. Now. I think I think we can still cover it a bit more. Because like, I don't know, what was that like five days ago, the market has just, you know, continued.

Jamie:

It's just kept going? Yeap.

Roy:

So much that, you know, you took profits, and I took profits. And I've been taking profits most days this week. And by and large, it's just continued going up. I think, probably a huge thing that we weren't really aware of that is just what we're talking about, it seems like Asia has like entered the NFT space in a real big way. And this is sort of, you know, an extra catalyst to the bull market that we hadn't really necessarily seen in previous bull runs. It'll be interesting

Jamie:

Asia accounts for what 61% of the world population. So that's very significant. And it does seem like actually, Asia was quite in NF T's previously. But stuff like Thailand and the Philippines, for instance, whereas now we're getting to the much higher GDP per capita, countries in Asia seemingly, you know, more Japan, Taiwan, China. I haven't heard anything out of Korea, really. But I could be wrong, that they're not into it.

Roy:

I haven't heard too much either. But I'm sure that there's they're very, like tech forward.

Jamie:

I definitely heard more from the others lately.

Roy:

Yeah. Yeah, me too. I think it'll be really interesting to see where whether, like, just sort of what flow on effect that has going forward? Are we just gonna see more projects like the Phantom bears, which like, Ah, I'm sort of more native to there,

Jamie:

those green which they crossover or are separate will be very interesting to me?

Roy:

Are they going to be wanting to buy doodles or book ads? Maybe, maybe not.

Jamie:

And also just be interesting, like, once, like, let's assume for now, that they're largely separate. Um, it'll be interesting to see projects come along that sort of try to bridge the gap and and appeal to both Western and Eastern sensibilities, I'll be interesting. And I'm like, surely, you would think at some point someone will be quite successful with it. And it'll just be. I mean, it, it has big sort of implications just for the way you know, the internet has connected all of us in a literal sense, but there's language barriers and cultural barriers. And, you know, a lot of what, what people like us will talk about when we're talking about NFT's and DAOs and crypto in general, is that it allows new mechanisms and ways for human cooperation. And this This is just potentially a very interesting avenue to have people that are not normally interacting with each other in any way at all even tangentially to be part of the same group and to some degree have the same goals and stuff.

Roy:

Yeah, connected by this community. Very guiding and interesting stuff. Um, it's yeah, it's just been crazy. Like, you sold your Cool Cat. That's something we can sort of talk about as part of that.

Jamie:

We did talk about that in the last one. Yes. So I sold

Roy:

like my memory.

Jamie:

I sold my cool cat I, I had one cool cat. I picked up a second one. And then I sold the first one like 1.75 Quite a while ago, and then held this one for a long time until selling it at 10 and a half the other day. And then I basically wanted to lower my profile picture project exposure, but not entirely. So after I sold it, I took some of the proceeds and put them into cryptomories and cool man universe. So I'm kind of diversifying while also de risking.

Roy:

Oh, nice. That seems like it would have worked out well, because cool gases stayed roughly the same. And then those two I think have pumped a bit.

Jamie:

Yeah. Has it has done fairly well, although as prices have been just going down so much, yeah. That it's kind of negating a lot of the increase in these floor prices. But it's also funny to like, be trying to lower my profile picture project, exposure and increase the diversity while still holding my Ape and my view, and just refusing to sell either. Yeah. And I know that that is very incongruous from like a portfolio composition standpoint, but I don't really care. I have them both listed for like, outrageous prices that people can pay if they want to. But I'm just I'm not ready to sell either of them at all before ape coin comes out. Unless somebody wants to pay just way too much.

Roy:

Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. We're getting we're very much in the region of you know, APE coin could come out any, any week now.

Jamie:

Yeah, shall we? Shall we bite our tongues though? Before we get into the next segment on? Probably? Let me just as Ben anything else, do? Nevermind, I was gonna do the right thinking. I'm thinking and scrolling through my new daily stats, uh, anything really popping out? This is really news of the

Roy:

NFT world's going crazy.

Jamie:

Okay, you said the week right Talk Talk to me about the bored ape yatch club.

Roy:

I love the bored ape yatch club, Jamie.

Jamie:

Keep keep going with

Roy:

the bored ape yatch club. I mean, the apes and mutants have really

Jamie:

and the dogs!

Roy:

And the dogs have really, you know, also been pumping in this bull run through it's not sort of these newer, lower price projects. The ape floor is it's almost 80 eth now, so it's sort of just crazy.

Jamie:

It's the difference between eighth floor and punk floor is like closing in on 20.

Roy:

That's Insane. I counted earlier today, there was 85 Apes listed. I'm sorry. 85 punks listed below the eighthy floor. Wow. Yeah, punk floor right now. 61 eth, ape floor 77 point 77.

Jamie:

It was like 65 When I checked earlier today, so cheesy, more

Roy:

muted floor 15 eth. And the dog floor is 6. So like, It's all coming up ape, it's, I mean, wild, it is wild. It's obviously Bull Run, is doing its thing. Apes are just so just everywhere on crypto Twitter, and so many celebrities aping. They're just really at the forefront of the space right now the personal picture space. So it makes sense that during a bull run, more people will both buy in at the high end. Just being wealthy individuals from outside, so like celebrities and just wealthy entrepreneurs or whatever. But also, there's been so many people that have been in the space for a while that have been wanting to enter the border ecosystem. And they're trying to flip their way into it and be like, Oh, I just I would love to be able to afford a mutant. I'd love to be able to afford a dog. And with all these smaller projects pumping that people have, you know, many people have made, you know, 10x 50x 100x gains on relatively small amounts that now they've got, you know, 5, 10, 20 eth, some some of that's going into these

Jamie:

you're saying people really want to get into it, want to get a mutant and want to get an ape and get a dog? I don't I feel like I don't actually see the dog thing that much. I feel like just because the of the fact that it isn't. It isn't a Club member, it isn't a profile picture. I feel like there's there's a lot of people that think that the dogs are undervalued, but for like more purely, you know, financial reasons. And they think that, you know, there'll be a nice multiplier on APR and or something like that. And they don't reference the roadmap, but in terms of people sort of flipping their way up in NFT's. I never seem to see people aspiring to that. The way I do see them really aspire to get a mutant or really even more aggressively aspire to get an ape. But perhaps, experience has been different.

Roy:

That's pretty much my experience. Occasionally someone will talk about a dog but it's Yeah, yeah, it's usually like the question I get. Either I get myself or like I see us a lot lately. And you know, it's been like this for a while is mutant or Cool Cat, because if floors had been quite similar, and the lately is like mutant, Coolcat or doodles, and you know, it's what would you pick Jamie?

Jamie:

I'm probably given my let me Just start with the fact

Roy:

Assume that we're all the same floor price and you had none of no exposure at all.

