Episode 28 - Twitter Q & A (7)

Jamie: 0:00

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Intro: 0:11

Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh

Jamie: 0:29

Episode 28. Roy, I'm changing. Welcome to Episode 28.

Roy: 0:36

All right, welcome to Twitter q&a.

Jamie: 0:41

I'm not saying who I am. I'm not saying I'm a host. I'm not sorry.

Roy: 0:47

I'm here with my friend Roy., Roy, how are you?

Jamie: 0:51

you're doing me? You're doing me. Okay, now, so I have to do you. I just had a really big meal. five in the morning.

Roy: 1:02

I just I just sold all my blue chip NFT's

Jamie: 1:07

paper handed another. Another priceless. Okay. All right. No, was it let's be serious for a minute, huh? This is episode 28. Twitter q&a Number six or seven or eight? Are? You ready? Ready to jump into it?

Roy: 1:24

Oh, yes, I am. Actually, I haven't seen any of the questions this week, which is very different. Because previously, I would have seen some of them. But you curated the list. I'm going in blind.

Jamie: 1:35

I'm doing I'm doing the heavy lifting today. Mm hmm. So Oh, actually, that's funny. That reminds me we had another question that was literally about lifting and I wanted to include it and I didn't

Roy: 1:47

Oh, the benchpress one. Yeah. Yeah.

Jamie: 1:50

Somebody asked how much we can benchpress. Let's just start with that one. Someone whose name we didn't write down, like we normally do said how much can you benchpress Roy. You go first. I haven't

Roy: 1:59

benchpress in years, probably like, I don't know. 100 kilos. What's that? Seems?

Jamie: 2:04

You definitely don't benchpress 100 kilos. I can promise you that. 150? No, not sure. Not

Roy: 2:13

9090 kilos,

Jamie: 2:14

you still can't do that. Alright, let's go on to honestly.

Roy: 2:18

I think the answer is probably around a maybe 40, 35-40

Jamie: 2:25

Okay, that's pretty light. I think I could probably, I'm gonna use pounds because I'm American. If I was lucky, I could probably put up 155 right now. We're we're both small people. That's Is that fair to say?

Roy: 2:40

It's very fair to say, although I'm going to go to the gym twice a week now personal training, and he my trainer is gonna whip me into shape. He bet I like him a lot.

Jamie: 2:49

Do you have goals?

Roy: 2:50

Or? Um, you know, specific goals? Yeah. Uh huh.

Jamie: 2:56

Just when you want to be in better shape,

Roy: 2:57

I just want to be in better shape. I want to just be forced to exercise basically, like we've got an ultimate home, I've not used it much. I just, you know, you get into the rhythm of the degenerate NFT crypto lifestyle where you just sitting behind a computer screen.

Jamie: 3:13

And I know I sort of have like, last year for sure. I avoided my pretty good consistent exercise for a solid six and a half, seven months in a row because I was just NFTs all day every single day. No good sleep and all that and yeah, kind of kicked that and had been working out pretty good this year. So I'm happy about that.

Roy: 3:39

Can you imagine if this is someone's first time listening to Two Bored Apes, an NFT podcast and we're talking about bench pressing the

Jamie: 3:46

bench press. By the way, your your number is so pathetic that even if they were interested, they

Roy: 3:53

I think we've established I'm the brains and you're the brawn.

Jamie: 3:57

Yeah, so Roy, I think let's let's actually get into this though. We have lives to get to. And listeners who presumably, the listeners presumably want to hear about the Twitter q&a questions

Roy: 4:12

Allright, Twitter Q&A. You go first.

Jamie: 4:16

First question comes from JB and let lo I'm not sure if that's how it's pronounced. They say I have a question concerning the well known issue of trying to get around canceling listings by transferring the token to another wallet and then having it sniped at that price later, if you transfer it back. Do you think this is open seas fault or the token holders fault? I think this is a great question. And it's just pertinent to what's been happening a lot lately.

Roy: 4:40

No, I agree is a great question. I think the fault ultimately lies on the token holder. Um, but I think open sea has some fault or bears some responsibility, kind of just because of their poor UI in the sense that It can show that you have no listings on an item, whereas right, you actually do. So yeah, it sort of foolls people very reasonably into believing that they have no listings because overseas says that they don't, even though if they looked at the blockchain and like really checked, looked at, like in an amount of detail that maybe 1% of people actually know how to do. Easily, they would see Oh, I do have,

Jamie: 5:25

what are what are you actually doing when you make this listing? Huh? What What exactly does this listing say? That kind of thing? Yeah, I agree with you. And I would say also just maybe add the caveat that as time goes on, it's becoming more and more of the token holders fault, because the information is getting out there in a big way. And has been, but even more than that now. Now OpenSea and Looksrare, and rarible too probably although I don't know for sure. Oh, yeah. Raribles was

Roy: 5:53

the first one that came out. Well, yeah, yeah.

Jamie: 5:55

That they're having things basically that show you all your inactive listings and stuff. So you have you have the ability to see this actually gotten a pretty big sort of debate the other day on on Twitter. So did you see the we're about to get off? The article, maybe Rolling Stone magazine? Oh, remember who it was? They interviewed the like the main artist from the Bored Ape Yatch Club? I don't think I saw this. No. Um, basically, she was just saying that, relative to how insanely successful the project has been, her pay was very small, which is, you know, totally understandable. Because, you know, I assume she took a lump sum rather than any sort of equity position. And it's just, it's obviously succeeded behind beyond anybody's wildest imagination. And somebody on Twitter was basically saying, like, look, she made it an agreement. Like, she shouldn't even be voicing this opinion, that's ridiculous, why she has to be an adult, she made this. And then, one day earlier, they were basically tweeting that like, you know, Web3 doesn't mean it's the Wild West, you can't be a piece of shit and buy these non canceled listings or whatever. And I, to me, it seemed like, there's a big amount of hypocrisy there. Because the person that made the listing made an agreement, just as much as this artists made the agreement when they said, I will sell this NFT from this wallet for this much money. And, and it's even worse, I would argue for them, because literally, every moment from when they make the listing until it's bought, they had the option to go back on on the deal. Whereas the artist, you know, makes the deal and then is purely locked in.

Roy: 7:36

And yeah, no, I agree with that. I think, um, yeah, I think we've basically answered that question.

Jamie: 7:43

Yeah, it also does touch a little bit on the sort of overall concept of how, you know, this is all meant to be sort of trustless and open source and decentralized. But we have these centralized entities that are abstracting away a lot of the code. So people don't know exactly what they're doing. And a lot of cases, like, you know, on Twitter, people are still talking about this, this sort of exploit or whatever you want to categorize it as, and a lot of people still don't really know what's happening. They're going, there's a lot of like, I think, I'm not sure. And it's just, you know, I feel like I have a very, very good handle on it. But it seems like a lot of these people that are on the same NFT Twitter as me, still don't really understand how it all happened. So people people need to, I think, understand what, what the blockchain is, how they're interacting with it, what all that stuff better. And definitely there can be, you know, better user interfaces from things like opensea and metamask to help people with these problems. But ultimately, you do need to take some or a lot of responsibility yourself when, when you're trying to play in this decentralized trustless system. Yeah,

Roy: 9:01

I agree with that, I think because of these centralized entities, like opensea, and whatever marketplace, we, you know, new participants to the space, if that's their only real exposure to cryptocurrency, they may they very much might not be aware of how things work under the hood, so to speak. I think that is, I mean, they for sure don't. Yeah, and I think that's something that's only going to continue to get worse over well, it's hard to say I think the education is going to get better. And so when new participants get into the space, we will do a better job of educating them. And I think we're getting better at that, but by the same token, so will the level of abstraction that these user interfaces will have to essentially remove the the customer consumer participant away from technicalities as much as possible, which is, on the one hand, the good thing, but on the other hand, it means that when there are these, if you want to call them oversights in the, the UI of OpenSea way, you know, it, it looks like you have no cancelled listings, even though you do. And if you knew anything about the blockchain, or like, if you knew enough about the blockchain, you would know that not to be transferring an asset, it doesn't have to cancel it. I mean, I honestly thought that was enough. Like for longest time, I thought the trend, like if I, if I listed something for sale, and then lower the price a few times, I could either pay gas to cancel five listings or just transferred to another wallet, and we're canceling. And I've been in the space a lot like 16 hours a day for a year, and I didn't know that. So it's, yeah, there's a lot of technicality and details that most people are just never going to understand. The question comes then, Do we Or should we educate and try and educate every new participant on all the intricacies? Or do we need to come up with some sort of structure, you know, which is not even necessarily a centralized thing, just like every program that comes out, has some protections in place or like keeps these things in mind best practices, things to help you protect consumers, even though it is it is, it is meant to be decentralized? I think that just by nature, all humans are going to be at different levels of like, the spectrum of undecided.

Jamie: 11:34

I can't imagine that as time goes on, and people who aren't in the space yet enter the space, they're going to come in and develop more blockchain literacy than the people that are already here. And the tools are going to be, you know, less shiny and good. You know what I mean? Like, it's only going to get more and more abstracted, I would say, but I also do think, you know, to sort of lean into the other thing you were talking about is there will be a better consensus of best practices, and all of these things to to help these people not have to suffer just because they're not a solidity programmer or whatever. Yeah. This is turning into a run on question, but I also just wanted to give a shout out to somebody. And unfortunately, I could not find what their screen name is on Twitter. But did you see the person who basically, you know knows exactly what these exploiters are doing? And are looking at the Ethereum mempool and are just front running the people? Yes. And then and then tweeting out, Hey, I just bought this somebody was trying to buy it at your young cancelled listing DMA. Love that

Roy: 12:40

I love that, it's amazing to hear or read.

Jamie: 12:43

Yeah. Next question.

Roy: 12:45

Next question is why J do plant man. I'd love to hear your thoughts on buying fractions of apes. At this point right now. I can't afford an ape and the brand keeps growing. Apparently there are places such as dead devil society where you can own a portion with others victory hand... what?

Jamie: 13:05

Victory hand I believe is a an emoji.

Roy: 13:08

Oh, right. That's a portion with all this. Yeah, and then so

Jamie: 13:13

also @sockjock basically asked us to the same thing. They said any thoughts slash experiences with NFT fractionalization good sites of use. Do you think it's a good use of capital to buy fractionalized blue chips with a lower bank roll, etc. The same basic thing?

Roy: 13:28

Yeah, um, I mean, yeah, I'd never heard of dead double society I know. By fractionalized vampire one sneaky, sneaky man busting to get um, I know fractionalized with art is the big one that most people use or reference when they talk about fractionalized apes. I think it's a fine way to get exposure. Um,

Jamie: 13:52

the very, very, very first thing I ever did in NFT space was buy some punks tokens. Hmm. And not the punks comics ones. This was like before that. Yeah, me too, actually. And figuring that out together. Yeah, that was, I mean, we've already covered this, but how confusing the instructions from our friend or how to get them? That was insane. Yeah, it was just like,

Roy: 14:15

oh, it's easy. Just, you know, if you download Metamask funded with some eth go to sushi swap, find the token path. wrap it. No. Um, but yeah, I think it's a fine way, a fine way of getting some exposure to the ecosystem. One concern I do have is I'm not quite sure how like airdrops and things work with a fractionalized asset in the sense of if you had an ape fractionalized, who gets the mutant? For instance, when who was going to get the APE token, how is that going to be distributed? Is there a mechanism in place for that to be distributed? That would be a question I would Want to know the answer to before?

Jamie: 15:02

Yeah, I mean, I would also basically advise, like looking into the specific plumbing of the way they're doing it. And like it, is there actually a mechanism for turning the tokens into money from the NFT getting sold or into the entire NFT itself? Or is it just like a theoretical representative thing? Or they're locked in smart contracts? Where it's like, you don't I mean, yeah, there's something different about going okay, this NFT is locked here, and we're giving you these ERC 20s that represent it, versus a situation where you legitimately can collect all those ERC 20s and, like, get that NFT actually backed out and take ownership of it. That, to me, there's, I think there's different levels of how actually true your your fractional ownership, so to speak, is of the NFT. And I would want to look into stuff like that.

Roy: 16:01

Yeah, I think sort of, to answer the question on a more high level, in theory, I think it's a great idea, it just, you can't buy an entire asset, that's very expensive. But perhaps you can buy a smaller fraction of one,

Jamie: 16:18

I would suggest going ahead, you got to say basically, I would, kind of, I mean, there's nothing wrong with it. But it's, you might just have more fun and better returns, on average, if you're buying complete NFT's yourself from a project that is less well established, you know, obviously, just in theory, more risk to on established, or, you know, just establishing projects versus something that we would all consider a blue chip, they can't afford all of but um, you know, in terms of, of feeling like you're taking part in, you know, because if you're interested in NFT's, and you're doing the fractional thing, you're not, you're not getting an NFT you're just not, you're getting literally fungible tokens that represent a piece of a non fungible token. And that's just not quite the same. But you know, ultimately, if you are going, Hey, I want a financial interest in this blue chip and ft that I cannot afford, then yet, it's definitely a good route to go.