Jamie:

Okay, I had none of any of them.

Roy:

Yeah. So those are the floor for each is 12 eth.

Jamie:

Again, if we're also assuming that I still have my ape, I'd probably go for the Coolcat. But if I didn't have the Coolcat, I think I would go for the mutant if you didn't nice, quite attracted to the doodles and sort of feeling like I missed out on them at like two and three floors. And then I've just kind of sadly gone well, I missed it and watch them go all the way up. But I do find them to be an attractive profile picture for sure.

Roy:

Yeah, they're doing a lot of things. Right.

Jamie:

It seems like they're, and I don't pay too close attention. But and most of this perception is maybe just from like, random scared apes that are floating on my Twitter timeline. But they're they seem to be leaning a little bit harder into the kind of pure art thing that the punks do and being less about roadmaps and and things of that nature. Is that maybe accurate?

Roy:

I would say that less roadmaps. I'm not even sure that there is a roadmap per se.

Jamie:

I think there's said something about how it's just community driven or something as Yeah, no question about it.

Roy:

I think that, um, it's very difficult from the outside, perhaps to like, look at what the doodles are and see what they're doing. Because a lot of the activities are sort of it takes place in the doodles discord. On there, they had like a forum to vote on proposals for governance and like, so they have what they call the doodle Bank, which is just a community fund where it was initially seeded with 420 eth, from the initial sale, of course, and then 50% of secondary market sales. So it's this giant war chest now that the community can just like, make proposals and fund projects that add to it and do cool things. So they did noodles as a derivative. And I believe that raised like, 40, or 50, eath for the for the bank, and people are proposing like, you know, I'd like to launch a line of coffee with doodles merch doodles branding on it, you know, I need five eth...

Jamie:

what is the IP? situation there? Do? You know?

Roy:

Um, I believe you can use your doodle up to $100,000.

Jamie:

That's, that's a pretty common. Yeah, thing. Yeah. It is funny, though, because like, you know, at this point projects, for instance, like Doodles. The other one, I think that did it recently was CloneX, but like, their floors are so high, that, you know, if you if you take out the intrinsic value, and you're

Roy:

that is kind of crazy and funny. I don't know, if... only valuing it based on your ability to monetize it, the floor price is so close to the maximum you're allowed to get from, you have to be like, you think you have a 40% chance or whatever the math turns out to be 60% chance, I don't know, to actually get the maximum value from it, in order for it to be worth the cost of it. I mean, obviously, it's more complex than that. Because there's the the value without the merchandising, and the fact that they, you know, the $100,000 caps, or like, they're just a soft cap do you have to like ask permission and stuff like that to get more. But but it is interesting that they're maxing it out at something that's only a little bit more than you have to pay like two and a half x, but the actual for real,

Jamie:

I started, I just want to harp on how crazy it is. But it's absolutely crazy. Like, the maximum return you can get on it is 2.5x and it's something that seems like so difficult, like you have all the profile picture projects, who has been able to literally monetize their own for $100,000 like five people may be probably not either. And, anyway,

Roy:

Yeah. I mean, Jenkins valet is yeah, he's one he's dominant. But yeah, he does. Like that's like the only one that comes to mind. Um, truly developers...

Jamie:

do you want it? Yeah, there are others. But do you want to talk about stuff beyond the overall bullishness I had here in our notes? There's been some big specific sales we could talk about and those two really big trades a few days ago. Yeah. I don't think we've spoken speculation.

Roy:

We haven't spoken about the muting serum sales, the M3.

Jamie:

M threes. Yeah, those Yeah, to Jesus.

Roy:

So 1500. And I think 69 420 is probably the right number if my brain says correct, and we believe that the base runs on memes, which it does. Yeah, yeah. Bring me the offer on them right now. Yeah, like a week ago or two weeks ago, maybe one sold for 888 and we're all losing our minds because previously I was 350

Jamie:

Yeah, so 14 days ago exactly two weeks Taylor Garen who's like one of the cofounders of Aetherium, which is a lot one for 898 eth. And he, he kind of made a big deal of it and did like a whole Twitch stream of him drinking the serum and the meat and getting revealed and then people's. Every day, the very next day was of the mutant being born, which is very cool. And then two days after that one sold for 999 and then four days after that one sold for 1,542.069 ether.

Roy:

I was so close

Jamie:

and so that yeah, that was the most recent one eight days ago but now there's just a standing bid of 1750

Roy:

It's so crazy. Um, did you see the thread from the individual who bought the one for 1542 about why he bought it and valued it so high? Wow. He also I think bought pranksy's last ape recently for

Jamie:

Yes, I believe I did. Deepak Deepak. Yeah, he was sort of like, by the way he also bid 20 on Deepak.eth the other day, 420 eth. Yeah. Oh, I think that was an ape that pranks he had while I was not accepted. And he lost money. US dollar terms had and then sold for like one and then bought back. A couple 330 or something.

Roy:

Yeah. On this. Anyway, that's that's the mutants are saying so much money for?

Jamie:

Yes. You're crazy. You know, it escalated so quick to like, I remember. The night it was released, there was like pretty quickly some under death offers and then I think they got to 200. And then it kind of stagnated around there. And then eventually mochi, big brother, or maki mochi, bought one for 350. And then that was that was the only sale of one until this 888 eth one, four days ago. And now they're just going and now there's only three of them left. There's three mega mutant serums left. And so here's the other thing is that it turns out, it seems like they have basically all of the unique firsts, as one of the mega mutants, and the gold for one has not been revealed. So people are assuming that one of these last three is going to be a gold. For mega, which is like ultra elite people are thinking

Roy:

literally the grail of the entire ecosystem.

Jamie:

Yeah. Which in turn is kind of the Grail of the entirety of etherium NFTs, which is the grail of all NFTs.

Roy:

That's so crazy.

Jamie:

It's like the most valuable digital good in all of human history. You know.

Roy:

We're gonna see a billion dollar a sale?

Jamie:

Probably not, but I think maybe I do think we're liable to see alien crypto punk level sales on some of this stuff soon, though. Like after that, for instance, that pranksy see gold ape that you just said. So yeah, after that. The next one, I think is 1200 eth is the gold floor. So things are getting up there for sure.

Roy:

Yeah. Ah, mutants. They're insane. Board. Apes are insane.

Jamie:

They are insane.

Roy:

Token speculation. Drones talk about that.

Jamie:

Well, would you like to specifically speculate yourself?

Roy:

Not really. I'm excited for it. But I mean, there's so many unknowns, I guess. And I'm just I'm happy to wait and just be pleasant.