Roy: 17:29

I just actually looked up the dead devils sociery as, oh, wow, their website is loud. Okay, like my eardrums. I just looked up the dead devil society. It looks like it's an NFC project to have 5000 NFTs and holding one makes you part of the dead devil society DAO. And I'm assuming that they use some of the funds raised and from secondary market sales to buy assets. I would be Generally very cautious of buying into one of these projects, thinking you're getting real exposure to the assets in their vaults, because a lot of these pretend to be a Dao, but they aren't actually a Dao, the ownership of them is very centralized into the, I have no idea if that Devil Society is like this, I've never heard of the project before. But just be wary of these sorts of concepts. Because there there have been in the past projects, promising these types of things and and either being rug pools or not delivering or not having a mechanism for holders to actually recoup that investment, or any value of that investment.

Jamie: 18:33

Yeah, I would also just add that you know, they say such as the devil society, there is one zillion projects that have a plan or have actually done a thing where they take you know, some of the funds and use them to buy other NFTs from more established projects that you know, if you are looking for that, and you can sort of verify that it really is a DAO or whatever, like you know the concerns you're talking about there there are a ton of projects that do that

Roy: 19:04

Mutant Cats is the one that really comes to mind as being one of the bigger slash potentially better ones, but I still didn't love the whole idea of

Jamie: 19:13

like maybe three or four months ago it was like really, really hot like every project would buy their own ape and stuff like that. Yeah, was very popular.

Roy: 19:23

One more I guess, thing to touch on is you when the ape token comes out, that might be a really good way of getting exposure to the ape ecosystem. Presumably the

Jamie: 19:34

milk for cool cats. Yeah, basically.

Roy: 19:36

Yeah, it'll be obviously if you want to get in now and not wait till then that's not really an option. But if you can wait and then you can get a little bit of exposure that way. And the last thing I'll say is it it could be worth considering if you have some friends that you can pull some funds together with like friends that you just trust, and then potentially buy like a kennel people are

Jamie: 19:59

Does people have friends with them can't trust?

Roy: 20:03

to go question we're getting real philosophical now.

Jamie: 20:06

I would say, that's not a friend.

Roy: 20:08

Mm hmm. Yeah, depends. I mean, there's different levels of trust so you can trust our friends and trust to I want to borrow your tennis racquet and give it back fine. But to you know, go into a $10,000 $20,000 financial investment with I think it's different to trust into trust with your child. Is it a different tier and trust with a million dollars is another tier potentially... I like how I put a million dollars above child.

Jamie: 20:46

Oh boy. Sure, we got

Roy: 20:50

a question Jamie. Next question.

Jamie: 20:53

Ash Ashley Buda says, What are your current portfolio breakdowns in NFTS versus crypto? What would you ideally like it to be if it's not where you want it already?

Roy: 21:06

People have money non NFT?

Jamie: 21:08

Yeah, that's a classic joke with our friend Matt. Yeah. Um,

Roy: 21:15

do you do you know what yours is? Um, I need to look this up.

Jamie: 21:17

I don't mind just has been changing a lot as I've been taking out my crypto in order to pay taxes. But mostly keeping all of my NFT's. I'm going to just kind of randomly talk and say words while you calculate and yeah, and then when I'm doing stuff, saying years, I'll start calculating in my head. But I'm just kind of vamping. I'm filling time.

Roy: 21:42

You guys. See, you can stop. I have a rough idea. It's probably like 80 to 85% NFTs and the rest in crypto. Yeah, I'm bullish on NFTs. And I think that, especially at the moment, um, yeah, I just feel very bullish on NFT's. I think that they're a decent store of eth. And I'm probably most bullish on eth of any coin. So I don't feel bad about that sort of distribution. And I think enough of the NFT portfolio is in record blue chips, that worst case scenario, I'm still going to have a decent amount of exposure to eth,

Jamie: 22:30

I'd say Mine's probably pretty close to like 82.5ish percent NFTS and 17.5% crypto. And that's only if you're including I have some of the Etherium greyscale trust and the Bitcoin grayscale trust in my retirement account. But if you subtracted those, it will be even more heavily weighted towards NFT's. And I would say, ideally, I would like it to be more crypto. But you know, honestly, ultimately, it would just be so that I have that available to buy various entities that I want. And I would actually stay that way. But like there are there are things on my shopping list that I'm very interested in that I feel like if I had a bigger position in Cryptos, relative to NFT's, I would feel more comfortable getting. And there's also stuff like even within the NFT portfolio, like there's a lot of artblocks that I want again, but my my NFT portfolio and just net worth in total is like the percentage of it that is artblocks is just too high for me to justify right now with the amount of liquid crypto I have putting more of it into that. But I would like to there's more of it that I want.

Roy: 23:45

Yeah, I think another point to add on this note is that I basically have no idea or level of comfort if it comes to like trading crypto coins, like

Jamie: 24:00

I don't never been particularly good at it, I don't think

Roy: 24:03

yeah, there are projects that I think a good and find a hold long term. And like my allocation is split amongst those with eth being the largest, but when it comes to NFTs I've just feel so much more comfortable about the market about even on like I don't do it as much these days but short term trading and swing trading if I wanted to, I feel like I can I just have a better feel for it. I have a better feel for which projects are gonna do better long term, which projects I'm happy to take like a more speculative and I just, I'm more comfortable with more my portfolio in NFT's just

Jamie: 24:41

Yeah, I mean, we host an NFT podcast, not really, really crypto podcast. I

Roy: 24:48

think it's a random stuff podcast with some NFT chowder.

Jamie: 24:51

Yeah, we talk a lot about bench pressing

Roy: 24:55

the value of babies, right,

Jamie: 24:57

less than a million according to Roy

Roy: 25:01

Uh, I think I went from like $10,000, and then baby and then a million. Alright, um, next part of the question was, what would you ideally like it to be? If it's not where you want it already?

Jamie: 25:16

It would probably be more like 70/30 or something. But again, it's weird to say that because like, the reason I want that much crypto is literally to buy more NFT's. Do you know, like, when we have touched on the concept of burnout and stuff, I do sort of like the idea of being able to be more passive and still feel like I'm going to have a positive expectation on my crypto in NFT positions. But I also don't know what I would be doing with my time if I wasn't spending a ton of time every day paying attention to the NFT market.