Jamie:

One thing that people talk about a lot is are they just going to airdrop them all? Or are they going to have it be a continually releasing thing and most people are tending to think that the latter is what will happen? Yeah. I agree. Because it seems like it just works better for the so much better. The market that way? Yeah. I think it incentivizes holding and stuff.

Roy:

Yeah, I can imagine them as dropping some and then, like the rest being unlocked. over a certain period.

Jamie:

Yeah. He said you didn't necessarily want to speculate, but how I'm going to force your hand here. There's, let's say it is a yielding thing rather than an all dropping at once thing. Do you think that the 20,000 mutants will collectively be getting as much as the 10,000 og apes or more or less?

Roy:

Less.

Jamie:

So you think that that they will be more than 2x? Yes, I muted. Yes. Okay. And now do you think M one and m two and M three will be all the same as well?

Roy:

Hmm. Awesome.

Jamie:

That that feels like a tough question.

Roy:

Yeah. No, I think they'll delineate between the M one m two and M three just because it's such a clear word. way to, like, distinguish the three tiers, whereas with bored apes all the traits, like, I don't think they're going to break down. So a gold fur gets distributed. I think all apes will be the same. But for mutants, M one m two M three

Jamie:

will be different than M one.

Roy:

Yeah, and M three should be something crazy.

Jamie:

huh hmm. And so you think like, how about an m two versus an O gap? Think the OG will still be better? Yes, but the M three will be the bet the best of all? Yes. Boy, they're so rare. It's crazy. It's sir. Yeah.

Roy:

Um, yeah, I, I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. But I guess if I had to pick one or the other, I think that they won't break it down by and what I'm trying to do just say eight to get this mutants get this dogs get this done.

Jamie:

Boy, and they said q1, I mean, we're, what is a quarter like 90 days? We're basically 10% of the way through the quarter. Mm hmm. It could, it could literally happen tomorrow.

Roy:

It could? It could it could it probably won't. It's probably gonna be No, yeah,

Jamie:

we're probably going to get I would think a 48 ish 24 to 48 hour notice. Thanks. 72. Yeah, they usually will say something like that, like, you know, the famous one Fuckit meeting Saturday or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. But but they, they tend to go out onto Twitter and onto discord and go, Hey, you know, on such and such a date in the not too distant future. We're doing this. This is what's gonna mean, this is how you, you know, they don't want people to be stampeding in and possibly getting scammed on a fake sites and stuff like that. I feel like that's, that's pretty important to them. So to have the information out there for a while, and to not be having it all be a rush. First come first serve none of that kind of thing.

Roy:

Yep. No, that makes total sense. It could be could be any day. Yeah. Ah, um, now I want to speculate because it got me thinking, speculating.

Jamie:

So here's the other thing people talk about is the idea of maybe the dogs being some sort of a multiplier. So if you have an ape, you get let's call it one ape coin per day, that you have this ape. But if you had an A plus A dog, it would basically be 1.2 or something like that. Like, do you think it'll be something to that effect? Or or not? Because it's possible to apes wont. I mean, I'm sorry, the dogs won't have any effect on the coins.

Roy:

I think the dogs will get their own separate distribution, just...

Jamie:

that's just much less than the others. Yeah. That does detract a little bit from like the companion slash pet story of them were like eaten. Because they've kind of made it seem before like, the dog itself would never have utility, except for like that basketball thing. Whereas they have kind of made it seem like, it enhances the utility of an ape. If it has a dog, it is at least my perception.

Roy:

I could see it being both where it gets its own small allocation, and it enhances the ape small like amount. But I don't think they'll make it so that, like, if you have a dog and noise, you get nothing. Because I think there are a few people like that. And they would be very unhappy if that was the case. And that just doesn't seem like the type of thing that they would do.

Jamie:

I mean, certainly, though, like, theoretically, the market price will go up on them to give to the aims and you into that want to get that multiplier. Yeah, the dogs wouldn't be high and dry. Totally. But in terms of actually taking part in the ecosystem themselves. Yeah, that would be kind of boring, if the only way to get that value

Roy:

for now. Yeah, boy. So what we speculate on this before, but we think that the token is going to be primarily used in the blockchain game, correct.

Jamie:

I do think that I wonder, though, if it'll also have something to do with the DAO in terms of voting power, and

Roy:

we'll make sense for that as well.

Jamie:

Yeah. Because like, say I have one eight, and I've had it for three months after the coin has come out, and then somebody else buys in. On that very same day, that's, you know, my 90 of day getting the coins. Is the DAO going to give us equal voter ship because we both have one ape or is it going to possibly give me more because of the thing? You know, that that does, though, become sort of easier to just take over with with monetary value in a way that it's not as practical to buy up all the, the apes, it is a little bit more practical to buy up all the tokens to control it. So I'm thinking they won't want to do it too much in the Dow. And it'll be more for the, for the blockchain game.

Roy:

Yeah, I tend to agree. I think I think that makes the most sense. Do you think...

Jamie:

but it does also interesting, sorry, makes some sense to find a way to have people who've, you know, been in the project just longer to have more of a say, than somebody who just got in. But yeah, perhaps that won't be the case. Or, or you could argue that the person who's been in longer has had more of a say, because they've got to vote for the last four months or whatever. And and now we're, you know, we're on equal footing going forward. But I got to sort of design the system more than the person that's just getting in, because I've been voting for months.

Roy:

So many things to think about. Right now. I guess I think the DAO is gonna be a separate thing later in the year and unrelated to the this token, I think if they do introduce the token for the DAO, it won't be the ape token that we're expecting in q1. They'll be separate. I think that we like with a blockchain game, I think we're going to see sort of the creation of new NFT's that will allow new people to enter the ecosystem. So like...

Jamie:

they've kind of said, they're not doing that.

Roy:

They've said that they're not creating, you know, more apes into the BAYC ecosystem. Like apes, mutants, dogs. That's it for that. But I think the game can be like a separate enough entity, that if someone just wants to come along and play the game, if it's, you know, compelling and fun enough. Yeah, they'll figure out a way to do that. And have people say, Hey, I have a...

Jamie:

but there's ways to do that without them having to buy an NFT.

Roy:

Yeah, for sure. I just think that they'll have NFT's as well, just because, you know, yeah.

Jamie:

Like we have, we have no idea what idea what the game is going to be. Yeah. Whereas like, you know, you look at something like cool pets and stuff like that. They've done a lot of showing us pictures and, and videos and descriptions of what their kind of vision is, whereas this week, we just know the words blockchain game, can you know, it's amazing, how would...

Roy:

I like frame of references. I like the existing blockchain games we've seen so far. So like, obviously Axie, Wolf game, Zed Run.

Jamie:

And this got teased before wolf game even existed. So yeah, theoretically, it ought not to have been influenced by and

Roy:

I also think it's going to be something completely different in you, like, there's not going to be your standard, whatever we've seen so far. Right? Which is just crazy to think about.