Roy: 25:54

Yeah, I think, yeah, my ideal might be like 70/30, or even 60/40. Potentially. It, it does seem like it would be a good thing just to have to do some more defi farming. And I think there are good opportunities there for much lower risk, much steadier income type things. And and almost seems

Jamie: 26:17

like a way to diversify away from Etherium. Because you know, we were using the term NFT versus crypto been for us. When we say NFT we're speaking 98% Yeah, of Etherium NFTs. So we're also just kind of specifically exposed there.

Roy: 26:34

Yeah. All right, next question. A bird whale says, What are you looking for in an NFT project when you partner with or become an advisor? This is it seems like a question for you, Jamie. Also, what is the difference between a partnership and an advisory role to you?

Jamie: 26:54

I'm gonna play a couple moves in my chess game.

Roy: 26:57

Um, what am I looking for financially project when I partnered with a become an advisor, I think the first thing these days, like I honestly get 10 people a day asking me to be an advisor. It's it's impossible and ludicrous. And it's, I mean, it's nice that people sort of think that my advice is valuable, I guess, and to that extent, but I obviously can't work with almost any of them. I was learning

Jamie: 27:24

there that they are wrong in thinking. I mean, or it's just too conceited for you to say that I am that.

Roy: 27:34

bit of both. It's possible that I'm wrong. If I've been advising for like, I don't know, five, six months now. Maybe I didn't know an NFT was a year ago. Jamie. This is so ridiculous. This entire timeline is wack. History will tell I guess, time will tell perhaps whether my advice has been good, or

Jamie: 27:51

but it won't. Because we would need I mean, I'm such alternative eyeliner. No. Yeah. Yeah. You need another timeline. Where do you didn't do this? This? Yeah. Because people seem to fail, in spite of you.

Roy: 28:02

People seem to be happy with the advice that I give them. So that's something and people seem willing to pay for it. So that's another thing. Um, I was I what I look for, I look for like projects that are different. It's it's rare. These are rare these days, there are a lot of projects launching, but most projects that come to me some sort of derivative of the same rough idea 10k PFP project, a play and earn gaming project, a membership club type thing. This, that and the other. If someone's doing something that's really different. I'm like, immediately interested. nemus is a really good example. I recently did my user video on them. They're trying to save the rainforest. They have an enormous team. They have really ambitious vision. That's cool. That's different.

Jamie: 28:48

A specific one, like in South America, the Amazon.

Roy: 28:51

the Amazon. Yeah. Yeah. And even then, I'm not like, I don't think we're officially partnering. But yeah, it's something different. I like projects where the team, I just get along well, with the team that I know them, they have a really strong background in history and smart, seem like good people. Um, yeah, that's the gist of it. And then I guess for partnerships, I also now look at it through the lens of can the partnership bring value to ZenAcademy, the 333 Club, my community in general. Because at the end of the day, most of what I do now is benefit that community, which in turn benefits me like I'm not without being selfish. I'm not it's not entirely altruistic or anything. It obviously benefits me too. But I think if the community benefits, that's great. That's like Win Win Win Win situations where like, if I can get if I can help a project out, and they can help my community out, which helps me out, it's like, that's great, and the wider community, so whether it's like A bunch of spots to like the the presale access the mintlist for like a really high project that is valuable, whether it's free NFT's to the community, whether it's a discount access, just some sort of basically tangible value to bring back to my community is what I look for in partnerships now. But that's like, the beginning stages. That's like, if I'm partnering with someone or like,

Jamie: 30:26

Its not a partnership if you're not getting anything out of it, basically, right, that's just right. Right. They want you to do free advertising or so

Roy: 30:34

yeah, yeah. I mean, that's basically the premise of most partnerships. It's been like advertising and exposure in exchange for mintlist spots or free NFTs. It's like very quid pro quo. But I want the partnerships to be with teams and projects that I'm really happy to Alliance ZenAcademy with, for the the many, many years and we're like we're open to and we are have been continuing discussions to figure out ways that we can work together and our communities can sort of continue to flourish alongside one another, and there'll be future opportunities where we can help each other out. Alright, that's enough. Jamie, what do you look for?

Jamie: 31:10

Oh, so funny. Okay, our next question comes from at woody_Yoda. They said, I have noticed the mid prices for new projects are often 1.5 to two ether, and are selling out in seconds. Is it a good idea to invest so much, considering the mints of Bored Ape Yatch Club, cool cats, etc were under point one eth. What is a reasonable mint price these days? That's an that's an interesting question to me. Because I have so consistently balked at mint prices that are higher, except basically, for ArtBlocks curated projects that I just really particularly love. Other than that, I basically never, ever mean anything that costs I think, like, you know, honestly, maybe that Adidas thing that was like point two or whatever is like the most, which is pretty different. But I do think, like, also, I get what they're saying about how Bored Apes and coolcats, for instance, to super, super successful projects minted at a much cheaper price. I think at this point in time, though, there is somewhat of a bigger expectation from people on what a project is going to do. And so in theory, they would need more money than the Bored Apes Yatch Club needed to do what they were kind of, you know, promising or hoping to do initially. So I can understand why mint prices are going up. Also, the fact that they can just make sort of sense, right? It's sort of a supply and demand thing. If projects were consistently always minting out.1 eth Why are the next round of projects not going to charge more for that? At some point? Yeah,

Roy: 33:03

I think I agree with most of that. I'm I guess I don't think that most projects are minting at 1.5 to two eth. I'm like I've been struggling to think of like really any, recently seem

Jamie: 33:18

a little bit like a false premise. But But there definitely are some that are for more.

Roy: 33:25

I know I'm like I run the one eth range there's definitely quite a lot.

Jamie: 33:29

Yeah, like those that that one kind of maybe douchey group of youtubers that just did one recently .75 and apologies if you've officially partnered with that

Roy: 33:39

I have no idea. Okay, say like

Jamie: 33:41

send it or something that's like there.

Roy: 33:42

Oh, yeah. Another send or meta cards. Sam meta card. And

Jamie: 33:47

By the way, apologies, because I literally don't know anything about them. But yeah, they seem to be like they were on Gary's podcasts claiming they didn't know what NFT's were. And then two days later, raising millions and then there was like an exploit in the contract or some Yeah. They didn't seem cool to me.

Roy: 34:05

Yeah. Yeah, there's that there was Azuki, which means another one, which now has a floor...

Jamie: 34:11

i wish i had some of them. They look nice. They do look nice.

Roy: 34:15

I have two! I regret not having more.

Jamie: 34:19

Or either of them cool or just kind of Floorie

Roy: 34:21

near Floorie. But they still look really cool. Yeah,

Jamie: 34:25

it's it's great art. Yeah. Ah, yeah.

Roy: 34:28

I mean, I think it's it's a supply and demand thing, like people are willing to pay high prices and clearly, in many instances, the market values them higher than 1 eth or 1.5 eth. Those are open seven/five eth.

Jamie: 34:41

if you believe in the team, and you have the money to mint out whatever the prices in some aspects, you would almost want them to raise more capital, if you believe they're going to be using it in a way that you know, gives you an interesting experience. or, or, you know, profitable investment if you're coming at it from that angle.

Roy: 35:04

Yeah, that's an excellent point, actually. A, and just had a really had a point, and it's just fell out of my head. Um, oh, yeah, um, what is a reasonable mid price these days? Again, it varies so much project to project, there's still a ton of projects, minting at .05 .08.15. I think it's sort of the exceptions that are very that are selling out higher. And I think the fact that we have now seen a lot more NFT projects with sustainable floors, and like the five to 15 eth range, it's sort of justifiable for projects to mint one, because it's not that ludicrous for the fear, like the market value at it's a 17 eth or 16 eth. Whereas in the past, there was like, Bored Apes at 15, coolcats at six, and then everything else was two to three. So minting out something at 1 eth or whatever. Exactly, yeah. But now you have azuki at eight, you have hape prime at seven, you have world of women at nine or 10 coolcats at 15. CloneX Yeah, yeah. A dead Fellows is getting up there.

Jamie: 36:17

Gutter cat gang is six or seven.

Roy: 36:22

There's, you know, a bunch now within that range.

Jamie: 36:25

So Phanta bears crash?

Roy: 36:27

Yeah, the down at twoish now. Which, yeah, I kind of regret not selling it seven, but they sent it to me for free and always feel weird about selling those. So, um, anyway, maybe that's it for this. I just noticed that just like, like they've been four for ages. Veefriends are at 12.

Jamie: 36:47

Anyway, would you answer that? Thanks. So

Roy: 36:53

yeah, they haven't that part of the question. Is it a good idea to invest so much? Considering the Bored Ape Yatch Club? CoolCats are under 0.1. It's really project to project.

Jamie: 37:03

Also, we do not give investment advice. We do not. We are not capable. Not we're literally not capable of doing

Roy: 37:08

that. And we are not we do not. We will move on. Jamie. Next question.

Jamie: 37:14

@Digital McGeachie says Who is your favorite poker player to watch? And why is it Daniel Negreanu?

Roy: 37:21

Key Oh, Jamie was your favorite player to watch on the ground?

Jamie: 37:24

A bit of a leading question. You know, I mean, I'm going to answer fairly seriously here. But when I first was getting into poker and watching it on TV, just sort of purely as a fan. Gus Hansen was the first one well, yeah, me. He was so fucking cool. Yeah, what he's doing, but maybe a year ish into it. I transitioned and, and Daniel Negranu did actually become my favorite. I would say nowadays, though, it's probably more the, like Phil Ivey would would probably be my number one, I still think Gus is super cool. And I like that he plays different from everybody. But I think the game has largely passed him by whereas somebody like Ivey has really kept near the top of the game.

Roy: 38:12

Yeah, Ivey is just my default go to I've just always loved

Jamie: 38:18

You never really played live enough to have ever played with him?

Roy: 38:21

Hmm. No, I did play with him once. Or at least at least once. In like there's a five or 10k PLO, yeah. And I had one pot against him where I just felt my soul was utterly exposed. I just had, I was just like, I had no idea where I stood in the hand, and I was like, I guess, maybe even a bit starstruck and just like, panicked. And just Yeah,

Jamie: 38:48

I remember playing a study hand with them, where I it was in the World Series also, where I basically just, you know, I had a good hand on Third Street, and was just kind of the leader in the hand, and nothing was happening on Fourth Street in February, I was catching dogshit and just pretending and then I hit the street. He stared at me, he stared at me. And it's like, you know, he was the ultimate live poker pro, like ultimate respect from all of us. And I was just sort of an online player that sort of trying to do this transition thing. And he folded and it was like, so validating. I'm fine, like nothing. Phil Ivey stared me in the face, and he didn't realize that I had nothing, so I'm fine. And

Roy: 39:32

good. Yeah, that's awesome. Um, you know it

Jamie: 39:37

actually, I'm gonna say another one. Um, what I think is a brand Kenny bring Kenny is I don't know how much he's actually lying. But he's like a very, very top of the heap tournament player and claims that he doesn't use any of these solvers that everybody. I'm very skeptical of that but it does seem like he is not directly Connect, you know, like, there's like a couple different big cliques of super successful tournament players that are just talking strategy with each other all the time. And he does not seem to be a part of any of them for sure. And then he plays in huge tournaments with all of these people and does great and so like big fucking respect there.

Roy: 40:19

Yeah, no, that's really cool.

Jamie: 40:21

The best players are so good now it's it's sorry, good. Yeah,

Roy: 40:26

we would get destroyed. We would we will. Yeah. Our next question is from Rodolfo Pozo a what is the best tip...

Jamie: 40:35

Roy is not wearing pants

Roy: 40:41

I was. So for the listeners, between the previous question and this. I took a break because I had to take my dog Cooper for a walk. Ah, I had to take Cooper out because she was, you know, crying out, man. I felt like she needed to get outside. So I did that. I lay it up, you know, I put on you got rugged up as I got rocked up. I put on jeans and a hoodie and another jacket because it's freaking cold here. One outside, came back, and then took it off. And then yeah, I just, I'm wearing thermals. So it's not like I'm pantless. But I took my pants off my jeans off before. And Jamie felt the need to share it with everyone. Ah, actually on my walk, I was listening to Episode 27 to Two Bored Apes, which is it's always weird to listen to your input. It feels weird to listen to your podcast, but I enjoy it. So back to the question. RudolfoPoserA says, What is the best tip to keep up to date with the new projects? Apart from our beautiful Zen Academy? What is the best way to give value to a NFT related community? Thank you so much. The best way to keep up to date? Um, honestly, I think is ZenAcademy and other discord servers. What?

Jamie: 42:07

just It's, I mean, I don't specifically disagree with you. But it's obviously just such a bias. You know, you can't help it. But it's fun, right? Yeah, well,

Roy: 42:18

yeah, hm, no, I mean, like, it's so tough. There's like,

Jamie: 42:23

though they do have it actually in the question to say apart? Yeah.

Roy: 42:27

I think like, there's like calendar websites, which I don't think a great upcoming drop website. I don't think a great Twitter is one way to like, find out about new products.