Jamie:

Yeah, because like, if you look at like cool packs, they're obviously leaning very into a pokemon thing, which also Axie infinity did. Whereas, you know, the, the whole ecosystem of Bored Ape Yatch Club is sort of more mature and less kid friendly, to some extent, I would say. So I don't think it's going to be anything like that. I mean, there's no indication that it would be but but God who even has any idea what it will take

Roy:

Yuga Labs, they probably have something...

Jamie:

Yuga labs, and that one company that we talked about a few weeks ago, I don't think yes. Animoca brands, that's what it was.

Roy:

Yeah. Um, yeah, I mean, we could keep speculate. I want to know what like blockchain. They thinking what layer but let's let's maybe move on till we have more information.

Jamie:

Okay. Bored Apeee Yatch Club. Art blocks slash generative art in general? Did you really? I do want to specifically lean at art blocks, though this time around? Monday, tomorrow? Tomorrow for us, not necessarily for you the listener? Well, today for me. Okay. Anyway, the first project of season six of our blocks curator is coming out. It's called chimera, and it looks great. It was the most excited I've been for a project since probably edifice, but maybe even before that, two fragments, it looks great and interesting. And I'm excited for it.

Roy:

Me too. I love everything about it. So far, from what I've seen. It's It's pleasant to look at. It's like it's got a little bit of animation zoom. I'm just yeah, right now and I'm doing that right now. I didn't realize you could do that until this very second. It's again different to anything we shouldn't we should maybe explain what it is. Um, yeah.

Jamie:

It's good. You like to take that or do you want me to go?

Roy:

You go and then I'll

Jamie:

I would say It looks very much like a post impressionist painting. So think like a Van Gogh, or Monet, where the, the brushstrokes are very visible. And it's, it appears to be something that is like a lot of flowers. And so so you can kind of imagine it to be a painting that one of them would do of flowers, but then it's animated and evolved over time as you're watching it. And so, you know, it'll be like a vase of four flowers. But then, after a little bit of time, one of the flowers will basically disappear, new ones will bloom stuff like that is happening.

Roy:

That's very accurate. I think that. Yeah, that's basically exactly what I would have. What I thought you verbalize it better. And I think I would have, it's just awesome as well to look at like, it's very pleasing. It's soothing to me to just watch these flowers sort of appear and disappear. And yeah, just just the lines, like the thing to do.

Jamie:

I do love like, the idea of you see, like, we're basically basing this off of the testament. Yeah, so we have no idea how much variety that will be within the project, really. And so it's just, it's very exciting to get to see, we go, we're looking at basically this one painting, quote, unquote, that we think is beautiful. And interesting. And we know we're gonna get to see another 986 of them that have similarities. They come from the same artist and algorithm. But beyond that, we don't know how, how similar and different and interesting, they'll be like, are they all flowers? We don't necessarily know. I mean, have you read the actually the description? Because I have not I've only looked at the testament. But there's a few paragraphs here that might actually tell us more about it.

Roy:

Yeah, I have not. I just saw that for the first time. And then yeah, I was trying to read it. But then like you said, this is a few paragraphs. I'm controls like, you can press a CH to like, do a few things as well, which is a little extra level of interactivity. Um, yeah, the diversity is going to be super interesting to see because I can see, I guess, conceivably, it won't be necessarily that diverse.

Jamie:

And so here's a sentence specifically it says chimera is a natural progression of still life. So it looks like we're going to be dealing with all what we refer to them in traditional artists still life. But, you know, in kind of a classical stuff, a lot of times that includes, you know, bulls, Ruffo, and shit like that, not just flowers. So it'd be sort of interesting to see what what kind of variety we get even there,

Roy:

I'll be blown away if we get a bowl of fruit from the same algorithm that that's creating these flowers.

Jamie:

With the fact that we both went to bowl of fruit seems makes it seem like it's liable to be in there.

Roy:

I mean, to life. Her name another still life. This is just the first thing that comes to mind, I think. Yeah. Maybe like, with plates on it. There's another one that Pete

Jamie:

what's the deal with all these painters that are always painting food?

Roy:

Food?

Jamie:

jugs, they're, I really like this Saison does a blue jug actually. So vessels that contain food or water? Food or liquid? Yeah. But beyond that, do you want to talk about any other projects on here or any FX hash thing or anything to that effect?

Roy:

Um, I've sort of well, okay, so I saw that earlier that the Bored Ape flip the fidenza floor, which is a it wasn't really

Jamie:

Oh, shit. I'm rotating. Have you rotated? I'm sorry. Yes. You can rotate the pot of flowers too.

Roy:

And yeah, yeah, that's a really cool part of it.

Jamie:

Oh, shit. Yeah, I did not know that.

Roy:

It's so cool. I like the way in and watching the petals drop.

Jamie:

Yes. Yeah. Go to the fidenza floor

Roy:

Ah, yeah, so like, the fidenza floor is like 74 eth floors 77 I guess it's just sort of, yeah, I never, I guess expected that to happen, but then I never expected the Apes to flip the Punks. Yeah, I mean, we've been seeing these massive Bull Run lately, but it hasn't really captured the artblocks market. At least not yet.

Jamie:

True. Bounce back a bit. Yeah, it has bounced back a bit. I guess it does seem. This reminds me of Cobis substack. Post about the metagame following the metagame. But Artblocks did, it just it was a lot earlier than this. You know, it seemed like we had an artblocks run and then it seemed kind of like we had the the Punkin Ape run previous to this one. And then we had like the Metaverse Land Run. And now we're having another profile picture project run, especially of the cute ones. And like, who knows what's next? It could be played earn games. Right? That's, that seems like a thing that a lot of people are bullish on.

Roy:

Yeah, I mean, I think they're kind of pumping at the same time as well. A lot of those projects have really

Jamie:

they kind of went with the metaverse stuff a little bit in my perception.

Roy:

Yes. But I think they've also gotten caught up with the

Jamie:

Yeah, I mean, everything right now is a little bullish. Yeah. But, but I don't think anything is as bullish as a category as profile

Roy:

as cute peripheral pictures. Yeah, yeah. Ethics hash, I am still sort of in the same situation where I have no tears. I, you know, put a ton of tears on there. About a month or two ago, bought heaps of cool things, and then have just sort of

Jamie:

it was actually a little drama on there today. I don't So basically, it seems like one project I can't know if you saw that.