Jamie: 42:36

Ignore every project that gets advertised on Instagram, those? Oh, yeah, they're all nonsense. I don't know, pretty much. It's, it's hard to know what people are taking in, you know what I mean? So like, theoretically, this person could be actually following those as just a another source of, you know, information about upcoming projects. So I would, I would probably, say, you want to be more on Twitter and discord than anything else. And you need to, I think narrow down your focus, because there's just there's too many new projects to follow all of them. So, you know, if you're into gaming, or if you're into art, or if you're into profile pictures, or if you're into, you know, communities slash utility things, you got to kind of start start off by just limiting the number of new projects that you even try to keep up to date with. That would be my first word of advice.

Roy: 43:37

Yeah, I'd agree with that. Um, what was the next part of the question? What is the best way to give value to an NFT related community? Um, that's an interesting question. Uh, I guess. I would want to ask more questions, as in terms of why do you want to give value? What form of value do want to give? And what are these NFT communities? If you are, I'm gonna, I mean, default back to Zen Academy, just because they mentioned it in the question, and it is an NFT related community. Um, to me, I think the best way of giving value for the average participant is just to participate, you know, take part in the conversation, share your thoughts on like, the projects you like or dislike, or like, if someone's talking about a project, chime in and give your opinion, because then that really helps the community decide, you know, what, just getting alternate points of view on various topics in the space is very helpful. For other communities, I guess, do the same thing. partake in just discussion in there. You can think perhaps, if you have any sort of specialized skills, if you're good at video editing or creating graphics, you could maybe create emojis or stickers for the server. You could offer to be a mod or the like that, that's those are ways to give value to an NFT related community. And I think just generally being an advocate, like if it's a community that you like, are invested in appreciate and want to succeed. Honestly, probably the best thing you can do is just being vocal about your support on Twitter on Discord and doesn't mean like shilling it all the time, but like, mentioning it here and there, when people ask, What's your favorite project? Mention it when your project does something really great, you know, retweet it and share it and just being a general advocate for it.Any thoughts?

Jamie: 45:44

Those are good thoughts.

Roy: 45:45

Thank you, Jamie. Did you Did you do something? While I was out taking group rule?

Jamie: 45:52

I did not I did not know. I just I was kind of waiting for you to directly address me if I wanted to, you know, give my thoughts on it. But you didn't. So then there was just an awkward silence.

Roy: 46:05

I thought I did.

Jamie: 46:06

You Well, after I waited for you to, to do it, anyway. Okay. Um, yeah, I mean, this, this reminds me because this podcast is called Two Bored Apes, as you know, but, you know, the great thing about what we're doing is that it's, it's decentralized, and you can contribute even without being a part of the official team for basically all of these projects. So, you know, you kind of just do what what you can do, you don't I mean, I think if you are any, like, you're not going to do cool derivative art of it, if you're not into art, but you are, you know, very capable of being a great discord mod, you can do that. Like, you have to look at what does the project need? And what are your strengths, and, and kind of possibly go from there. I would also say, um, constructive criticism is something that we need a lot more of, in this space probably, so be willing to, like a project but still point out to other people in it and to the actual, like, devs and stuff running it. Hey, like, what about this or why this that sort of thing, rather than just being you know, as some people would say, toxically positive? I think good. Constructive criticism is something that, you know, we can all probably do to some extent to help out projects.

Roy: 47:42

Yeah, no, I agree with all that.

Jamie: 47:46

Next question. Our next question comes from dapper J. Man. Dapper J. Man says how do your significant others respond to your NFT obsessions? Do they ask questions, show any interest or get agitated? And then, because we copy and paste we have the description of an emoji at theend?

Roy: 48:06

smiling face, mouth and cold sweat? That's an interesting description.

Jamie: 48:10

I don't know what cold sweat is? Yeah. Um, alright.

Roy: 48:14

Do they ask questions showing interest to get agitated? Yes,

Jamie: 48:17

we have two very different answers here. By the way,

Roy: 48:20

my answer is yes. Rachel shows interest. She's she's very much interested in the NFT she owns a bunch of them. She does she loves boss beauties. She literally like legitimately got upset when she kept buying them at .1 .2 and bidding on them. And then they ran up to like, one 1.5 eth and instead of being happy investment, 10x She's like, sad that you can't get more at a cheap price. Um, yeah, it's very much into the NFT space has an interest. But I'm sure gets agitated at how much it consumes me and takes my attention. And I could definitely be doing a better job at being a better partner. Um,

Jamie: 49:02

yeah, Kayla is not at all interested in them. It feels like you know, we're still in the portion of NFT's were to a large extent, people are sort of right about the idea that, you know, they're just profile pictures and and this stuff that they aren't truly, you know, it just it seems like it's like art is another big category of it. And she's not particularly interested in in the visual arts, either. So until they're much more dynamic and doing a lot of other stuff, it's just it's not something that's that's particularly interesting to her. So, it's just, it's it's sort of a separate thing, and she's happy that I'm doing well with it and having fun and stuff like that, but It's not, it's not a thing that she finds interesting. You know, and I've been thinking about the concept of people who, you know, like her are aware of the space but are not interested in it. And the difference between maybe how much they think they're not interested in them ever, versus how much possibly they will be. And I've been thinking about the concept of, of sort of analogizing them basically to like apps, to where it's, it's almost the equivalent of going well, like, I'm not into apps on my phone or whatever. And, you know, very, very early on that might have sounded reasonable, because there wasn't anything in the, like three apps that existed that you could do. But, you know, as we move forward, they will just be so a part of our lives and be able to do and represent so much that. You know, it'll just be kind of a part of life. It. Like I said, in the same way, it's just apps are.

Roy: 51:06

I have no apps. Joe Wagner, yeah. Ah, yeah, that makes a ton of sense. And, yeah, two very different partners with different responses, I think.

Jamie: 51:19

Yeah. Should does not get agitated, unless I'm like, trying to force a conversation about her that she doesn't want to have. But I'm much too aware to try and do that. So it's fine. Yeah.

Roy: 51:32

All right. Um, etherRetro says, The Rise of Metaverse slash NFT fashion is 2022 the year?

Jamie: 51:44

I'll be honest, I think the answer is no, I think we're gonna need probably more of an upgrade in the hardware as far as AR and VR type stuff. Before that kind of thing really takes off, I think, probably within the community that's already into NFTS, there will be more speculative action on that kind of thing this year, much in the same way that there was for, let's say, gaming stuff last year, but in terms of it actually coming to fruition. I think it will be further out in the future, much in the same way that, you know, a lot of the gaming and virtual land assets that were so popular last year to speculate on are not actually things that people are using and playing very much at all yet. I think, I think the actual use case adoption of that kind of thing. Is, is more of a 2023, 2024 type thing.