Roy:

Oh, really? What happened? remember the name of it. They found there was like 30 accounts that appeared to be selling to one another at like increasingly high prices, kind of the thing that conspiracy theorists and fear mongers will tell you is happening in every single NFT marketplace. Yeah. What's actually happening here and and I think they also seem to think that it was coming from the artists themselves. And so they basically, like banned a bunch of accounts and stuff like that. Yeah. But you know, in more positive news, they also seem to be doing a lot of good, just listening to the community input in improving the UI improving the the UX, and, and, and stuff like that. But I also have not done anything in a while I basically, you know, was minting a lot of stuff for three days and haven't been on since although I did try to go on today, I interacted with somebody on Twitter. Notice that they had a project on FX hash, liked it and went to maintain I could not remember my password to my tezos wallet. So I was not able to do it. Yeah, I recover from my see phrase, so I gotta keep getting Yeah, you'll get it eventually. Maybe I minted a couple of pieces a couple of days ago just because I'm a Zen Academy member has his own project and FX ash. I saw that and I was like, Alright, I got I got a minute and it was one tears each. But I really liked it too. So it's not just the fact that

Jamie:

it was it a circle one a lot of circles,

Roy:

I believe so yeah.

Jamie:

Okay, this ad might actually be the exact same person that I interacted with on Twitter today. Let me know and then it's sold out like a couple minutes later. Um, yeah, cuz it wasn't sold out when I got it. Let me go to my collection. Yeah. Aquarium. Mia culpa.

Roy:

Yes, yep. Yeah, like those. And yeah, me too. Trying to mint one today. And I could not get like dang password. Yeah, I'm actually looking at mine for the first time now because I'm into them and then obviously takes a while to reveal and I hadn't seen him. Very soothing, I guess just yeah, nice and pleasant to watch.

Jamie:

Reminds me a little bit of there's a project called colorful circles that this artist crypto Bauhaus does another artist, that I have one of that I got a long time ago, actually. But it reminds me of that. But with the added benefit of being animated, but like I really quite appreciate it. When I was looking today. The color palettes were right up my alley and stuff too. Yeah. Good composition.

Roy:

Yeah, I don't really. I mean, I think the FX hash market has been sort of low ish lately, but again, I haven't been following it very closely.

Jamie:

Yeah, it seems like the floors have been pulling back a little bit. Yeah. After the sort of stampeding like, about the time I found out about it. Hmm.

Roy:

So they pulled back a lot actually. Oh, okay.

Jamie:

Well, I'm not checking.

Roy:

I'm just checking right now. Oh, maybe maybe I was people's exit liquidity. It happens.

Jamie:

I mean, we are we definitely provided exit liquidity to some people. It sounds no question about that. Yeah.

Roy:

But I'm by large I love what I bought. And I'm happy to hold long term. So

Jamie:

yeah, I spent very little relatively speaking and got a lot of our dislikes on buying. Yeah. And the I would like to get more if I could remember, but I'll figure it out and buy more soon. I'm sure. Yes, I know. I had tears still in the wallet. I had to keep doing it. But

Roy:

the garden monoliths project which is like the grail of effects hash. They are still holding up the floors like six, six and a half 1000 And

Jamie:

do you want one of those what has test come down down on price. I think I heard that because chromoly dough has been right. It was like in there. It's what it was 20 so Oh no, it's like the exactly the same. Yeah. $4.18 right now.

Roy:

Yeah. It was $5 at one point like a couple of weeks ago, but it's nothing. I guess it's 20%

Jamie:

or I guess I didn't notice that. Yeah. I'm chainlink man, suitable. Okay, we're getting off topic Artblocks!

Roy:

ArtBlocks!

Jamie:

Do you have an update for us on the challenge where you're using one unit of the currency that is traded on the Ethereum blockchain? Cool challenge.

Roy:

What was this currency called? begins with a E

Jamie:

ther? ther?

Roy:

Ah, I sort of do it's, again, it's boy, it's been, again appeared where I haven't really been doing much just because it's time intensive. And I haven't had a lot of that dedicate

Jamie:

boy, you had a lot of potential big winners you could have got into lately too, huh?

Roy:

Yeah, absolutely. But and also, this... I could add two NFT worlds, and they're like, almost five eth now and I sold them at like point four, one, not even one point .4 and .7. So, just because I thought I was being smart and learning from my mistakes last time. Which, you know, in the grand scheme, maybe it was still a smart move. But anyway, the challenge is sitting on over like one point, it's got one point O six eth in just eth and then like 60 NFT's except most of the NFT's are worth zero which is kind of what happens when you make a lot of very, very cheap NFT's in the hopes to flip some of them. Um, but I have a Robotto's and that's getting close to 1 eth floor, I have three crypto carbons and they're at about point three eth each s we're sitting at like three eth total there. I have fly frogs which pumped recently I have an assortment of other things which are probably worth again, close to 1 eth like I bought these frontiers theory Genesis things like point 125 I have two of them and yet a whole bunch of other random stuff. So I am starting to list a few things for sale now to try and take some profit and I guess just get exit liquidity liquidity in this current market. Just because for the longest time so many of these, these things are worth like point or one and now they're up to like point 06 and .07 And it just makes sense to exit those positions now I think and wait until sort of the next bearish phase two, I guess I now want to sort of rotate into the more established projects the ones that will probably come down 50 60 70 80 90% In the next crazy them

Jamie:

I want to name names or no. I mean, everybody has sort of a different definition of what is an established project right?

Roy:

Yeah, I mean, I guess I wasn't specifically thinking of anything I was sort of thinking of the reverse like the type of projects that already that went down 90% and have now gone up heaps like capsule house is a really good example that's a project that I really like the out of and just completely missed basically. Um, I think it was down to point one at one point and now it's like one and a half eth the hot project is another one I looked at a while

Jamie:

battle hardened project. I don't know that

Roy:

yeah, it's um let me try find it so I can pull it up and unexplained in more detail. Why have you been taking it off my daily floor stats? That's how low it would have

Jamie:

Hearts project official is that I don't think one and a half eth volume traded that can't be it.

Roy:

Um, maybe it's just Heart project.

Jamie:

H AR T maybe or something

Roy:

No, H E A R T I'm gonna I'm gonna use this is great podcasting right now. No, it's not. I'm looking at the artblocks project called heart and soul. I'm not it the heart project opensea at the RMC collection is drumroll... The heart project one word. That's that's where? Okay. Yeah. Holy crap. It's one and a half eth. Again, this is a point one for ages. And it seemed like a cool project. I missed it at the time. It ran up to like a point.3 .40

Jamie:

sorry, the one that I was just looking at was a fake version of this.

Roy:

And yeah, so this is another project that went down very low in the last bear market and now has bounced up so I don't know necessarily what I'm going to be buying the next bear market when things come down. But it'll be projects that drop 90% that still have teams that are working in building and doing good things and that have the possibility to 10x Um, no one that hasn't popped off, but I think might maybe HAbbo avatars

Jamie:

Habbo?

Roy:

Habbo. There I'm getting like point one.

Jamie:

The amount of projects at this point is just...

Roy:

there are so many projects. Yeah. What else?

Jamie:

Oh, yeah, I've looked at this before.

Roy:

Yeah. Anyway, um, yeah, I think

Jamie:

Boy, that's a bummer on those NFT worlds. Could have been a really slam dunk.

Roy:

That and a Bears Deluxe, because I had like 15 to 20 of them. And they were like three eth now. So...

Jamie:

Three eth???, huh. Oh, my God. You could have the punk by now.

Roy:

Yeah, we I think we've had this conversation on the podcast before. It's so crazy.

Jamie:

Yeah, it's been a while. Since we did this. Yeah. Segment

Roy:

these wanting to challenge updates. Um, yeah. Like, just, if this keeps growing at the rate of like, you know, 50% every three months, and the punk floor keeps dropping at the rate it does. By mid year. I'll have a punk. Yeah. You know what? I really want to get some flipmaps on this. I really love them. I wish I mentioned them. But I'm very bullish on them long term. Did you get any?

Jamie:

I'm looking it up, right. Oh, I did not. Yeah, I know. You're talking about though. Now. The name didn't jump out at me. But of course, I know these. Huh? You meant that a ton of these? I did not mean any.

Roy:

Yeah. I'm just bullish on obviously. blipmaps. And sort of CCO as just a concept. I think it's very powerful.

Jamie:

Yeah, it's, it's certainly quite interesting. 4156 actually had an interesting tweet thread about it recently, where he's sort of comparing it to define some interesting way that I'm not going to be able to actually articulate right now cuz I don't remember well enough. Yeah. So this is that's a good thing that mentioned on podcasts.

Roy:

He's a smart, he's a very smart guy, though.

Jamie:

He is. And he's, by the way he's selling of his punks, in retrospect, has looked good. Whereas a lot of people were kind of saying he was going crazy.

Roy:

Yeah. Although it's possible. He had a impact on the narrative of them. Like he was very vocally against them. Yeah.

Jamie:

But either way it has it has worked out well for them. And people suspected that it would not.

Roy:

Yeah. At least in the very short term, you Yes, that horse? Anyway, about 43 million soon. Who knows? Who know? I'm gonna tweet some flip maps? A blue flip maps? Yeah, that's right. Um, but that's basically the end of my One Eth Challenge. What's been going on with your abstract to the day project?

Jamie:

Well, basically, yeah, I, I minted day 150, which is where I decided to end it. I hadn't thought about going to 365 for a while. But I was feeling the urge to not have it be oppressive pressure to have one out daily, which I really liked it for quite a long time because it got me back making art and it kind of just forced my hand. But I would like to, at this point, spend more time per piece of art that I put out there. So I'm, I'm going to start another project soon. And I've been talking for a while about how I was going to do it on tezos. I'm still leaning that way, but I am considering eth main net still a little bit. Again, I'm leaning towards tezos for it. And I've also been thinking, as you were just saying about the CCO thing about making all the pieces from at CCO. And furthermore, possibly using CCO stuff as sort of a starter or inspiration for all or a lot of the pieces in it. But that I'm I'm less sure about because I don't I don't necessarily want to you know, I feel like I'm still so much exploring what I like about art. And you know, now I have this new software as well that there's so much for me to explore. I don't necessarily want to shoehorn myself into just kind of, I mean, obviously, it wouldn't really be derivatives per se, but, but stuff that is just starting with that I don't I'm not sure how much I want to do that. But it is it is something that I'm planning on dabbling with because it seems like an interesting way to um, it's just it's very web3. You know what I mean? Like the idea of doing something that's different and doing the sort of positive differences that we can make in this, in this sort of new internet that it seems like we're all kind of trying to build, rather than doing something that is very sort of similar to the old world and just kind of his his only, you know, we keep track of it on the blockchain. But other than that, the rights and, and stuff like that is all kind of exactly the same. That is becoming a little bit less interesting to me.

Roy:

When you first told me about this idea, I thought it was really cool. And I still do.And having seen a couple of the examples, I get what you said,

Jamie:

I really got cryptoads, one that I mocked up,

Roy:

I get what you're saying about like, sort of restricting yourself if the pieces you make early, like comprised of other CCO projects. But yeah, it's just a really cool concept and idea, like I can definitely see really taken off, I think,

Jamie:

yeah, like, it's, it is interesting to where, like, how much am I sort of organically lifting up these CCO projects? But by kind of just using their IP, and building on top of it, versus how much is it me trying to just siphon off of their popularity in a cynical way? You know what I mean? Like, I don't want it to feel like the ladder if I'm doing it. So I yeah, I'm not, I don't I definitely don't like, I don't want to paint myself into a corner and then find after I've done seven of them, you know, I really like to do something where I'm just starting with a composition or color palette that has nothing to do with any nouns or blipmaps or cryptoads. You know what I mean?

Roy:

Yeah, that makes a ton of sense. But yeah,

Jamie:

I, I am, like loving the power of this new app I've been using i It's interesting. I did see a, unfortunately, a beanie thread on Twitter, or at least who was taking part in it, but basically, about the And this, this app specifically got got mentioned, people were saying that, like, it's so easy to make art NFT's and that people who are not particularly artistically inclined are making them. And the software's just sort of so good, that people who aren't good at art can make it with it. And it was something that I had to think about, but I don't really agree with what they're saying, it almost sounds to me, like, you know, when you just like when paint brushes first came around, basically, you're like, Oh, my God, you're not painting with your hands. Like, you're not a real artist, it's anybody can paint. If you have a brush and paint, you don't I mean, like it. And ultimately, the way I view it, I mean, everybody views it differently, right? But if, if I'm looking at it, and it's interesting to look at, and I want to keep looking at it, and I'm sort of enjoying my brain state while I look at it, that to me is good art, whether or not it took somebody a minute to make it or five hours, it's it's good art to me, whether it's, you know, something that they only were able to accomplish, because they use this software, or it's something that they could have done in MS Paint, because they're so gifted, that they could even do it with this with this other software. It also to me sounds a lot like when people would see like a Jackson Pollock or a mark rock, Mark Rothko and sailing. You know, my five year old could do that. It's just like, it seems like you are really negating art. When you're when you're saying stuff like that.