Roy: 52:48

Yeah, that I have pretty much the same thoughts is I don't think 2022 is year I think 2024 is probably more likely, but maybe 2023, just with how crazy fast this space moves. That said, we are seeing more Metaverse and NFT fashion projects pop up. And I think that's not gonna mean later in the

Jamie: 53:11

year, sir. Here. Yeah. And also, like, I think there is going to be possibly, I mean, like, I'm thinking specifically of two events last year where, when we were having the Bored Apes at Christie's and everybody put on the suit suits on Christie's that was the whole thing. And then when Adidas came in, everybody was sort of putting on the tracksuits. For that, so I do see, like, it's it is happening, you know, but just in a small, two dimensional profile picture way, it's happening a little bit to sort of represent these sort of big events. But in terms of the way etherretros, like thinking and hoping of it, I do feel that that's a little bit further out than this year.

Roy: 53:59

Yeah. I think that a lot of the NFT fashion projects that are around now, that will still be around in two years are going to do spectacularly well, well, in terms of like, value appreciation. But I think it might be like a while until we see that sort of come to fruition.

Jamie: 54:24

It did, it didn't seem to be sort of a big part of the vision. From Mark Zuckerberg big meta video that they released whenever that was how many months ago at this point, I watched that whole thing. And definitely the idea of sort of dressing up these VR avatars in like NFT clothing and stuff was was something that he mentioned multiple times and the other speakers that as well. Excuse me, so I do see. In the future, it seems like it's going to sort of have To be a pretty relevant thing, but yeah, a little further

Roy: 55:03

out. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's fashion industries enormous. And the metaverse is going to be enormous. And it's gonna, yeah, people are going to want to dress in the metaverse in different types of ways. So I wonder too,

Jamie: 55:17

though, how much like, you know, I don't even know specifically what you you are saying, when you say Metaverse, if you're if you're talking specifically about sort of the VR, metaversus that we use it or the more general term, but like, I do think a potential big case for a lot of NFT's is going to be augmented reality. So we were actually talking about this the other day. Um, I think we were at least the The Veve NFTS wherein you basically have like, like, what would be statues or figures from these comic book franchises that are you know, they have ones in real life that exist, I'm, I have a Batman on my desk right now. But I can definitely see a future that's not too far out where we are wearing augmented reality glasses, in our everyday lives in a pretty regular way. And people can accessorize fashion wise with an NFT in real life. And it'll just be basically layered on via the augmented reality glasses. You know, in a similar way, I think we will also be able to basically hang artblocks on the wall of our abodes merely by having it switched on on our glasses. And you won't actually need to have these things physical, because we will be able to just have them appear to be there through technology.

Roy: 56:58

Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be so cool. I think and yeah, it's

Jamie: 57:02

which, sorry, is just different from the way a lot of people are using the word metaverse. Now, because it's so strictly talking about virtual reality worms, you know, like sandbox and decentraland. Yeah.

Roy: 57:20

That was that was the last question.

Jamie: 57:22

That was the last question. This has been episode 28. Should you say something nice about somebody? Or? Oh, we can say then we can say funny. Oh, we need a POAP word, too.

Roy: 57:35

Oh, we're doing pull ups again. It was it was a disaster.

Jamie: 57:38

Or not? No. Okay. We're not doing it this episode, then? Well,

Roy: 57:40

I don't know. Let me let me just Vamp for a second, I will check the chat.

Jamie: 57:44

Okay. If if we are going to do a POAP word, it will be count C O U N T. But Roy right now is checking a group chat to see if it is actually something we'll be doing on this episode. And I'm sort of running out of things to talk about.

Roy: 58:04

So Vito actually had a blog post right at the end about this, it seems like the best way is gonna be really say a secret word. But there will also be a Google form that you have to fill out. So you'll have to fill it out with your wallet address, and the secret word we say and then we'll bulk mint, the POAPs later. Just because sending out like, over 1000, I guess is just not a thing that you can do easily from their website.

Jamie: 58:32

I think what was happening was it would basically give you like 1000 links or whatever, and some people would would click it but not actually claim it. Yeah. And so that would reduce the count. And we ended up not getting to giveaway as many POAPs as people wanted because other people, you know, only did half of the process or something. So so we're gonna be doing it in a slightly different way.

Roy: 58:55

Okay, so now the secret word.

Jamie: 58:58

I already said the secret word while you were reading that.

Roy: 59:01

Oh, did you really?

Jamie: 59:02

Yeah. And you don't even know what it is

Roy: 59:04

Oh boy. Yeah, I have no idea what

Jamie: 59:07

the listeners do and that's all it matters. All right. Do I send it what are you waiting? How could they not?

Roy: 59:13

Well, maybe the day you know. In real them it will be ah, so you've got the secret word. We will put a link to a Google form in the show notes.

Jamie: 59:26

Okay, I was gonna ask you to guess it but that's ridiculous but I did think the other day have a fun way to come up with no it's not check a trip while you know. Alright enough.

Roy: 59:38

History

Jamie: 59:40

I'm gonna I'm gonna wait here

Roy: 59:41

English. Math. You

Jamie: 59:46

do you know the game? What am I oh my god. Oh, my shot.

Roy: 59:50

Do I know the game? What?

Jamie: 59:51

What am I thinking? Ah, it would be a fun way for us to come up with the word in the future.

Roy: 59:59

I Feel like I would know it, but I probably don't. So here,

Jamie: 1:00:02

here's how it works basically is you think of a word and I think of a word. Or it can be like a very short two word thing or whatever, like United States of America or whatever would be valid anyway. And then we go 321. And then we both say Arts at the same time, right? And so let's say you picked Tiger and I picked United States of America, then we would both think for, you know, five seconds, you don't want to spend too long. We have to come up with the word that is in between them. Yeah. And then we go three to one, and then you go, you know, Tiger Woods or something. Although that would be probably cheating. Because you already use the word Tiger. And then you keep going until you hit on the exact same word.

Roy: 1:00:46

That sounds fun. Let's do that. It

Jamie: 1:00:48

is fun. Well, we'll do it next episode there. Now this one, let's have

Roy: 1:00:52

to see what was the secret word will be the one that you said. Plus this one. So we're really making

Jamie: 1:00:56

a listen as listen. So it's gonna be a two word secret word. Sure. Okay, I'm down. All right. All right. I have my first word, do you? Yeah. All right. 321. Salt coffee. Okay, you gotta say quicker than that. Okay, it's fine. That's actually we're already pretty close. I know. I've got mine ready. Oh, shit. I'm struggling here. Fuck

Roy: 1:01:26

it's such an obvious answer. You know, notice in the middle of coffee, and salt. Oh, I'm disappointed in you, Jamie.