Roy:

Yeah, no, I totally agree. You'll take on this. I, that's no, I was gonna say, lots of like, praise for that specific program and software, people seem to like

Jamie:

it is very powerful. And it is a little bit shocking at like, to me how quickly I can sort of spin up something that's very intricate. And if I had tried to do it, with the software I was using before would have taken me way longer or been something I would never be able to accomplish. But to now go and claim that that art is less valid. Yeah, seems wild. To me. It's just like we have better software. Do you want to get a tool or not use it or do you want you just want a gatekeeper and say like, you have to spend this long and do your job It's so weird. Yeah, you know, it's kind of getting very much into that sort of gatekeeping of what is good art and what is not good art that largely I thought we were supposed to be getting away from and and sort of democratizing what art people like rather than going you know what is good goes in think is good art and and that's what we decide is good art. Yeah goes in for our listeners important person in the art world and has like these galleries but yeah yeah, yeah and I'm not selling anime any anything we want to talk about in ZenAcademy?

Roy:

Yeah our floor price got just rocketed up last couple of days, which is very exciting. Um,

Jamie:

yep got caught up in the bull run a little bit too.

Roy:

It did it did it was sort of a too pretty significant like legs up, it sort of minted out and then immediately jumped to like point .06 point 5.6 demand just kind of hung out for a while, hung there for a while and then one day just like got swept all the way up to like point one five 0.2 Just very quickly and then retrace back down as those always just seem very likely to happen. And then it sat around like the point one mark for ages. And then I guess you fed three runs up because then it just sort of a similar thing. And then it started point one five announced on a similar thing, again, it went all the way up to like some was selling at point 45 at one point, I think last night or the night before, which is insane. And then in our tons have just been selling in the like the .2, .25 range after the

Jamie:

You did 12 days of Zen mess as well. That was

Roy:

yeah, that was a big thing. That was great. That was so much fun. It was just rewarding and fulfilling to, you know, work with so many artists and see all these creations that are like created. Just, I guess for Zen Academy, basically, with like, the only real direction we get the artists was just have some sort of a theme around the holidays, Christmas, whatever that means to you and ZenAcademy, whatever that might mean to you. And you know, some of the artists had never heard of me or ZenAcademy, really. And so it was just sort of them their own interpretation, I guess of the word Zen and Academy. And yeah, we got 12 creations and they were all so who different to one another. Yeah, they're, it's really wild and amazing.

Jamie:

I kind of want to read like a whole comic book from road trip to Zen. Hmm, the one that's like a little capsule spaceship. They just are like an animated show that there's something there it feels like,

Roy:

I think so that they're definitely gonna be creating more in that same style. Like I think the one that they did present Academy was a road trip design number two, and they release number one and three. And I think they're going more and more and more. So it's definitely a longer term project for them. Which is really cool.

Jamie:

I also really liked Amye good, which I believe was the very first one dropped.

Roy:

Yeah, that was really I mean, they were all so good. I love Yeah. Last game. Obviously. The last one was amazing. The store. The Twitter banner. The store? Yeah. Was that the name of the artist? No, that's the name of the the work. STOA is like what

Jamie:

do you spell out what you're saying right now?

Roy:

STOA. Okay. Do you know that word?

Jamie:

I don't. Okay, Its a word?

Roy:

It's.

Jamie:

So it's coming across as dumb right now, I think?

Roy:

Well, I don't think so. It's like an ancient Greek word, or maybe not. But so I'm reading from Wikipedia. Now a STOA in ancient Greek architecture is a covered walkway, or portico commonly used for public use to basically stoicism began, because there were, you know, churning out these STOAS basically in front of I can remember exactly what it was, but it was Zeno, I think was the philosopher who first started, right? Yeah. And he would stand on the interest, like, you know, give these lectures of these talks at under the STOA. And so that's why it's called stoicism. And so in ZenAcademy, the general chat area is called the store because I thought that was cool. And then this last piece, the artist called it the store, and it's awesome. Like you just see this massive face looking over, and then they're like, there's people like studying underneath it. And there's like, yeah, it's it's so cool. I love it. The oddest is yabby. Obviously, I mean, that's cool. The Twitter banner by pondering so cool.

Jamie:

Yeah, that's a good one, too.

Roy:

Yeah, I mean, they're all they're all amazing. I could go through them all one by one, but yeah, I mean, it's been a good few weeks as an academy. Obviously the full price going up is good. The translations endless, fun and good. I restructured and reorganized the entire Discord server, which It's sort of like a long time coming, I had the ideas and thought to do it for like, probably like a month. And it was sort of one of those things where you needed to do it all in one go. You can't like do half of it. And then the other half because it was sort of changing all the roles and the whole system, but I think it's now cleaner, and much more organized. Just in the Yeah. Just yet, we had too many channels. And basically now people can sort of opt in and opt out of whatever channels they want to see and not see. So that's cool. poker tournament is still going on. You and I are yet to win one. One of these days,

Jamie:

we already did knock you out a one, which is good enough. For me.

Roy:

Yeah, that's, that's unfortunate for me. Um, yeah, it's going well, I've been chatting with a few different people about building bots for the server in the sense of like, that analytics spots, forgetting just cool data visualized on things like a floor price, like, like, the steepness of the floor. I know, that's something you've said you've wanted for a while.

Jamie:

I think that is this interesting stat. Yeah. Sort of like the end result? How people normally describe it. Yeah, I think, like slope on a graph is a way to maybe think about it.

Roy:

Um, yeah, stuff like that, like, you know, how many sales in the last day or hour? Things like this? So it's not? Yeah, I'm excited for that. It's not like a quick and easy job. I'm finding out we need to like, yeah, find good data sources, and then create visualizations. And by, by we, I mean, they, the devs, who are doing all the work, but I need to sort of tell them what to do,

Jamie:

Can devs do something?, yes,

Roy:

please devs do something. I'm way I'm just excited. So I think ZenAcademy is just gonna continue growing and just like, being better, like just iterating. And finding new ways to get better.

Jamie:

We had a bit of a discussion yesterday about it. I don't know if you want to get into that. But I was, I was thinking about it conceptually, and how sort of different ideas from, like all these, for instance, profile picture projects. And there's so much talk about community in those projects. But in a much more real sense, that is strictly what ZenAcademy is, um, rather than just sort of being a term that you are trying to act like exists within that nft project, ZenAcademy, literally, it's, it is a discord channel, and the community within it that the NFT gives you access to. Whereas like, so much of it on these profile picture projects is like people with a like, punk or ape avatar, acting like I'm a really big part of this other community that happens to be pumping lately, and just sort of posting a picture that they bought into it kind of over and over again, from all these different people in a way that that rings quite hollow to me. And the way to sort of increase the value or the perceived value of it seems to be to kind of just do that sort of thing. Whereas in Zen Academy, it is truly to enhance the experience of everybody else in this discord channel with you.

Roy:

Yeah, it's it's like, it is all there is. The community is ZenAcademy, and there's no.Like, there are other sort of membership token projects with it.

Jamie:

It's not the only one to do something like this.