Jamie: 1:01:38

I literally have no idea what you're saying. Oh, I just figured out okay. No one should ever

Roy: 1:01:48

buy we're getting close. Sugar,

Jamie: 1:01:49

sugar and pepper. Okay.

Roy: 1:01:54

Okay, I got it. I got her

Jamie: 1:01:55

and pepper. Three to one. Spice enemas. Okay, all right. Ready? 321 not caught him. God Goddamnit I've never seen people get this close. And now we're just circling each other. Right? Yes. And you saw cardamom? Yeah. This is bad. Okay, ready? Sure. But you're, you're not gonna say the same thing that I'm coming up with. Sorry to one fan All right. 3321 started okay, we know we can do this. Um, I'm trying to actually like really do a good job of it though. 321 oregano,

Roy: 1:02:53

I've got to say in coriander. From is okay. I was thinking. Okay, I see. Now we're good. Um, what did I say? Oregano,

Jamie: 1:03:04

oregano, and coriander. Okay, yeah. 321 So Oh 3321 Firstly, no,

Roy: 1:03:18

I did coriander and I'm calling it

Jamie: 1:03:27

we're like, we're too close to where now? We're both just saying herbs and spices over and over again. going in a circle.

Roy: 1:03:36

Herbs was an earnest Jamie.

Jamie: 1:03:39

No, when we started with spices didn't know I was saying herb. No, it's not. Yeah, I say. Um, yeah, let's just go with the one that they've already heard. And we'll try and get better at playing this game for next time. Oh, that we actually did in a in a weird way very well and getting so close

Roy: 1:03:58

to meeting Oh, so close, but so far.

Jamie: 1:04:00

Well, hold on a second. I started off with salt. You started off with coffee. You said there's an obvious one it seemed like that would be

Roy: 1:04:07

it's nice. And it's like a doc salt.

Jamie: 1:04:12

But shouldn't your that's a terrible because sugar looks identical to salt and sugar goes and coffee. It's a way better. Next one than pepper.

Roy: 1:04:20

Sugar isn't some people's coffee does not go on my coffee. So pepper does.

Jamie: 1:04:26

Anyone's coffee? Yes. Sugar was the

Roy: 1:04:30

pepper in my coffee right now.

Jamie: 1:04:32

Let's let's add sugar to them. Okay, so we'll do the word I said earlier. And sugar. Two words. What?

Roy: 1:04:41

I feel like that's cheating to sugar.

Jamie: 1:04:45

Let's start all over again. And to the game. What am I thinking? Okay. I'm gonna pick a word here. Okay, I got one. You ready? Yep. 321 Boom, two. Would you say that and painting Buddha painting? Okay, very interesting. Huh? Okay, I'm ready. Alright. 321 Hey Lucy. Okay graphy Okay, all right. Um, I wish I knew the religious texts of Hinduism, but I do not. Okay, ready? Sure. 321 in Asia, would you say? Ink? Oh, okay, Asia can age. You know?

Roy: 1:05:42

He can be calligraphy.

Jamie: 1:05:45

Yeah. I got one that I think we can both get here. Oh, I don't Yeah, except I literally can't think of the name of Asia in ink though. That's what we're sticking to listening to us. Yes. Some are

Roy: 1:06:03

some ah, yeah.

Jamie: 1:06:04

We've lost by the way. I I tried. I tried to stop this like three times. And you said no.

Roy: 1:06:11

Yeah. I mean,

Jamie: 1:06:13

it's far still going. Okay. Yeah. Asia in Asia. And ink. Right. Sure. Three to one trends or circle. Okay, that's what I was thinking of, but I couldn't think of it.

Roy: 1:06:32

You said tree treaty. Treaty treat. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You write a treaty with Lincoln. So treaty and Enzo.

Jamie: 1:06:42

Hmm. Okay, I go on,

Roy: 1:06:45

I think. Yeah, yeah. I don't know how you do.

Jamie: 1:06:51

321 P Japan. Oh, okay. Okay, please. and Japan, these and Japan. Boy Buddha would be three to one. Meditations on size and meditation. I got it. fism and I do not have it.

Roy: 1:07:21

Take your time. It's obvious again. Just like pepper. Yeah,

Jamie: 1:07:24

copper. Wire Paul. Apologies to the listeners who are not enjoying this.

Roy: 1:07:32

I'm having a blast. This is a fun podcast.

Jamie: 1:07:36

Huh? What are the two words remind me here?

Roy: 1:07:39

A meditation and passive Jamie

Jamie: 1:07:48

Okay, 321 Dalai Lama. Oh, wow. We are fucking right there. Okay, okay, I got one I got one. I'm ready. Okay. 321 Tibet robes. Okay, okay, bad and robes fat. And robes. fuck dude, I can't believe this is that now? i You still listen to another I still listen to this podcast, but they don't play this game anymore. But it doesn't feel like they ever took this long. Mm hmm. But we're we keep getting so close. Okay, we just bad All right. Very possible. No, I don't know. What is it robes and robe and Tibet, Tibet. And you can't just say one that we've already said.

Roy: 1:08:42

No. Well, I don't know the rules. But I'm presuming you can't

Jamie: 1:08:49

321 Meditate flags.

Roy: 1:08:53

Freeze head meditation, Jamie.

Jamie: 1:08:56

I didn't say it and I barely saw you say meditation and flags. And meditation. And flag as this I hate Yes.

Roy: 1:09:08

Alright, let's let's wrap it up.

Jamie: 1:09:10

Okay. Okay, so what is the word? Just count by the word. Count.

Roy: 1:09:17

That's it. All right. But we we should pull up if you made it this far.

Jamie: 1:09:22

Yeah, you definitely do. Although they could have earned it got it seven minutes ago when I initially told them

Roy: 1:09:29

Oh, you really add something to eat though. To reward the people that made it

Jamie: 1:09:33

sugar. Count sugar. Sure. Sounds like

Roy: 1:09:39

Conde Dracula, but

Jamie: 1:09:41

boy, I feel bad but but I literally told people that the word was count earlier. Although maybe fuck them if they put it in and stop listening at that point, right. They didn't actually attend the podcast in its entirety. So they don't deserve it. Yeah, sure. Fuck them. Okay, countsugar will be the word. If you're not allowed to do two words it's going to be both of them smushed together but it will try to do count space sugar first. Okay, thanks for listening bye. Twitter q&a

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Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh Two Bored Apes, talking NFT's, De-fi, and some random stuff! uh uh uh uh