Roy:

It's not like it was all the other ones. Almost all the other ones also talk about, hey, you know, you're getting airdrops, we're partnering with these projects, and you know, you're going to get access to this app, the other decentraland wearables, and you can burn your tokens to get this new thing. And it's just like, for the most part, I'm just focusing on the community. And every now and then I'll say, hey, you know, we're going to partner with these people as just a bonus, or like, I'm not really planning these massive, massive things are promising them at least. And I think it's really helped to keep the focus on just the community. And I think if we continue and build is really strong community, which I think we have and are just continuing to build just from there we'll if we do ever want to expand out into some of these other areas will have a much, much more solid foundation from which to do so. And, you know, so many members that had been part of the community for months in a year plus, you know, the token has gone up a ton in value, hopefully, a lot of goodwill and just emotional investment into the community as well as financial asset Then

Jamie:

I had minted four of the tokens and was sort of thinking of these will be a good thing I can gift three of them to other people that I'm trying to get into NF T's and that I want to be able to be in the discord. But now the value is gone up enough that I feel much less inclined to just do that.

Roy:

Oh, boy. Oh, yeah, I mean, that said, I don't know.

Jamie:

I mean, it's a very realistic thing. Like, it's so many that I'm hoping to get into NF T's. It's one thing to send them something that's worth $180 versus going, right. This is $1,200. And it allows you to get into this discord for NFT's. And you don't seem that into NFT's. I'm just like, hoping to get you into it. Yeah, that's a lot different.

Roy:

Well, I mean, that you can always tell them just to join and get the free access read only. Yeah. That's, um, that's a cool option. A lot of people have been gifting the NFT's out even after they've gone up a bit in price. I mean, maybe not.

Jamie:

Those people are more reasonable than me.

Roy:

No doubt about that.

Jamie:

Yeah, I'm down about it. Come on.

Roy:

No, you are you are very generous.

Jamie:

Thank you.

Roy:

but not 1200. dollars generous... Yeah, no, it's no, it was going great. I have a I'm really excited. Oh, we're doing this thing with hatch coding, which is a sort of like a generative art course, for kids to everything I started.

Jamie:

It's cool.

Roy:

It's really, really cool. And it's been a ton of interest. People in the community have kids or nieces and nephews. And yeah, it's just another great community building activity. And I've been chatting with Peter, who's the founder, and who runs patch coding for

Jamie:

the low ages on the ages that it was for you thought it is,

Roy:

I believe, seven, no, eight, nine to 17. Okay, but he has said that if there are like six year olds, seven year olds, then it's sort of up to the parents, if you want to write help them hold the hands, you know, and be there then great you find is there's no like, hard cutoff or anything, it's just sort of might be a little more difficult for a six year old to grasp the the curriculum compared to you know, 9 10 11 12 year old. But I mean, you know, that being said, as well, if you're an adult and you want to use the site, the site's open for anyone, you can go and learn generative art, it's just like this specific course and like the prizes and stuff just for kids, which is totally fine. But yeah, it's just a cool initiative. So I think, you know, if you're listening to this, and you're not paying attention to the discord, but you have kids, or yeah, that that would be interested in learning to go generative art, just check, check it out in the discord because I believe and put a tweet out and just make more people get involved? Because I think it's something that yeah, a lot of people seem to be interested in. That's ZenAcademy. I do. Yeah. The the 333 Club is also going really well. I think it I probably talked about it less on here in general. But, uh, yeah,

Jamie:

we're still more secretive in nature.

Roy:

And it is a little more secret.

Jamie:

I'm not a part of it. So I can't contribute you under caution as well.

Roy:

Yeah. It's not really designed to be secretive. It's just sort of become that way because of the nature of it. And the fact that there's not that many members, right. But we are, you know, again, just getting five to 10 new members a week. Um, yeah, getting applications and processing them myself and accepting new members. And it's really cool to see and get new people in there and just see the sort of community that's forming. We're probably gonna start having like Twitter spaces just, again, to just be a little more outward facing and have just so many people in there who are devs project founders, you know, who worked on projects, who are experts in marketing, or this, that and the other, and to the knowledge that get shared is really incredible. And it's not like, everyone's like, hey, which keep it for ourselves. We're like, let's do a Twitter space will show people a little more of what 333 is about, and maybe just get more people interested if they might want to be, um, but yeah, it's going great. I love it. It's, I mean, no rush to meet out. Again, I think it's going to really healthy pace. I have noticed an uptick in the last. Specifically last week, more and more people are reaching out, including a bunch of people who, like when I first sent out the DMS and the

Jamie:

and at the time, we have theorize that this was liable to whitelist, at the beginning of November, who had to fill out the application at the beginning of October, you initially said Ah, no, change my mind. Sorry. Now they've said, You know what, this recent bull market has given me a bunch of liquidity. Can I still get in? Stuff like that is yeah, really, you know, back then eth was at like 4.5k. And it was a bear market for NFT's compared to now with eath 3k and bull markets a lot easier for a lot more people to justify the expense happen.

Roy:

Yeah. And it is. And it's cool to see more people wanting to join us. So yeah, that's, that's the 333 club that's ZenAcademy. That's our project. That's very important. The podcast.

Jamie:

Yeah. Um, but you wanted to tell people about what they should do to spread the word about the podcast, and yeah.

Roy:

Uh, like, tell your friends leave a review.

Jamie:

leave a review, where, how do you do that?

Roy:

Leave a review on iTunes or just reviews. And you can rate it on Spotify. Right?

Jamie:

You can rate it on Spotify and Apple podcasts and my book and

Roy:

you can leave a review on Apple podcasts.

Jamie:

Ideally, five stars right? That's the best

Roy:

that would be great. Or not rating rather. Yeah. Yeah, we really appreciate it. Any help in I guess spreading the word is Mike

Jamie:

you know what's, what's happening? Right? I'm noticing there's we're getting more and more competition right now. When we started this, there was like three nft podcasts now there's like eight. So we need to really like we need to let the people know that this is the place to come. This is the best one. Yeah, of course. And our listeners need to help us get that information out there to the general public.

Roy:

That would be great. I could probably do a better job. I have like 8 million Twitter followers. I know. Well, yeah.

Jamie:

I mean, I I deeply resent you for not doing a better job. I'm glad you're finally got about how you how you're not pulling your weight here.

Roy:

I'm not pulling my weight. I'm gonna I'm gonna tweet out because Jamie deeply resents me. Um, you know, what we could probably should do is just set up the the Two Bored Apes Twitter as well and just like get people

Jamie:

Yeah, and we did that one space is and it went well. That would be a good thing to do more of. Yeah. Now we're starting to have like an on air production meeting though. We don't need to do that. So this has been episode 25 of Two Bored Apes. Thanks for listening.

Intro:

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh